Open-Only in PP2.0?
- Thread starter August Lagrange
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That's perfect! I hope you have fun doing things that you like. Solo and PG are there for you.
But it's just not fair that you can influence the Open galaxy while not playing in the Open. It's just not. There ain't a single argument for that. You are spoiling the fun Open players could have. And let's agree: it would be much more better for Elite Dangerous to have a galaxy full of life with players going back and forth and doing things and having fun instead of a dead galaxy full of ghosts.
Fdev makes mistakes. We all do. They have a chance to make things right. To allow the majority of the players to have fun, to not deny them this, and to keep you guys Solo players happy too. Solo and PG modes aren't going to disappear. Nobody is asking for them to disappear. You can still play the way you want but now with more justice and allowing others to have fun too.
Yep it is
Its how the game was designed
You mean im spoiling the fun for gankers?
My Solo and PG galaxies are full of life, but devoid of gankers, pad blockers and hackers.
O7
Nope. Fdev designed this game to work the way it is and has not changed it up till now. Going forward is an unknown for now.
I have asked Fdev to do an in game poll if possible, so that only an active cmdr can vote. If possible let the cmdr's of the galaxy decide on pp2.0 open or not.
You have your personal view and your 1 vote, unless you own multiple cmdr accounts, like most people seem to. No Idea if Fdev can do a poll in game or not. But I hope they can. @Paul_Crowther . It would be most interesting to see the results of a poll on active cmdr's view on the topic. One, or both, or all sides may be shocked at the results.
And of course I agree with Darrack, all modes of this great game can and should affect the one live bgs, and therefore pp. So PG, and Solo counts just as much as Open for everything.
Just because your feelings are strong this subject does not mean your are on the majority side for this
In which case Power Play is not for you at all so it doesn't matter if it's Open Only.
Nope because Power Play isn't a PvP activity at the moment
Is this a Hotel thread in disguise?
O7
The flash topics years ago were a 50% open only, 25% weighted and 25% no change. OA did another poll and the majority wanted Open too.
It is not. You know it, I'm 100% sure. Sometimes I think you guys have more fun playing Elite: Forum than the game itself.
Who cares about it? The game is not written in stone. That's one of the things I learned in my first months as a software developer intern. You can learn it too. The design is wrong, persisting in something wrong is insanity. You are just hanging off the design argument because it's the only thing you can use to support your position. And it's such a bad argument!
The straw man argument again!
Life? What do you call life? It's empty!
You guys keep trying to make the gankers and pirates seem like the biggest problem in the world when games like Albion Online also have gankers (and it's a full loot game), and it's such a successful game! How do they solve the gankers problem? You can't gank in safe areas. EASY!
We aren't talking about PP now we are are talking about the proposed PP2.0. As described by FDev it is clearly a competitive game component.Nope because Power Play isn't a PvP activity at the moment
Is this a Hotel thread in disguise?
O7
Obsidian Ant poll was not in game of ED, so literally anyone on YT (the entire world) could have voted in his poll. But I would love to see if the majority of active Cmdr's in ED would want open only pp2.0 or weighted pp2.0, etc. There is really only one way to find out. The forums here have people that have not logged into the game in years, in my opinion they do not count and should not get a vote, so in game the vote should be. Not sure Fdev can do that however.
It still wont be a PvP activity, some parts will have PvP sure but it wont be Open only or PvP orientated, if it was they would have said it by now as that would require a much bigger overhaul than they have planed.
IMO of course.
O7
It is funny how I am suddenly cheating when I don't comply to someone's made up rules. This arrogance of "I am right and anyone who doesn't agree is a cheater, bot, doesn't understand the game or is doing 5C" of the open only crowd is the reason why this topic always generates such volatile anti reactions.
Get off your high horse. I can want to support my power while playing against NPCs if I want.
Get off your high horse. I can want to support my power while playing against NPCs if I want.
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Well it was the last actual poll (out of 7K people IIRC) and that the responses in the forum here was from a lot of non forumites who registered. Yes it was a long time ago, but each time FD have wanted a PP redo Open has always figured in it (including one proposal shown to the PP FD Discord and V2 now, where PvP was explicitly mentioned (as to its extent is up for debate)
Have a look yourself:
Ozric
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How pertinent that Rubbernuke should highlight that second thread. As although he is no longer on the project I think that Sandro's words are still very appropriate.
So for the few of you that can't seem to have discussions in an adult manner, knock it off.
So for the few of you that can't seem to have discussions in an adult manner, knock it off.
I had hoped someone would have clocked that bit
In that vein, the only thing that has ever stopped me playing (I went on a several-year-hiatus) was the attitude many players have of "I must win at all costs", demonising their opponents as if they're scum of the earth, forgetting that it's a game. This is the case for some on all sides, and playing in solo or PG 100% encourages that. When you don't see the person you're playing against, let alone talk to them, it creates a hostile atmosphere, one in which people will break the rules in order to stick it to the enemy. It dehumanises them. That's both on the part of those isolating themselves deliberately, and those who feel cheated. Yeah, that got to me, and this question will determine much of my personal engagement with PP2.0.
o7 fellow Commanders,
my thoughts on the subject,
based on the experiences in BGS, where groups, due to the game mechanics, can massively attack a system in "secret" (private group / solo) without the affected player faction being able to actively defend themselves against the opposing players, I would soberly be in favour of a Powerplay Open Only...
But, since there are quite a lot of people who are afraid of this, I would think of a solution that distinguishes real powerplayers from those who just want to try out the game mechanics.
I'm afraid that if the developers don't take this into consideration, many of the currently active power players will no longer play this with heart and soul, and that's not the point.
my thoughts on the subject,
based on the experiences in BGS, where groups, due to the game mechanics, can massively attack a system in "secret" (private group / solo) without the affected player faction being able to actively defend themselves against the opposing players, I would soberly be in favour of a Powerplay Open Only...
But, since there are quite a lot of people who are afraid of this, I would think of a solution that distinguishes real powerplayers from those who just want to try out the game mechanics.
- Status bars can only be changed by actions Open only
- Merits can be earned in all game modes
I'm afraid that if the developers don't take this into consideration, many of the currently active power players will no longer play this with heart and soul, and that's not the point.
Ozric
Volunteer Moderator
As someone who started in DAoC in 2002 and spent 4 1/2 years in EvE. No, it really doesn't.
And once again, suggesting that people who play in Solo/PG are cheaters, or more likely to cheat in a game. Is exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about.
What I said is that is that people that don't see one another will dehumanise one another and be more likely to break the rules. That applies to both parties when one isolates themselves.