Open letter to Frontier

[dxm55]

It is emotive, and you will continue to get insults until Zac makes a much clearer statement on FDev's policy on organised fifth column style griefers (who they have promoted) and what tools they are developing for faction admins. Until then (i for one) am HOPPING mad and i am having to contain my thoughts. MANY might not have the self discipline to contain their feelings on this subject. The sooner the community management gets out in frontof this with a plan the better.

Of course if there was a more sophisticated crime and punishment system in the game then we could all do away with solo and groups and just play in open.

Oh pls, get over it. It happened, and it's been dealt with by the group admin.

Though I do agree with you. Group admins need better tools to deal with their members (and to remove/block offending ones)
And crime and punishment definitely needs an update.

 

[Aleksej]

should FD not know what each of the big player groups ethos is ???? ,looks like SDC has a licence to do anything with no repercussions

What do you mean by repercussions? They were thrown out of the group as far as I know. How could one know in advance what is going to happen?

 

[Kristov]

i think you are missing the point on what mobius is about. lone wolfing it in mobius is EXACTLY one of the reasons for mobius. There is nothing to say a player does not want to fly in a wing but does not still want to see other players in their game.

that being said, 1 tool which may be useful for mobius would be an auto leave the group if you have not logged into it in say 1 month. if a player needs to re sign up and has not been banned they could. i imagine over all that would be less of a hassle for the big man if it kept the list manageable.

For me mobius is not really about PvP or not PVP (though i have no interest in it myself, i am prepared to tolerate it if the game supported it properly) but for me mobius is currently the closest to what DB envisioned for the game, a MP game where the vast majority of pilots federation members (hollow boxes) do not work against each other. its simply more believable to me than open right now

I thought the point of Mobius was group play vs the environment, as that's what it's promoted as on Inara and was originally here on the forums. Running around solo all the time in a group for group play seems rather backwards to me, guess that's just me? I mean, it's not like you are going to be running across masses of players while running around solo in Mobius, as the odds of seeing another player are even less than in Open, really not much better than they are of seeing another player in Solo actually. Social hermit isn't a thing, just saying...

And 1 tool Mobius could make use of it to not accept every single applicant just because. 20,000 people, what the hell? WHY? I'll say bragging rights and to try and push FD around using numbers, but that's based purely on the evidence to date, which is members of Mobius bragging about how large it is and demanding FD cater to them due to that. This ain't the first time that's been done after all, PvE vs PvP threads, Open vs Solo threads, and so on, it ain't exactly a pretty picture of a group of players who just want to play together against the NPCs and not be bothered by PvP without consent, nope, seems more like a group that's trying to extort FD to me. Whether Mobius is party to that or not, no clue, but it IS his group, it IS his name....

 

[bootsam]

What do you mean by repercussions? They were thrown out of the group as far as I know. How could one know in advance what is going to happen?

Oooh naughty children. Go sit on the naughty step. Welcome to Elite EVE.

 

[TMG xXwarr1orXx]

Please anyone who see this my gamer tag is the same i want to play CQC on Xbox one but the matchmaking is so bad I have to matchmaker myself so I'll be on all night lets do it

 

[Siobhan]

ZacAntonaci's official response on reddit.

How can there possibly be an official response on reddit? Reddit is nothing to do with E, but rather a third party forum.

It's kind of like (to be topical), the NHS fight currently going on in the UK being addressed by the UK government in, for instance, the Melbourne Herald.

 

[Von Shadow]

Don't see why this is such a big problem .... many many MMO games (WoW/Star Wars) etc have 3 types of 'realms' ... PVP, PVE and RP-PVE
There's never been a massive outcry over those because they were there from day 1
Just don't see how similar cannot be achieved in ED ... i know it'll take effort but clearly we're reaching the limits of the private-group mechanism and the growth rate of Mobium (which is just 1 pve group) is testament to the desire

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

I mean, it's not like you are going to be running across masses of players while running around solo in Mobius, as the odds of seeing another player are even less than in Open, really not much better than they are of seeing another player in Solo actually. Social hermit isn't a thing, just saying...
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You clearly have not been in mobius. You are worng, I cant remember the last time I played that I DIDNT see other players, either at shinrata, the barnacle, the CG of the week, on rare trades run, ray gateway or generally around the imperial slave trade hotspots in imperial space. I even saw a few in deeper space exploring, which was cool chatting for a few mins.

sometime i am in a wing, sometimes i am lone wolf, but the difference is, when i see a hollow spot in mobius i am pleased, when i see one in open (not that i am in open that often) I am not. The stupid thing is, i am not concerned about them being a pirate. i welcome interaction with pirates in open. i am concerned about them being a nitwit, and that is something I should not be thinking about in something i do in my free time for pleasure.

 

[sqzbox1]

I'll say bragging rights and to try and push FD around using numbers, but that's based purely on the evidence to date, which is members of Mobius bragging about how large it is and demanding FD cater to them due to that.

Absolute rubbish! I'm not aware of any Mobius group members demanding anything from FD based on the group's size. The people in Mobius are, by nature, solo players who just want to be left alone to play their game. That sort of personality is not the type to go bragging or demanding anything. Your comments, Mr Kristov, border on slander. There will be a few renegades due to the size of the group but I doubt very much that the presence of this "demanding" that you speak of is reflected proportionately.

 

[Mr_Foxhound]

What do you mean by repercussions? They were thrown out of the group as far as I know. How could one know in advance what is going to happen?

"How could one know in advance what is going to happen?" well i guess when you know nothing about a group you cannot predict what they will do .......day one of the alien invasion or thargoids day SDC will be killing CMDRs ,its easy to predict what SDC will do on a CG to CG bases ,

i guess, for example me and a group were to continuousness kill ed during an educating ed when he was flying with the fuel rats, to be then given a community spot light ?

 

[CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost]

… How could one know in advance what is going to happen?

LOL. That's a good joke.

 

[Marra Morgan]

Mountains and molehills come to mind.

 

[Scoopy Doopy]

I thought the point of Mobius was group play vs the environment, as that's what it's promoted as on Inara and was originally here on the forums. Running around solo all the time in a group for group play seems rather backwards to me, guess that's just me? I mean, it's not like you are going to be running across masses of players while running around solo in Mobius, as the odds of seeing another player are even less than in Open, really not much better than they are of seeing another player in Solo actually. Social hermit isn't a thing, just saying...

And 1 tool Mobius could make use of it to not accept every single applicant just because. 20,000 people, what the hell? WHY? I'll say bragging rights and to try and push FD around using numbers, but that's based purely on the evidence to date, which is members of Mobius bragging about how large it is and demanding FD cater to them due to that. This ain't the first time that's been done after all, PvE vs PvP threads, Open vs Solo threads, and so on, it ain't exactly a pretty picture of a group of players who just want to play together against the NPCs and not be bothered by PvP without consent, nope, seems more like a group that's trying to extort FD to me. Whether Mobius is party to that or not, no clue, but it IS his group, it IS his name....

Actually, when I do play in Mobius, I don't notice much of a difference between the number of commanders I see as I did when I played in Open. You see commanders in Mobius at the CG's, Sol, the starter systems, the Lave routes and once in a while somewhere else. Pretty similar really

 

[Motherhood of Bran]

Mountains and molehills come to mind.

Innit.

And because I'm seeing some anti-mobius comments here - please don't tar them all with the same brush!

I sometimes play in Mobius, and I'm not demanding anything. It happened, they're banned, it's happened before, they were banned, it's gonna happen again at some point, they'll be banned etc.

I'd go even further and say the majority of Mobiites don't even know about this latest storm in a teacup - 20000 members don't all view these, or the Mobius forums.

Don't be writing all the Mobius players off, because a few of them seem to need some drama in their lives.


It's a game people - only some pixels got hurt, time to cool down.

 

[Sandmann]

Absolute rubbish! I'm not aware of any Mobius group members demanding anything from FD based on the group's size. The people in Mobius are, by nature, solo players who just want to be left alone to play their game. That sort of personality is not the type to go bragging or demanding anything. Your comments, Mr Kristov, border on slander. There will be a few renegades due to the size of the group but I doubt very much that the presence of this "demanding" that you speak of is reflected proportionately.

I was actually rather amused that he could believe that we would have purposely gathered all 20000 players and someone convinced them to join simply to act as some sort of pressure group without FD even noticing, and that the idea that there could simply be that many people who don't want to be there for someone else's amusement simply hasn't occurred to him. Talk about conspiracy theories, this is SERIOUS tinfoil hat territory.

It's also odd that people could still be trying to say that PvE-ers and mobius players don't represent a significant portion of the active player base. In another thread we have the lead designer talking about increased consequences TO FIX the PvE vs PvP problem, and admitting that what he's proposed "is not trivial". FD have the actual numbers that we don't... if there was no problem, or if the PvE groups were a minor part of the player base do you really thing they'd be looking at "non-trivial" changes to address what they (finally) admit is a problem? FD are only interested in seeing the game continue to grow - they don't have vested interests in supporting PvE -or- PvP particularly, they are only interested in supporting THE GAME - so at this point you couldn't get a clearer signal that this hasn't been heading the way they want it to go and they see a need for a change in direction.

 

[Whiterose]

Isnt Mobius a ribbon that turns in on itself?

 

[Lowievisser]

By the way, am I the only one expecting a huge ragestorm coming from Mobius when the new AI hits? I get the impression that the average Mobius player might be more succeptible to 'npc-griefing' than Open players, as players in Open have to be more alert in general. Right now the anger of Mobius players is at PvP cmdrs but thats only because the AI doesnt pose much of a threat. Once AI learns to boost properly and 'submit and boost' isn't a fix-all for every pve situation things might get ugly over there, and they may have to learn the basics every Open cmdr already has to know. Interesting question: once AI becomes (close to) as dangerous as human players, how many of the Mobius guys who do not ragequit will chose to stay in Mobius? After all, most of the 'griefer-anxiety' is greatly mitigated by some basic skills, and once you've learned them Open isnt nearly as scary as some make it out to be...

Oh this , very much this. cant w8 to read it!

And yes ppl , search online for tips and tricks , its impossible to die in open by players if you know the rules , its a learning curve but after that profit!

 

[Huros]

That suggests you may be labouring under the misapprehension that people who play in solo do so because they are afraid of PvP. I play exclusively in solo purely because I have absolutely no interest whatsoever in playing Elite multiplayer. Until ED, it had always been a single player game and I think ED should have been too. I play in solo because, although it's hugely disappointing as it's limited by multiplayer considerations, it's the closest approximation to the game I wanted and backed on day one. I'm one of the players who fell for the ol' bait and switch. It's unlikely we'll ever all be forced into open, but if that ever happens then I (and many others) will simply stop playing.

no i know, many want the solo/ofline experience. You are right i am being silly. I just know, we would see more in open (a more "realistic" environment) if there was a better repercussion to violent and murderous behaviour and in turn less bad behaviour in general

 

[{SAS}Stalker]

Can open worms everywhere.

A couple of things were apparent from the youtube video, the most glaringly obvious was how people with such expensive and end game ships have little or no idea about self preservation tactics. I get that entering a group that is PvE is lame, not against ED rules but lame but the video brings to the surface the massive disparity and imbalance between what people in open and group need to spend on their ships to survive.

One of the S.Dogs suggested this was in response to having their home system underminded by people in private / group which whilst is a topic in its own right does again highlight a black hole size problem with the current ED game. Its a personal opinion but I sort of agree that undermining a system (any system) in a mode where you simply CAN NOT be opposed is (again IMHO) griefing the people who maintain that system. The only way to describe the whole thing is "mess".

 

[Huita]

We need separate universe for solo/group players.