Open-Only in PP2.0

[Rubbernuke]

just avoid any obvious hot spots.

For casual players perhaps. But for the established groups these will be the places they'll be going if they are continually attacked.

 

[Robert Maynard]

For casual players perhaps. But for the established groups these will be the places they'll be going if they are continually attacked.

Noting that they'll have to cover both Open modes to do so.

 

[Rubbernuke]

Noting that they'll have to cover both Open modes to do so.

Both Open modes?

 

[Robert Maynard]

Both Open modes?

Horizons Live and Odyssey.

 

[Rubbernuke]

Horizons Live and Odyssey.

Ah I see. Most people that are on Discords have EDO.

 

[Robert Maynard]

Ah I see. Most people that are on Discords have EDO.

That's as may be, however the galaxy is shared between them both - so those seeking others to shoot at need to look in both.

 

[Rubbernuke]

That's as may be, however the galaxy is shared between them both - so those seeking others to shoot at need to look in both.

Indeed, however people who choose Open in Powerplay do so for opportunistic reasons as they play, not to fanatically guard. Its why if NPCs fail they seek other players to be intelligent foes.

 

[Robert Maynard]

Indeed, however people who choose Open in Powerplay do so for opportunistic reasons as they play, not to fanatically guard. Its why if NPCs fail they seek other players to be intelligent foes.

.... and if any aspect of any game feature were to be PvP-gated to Open then there'd be reason enough for those not interested in PvP to carefully select which one they played in while continuing to engage in the feature.

 

[Rubbernuke]

.... and if any aspect of any game feature were to be PvP-gated to Open then there'd be reason enough for those not interested in PvP to carefully select which one they played in while continuing to engage in the feature.

Thats up to them if they want to and take the chance.

 

[Robert Maynard]

Thats up to them if they want to and take the chance.

Give someone a motive to avoid something (in ways that may frustrate some other players) that they don't enjoy and that's exactly what will happen.

 

[Rubbernuke]

Give someone a motive to avoid something (in ways that may frustrate some other players) that they don't enjoy and that's exactly what will happen.

Again, thats up to them. Its not frustrating to anyone because the response will be they are still taking that chance.

 

[The Own of Noon]

Yeah, open mode makes more sense for player actions that affect assets and game aspects besides the player's own assets.

 

[Darkfyre99]

Indeed, however people who choose Open in Powerplay do so for opportunistic reasons as they play, not to fanatically guard. Its why if NPCs fail they seek other players to be intelligent foes.

SOME PowerPlayers may choose to do that, but it’s by no means universal.

 

[Rubbernuke]

SOME PowerPlayers may choose to do that, but its by no means universal.

Certainly- I'm just talking generally from my time in groups and what they want.

 

[Darkfyre99]

Again, thats up to them. Its not frustrating to anyone because the response will be they are still taking that chance.

You say that because of Open’s self-selecting nature. I’ve played the game you’re imagining numerous times, and each time the result is either a hard coded anti-PvP switch, or shutting down the game due to lack of players. Elite Dangerous Open mode is an anomaly because Frontier decided to try something different. It was mostly to minimize the high costs of active GMing, but they pulled a Homer and stumbled upon a system which keeps the amount if unsportsmanlike behavior low.

 

[Darkfyre99]

Certainly- I'm just talking generally from my time in groups and what they want.

And I can say same. Players with similar playstyles tend to seek each other out.

 

[Rubbernuke]

You say that because of Open’s self-selecting nature. I’ve played the game you’re imagining numerous times, and each time the result is either a hard coded anti-PvP switch, or shutting down the game due to lack of players. Elite Dangerous Open mode is an anomaly because Frontier decided to try something different. It was mostly to minimize the high costs of active GMing, but they pulled a Homer and stumbled upon a system which keeps the amount if unsportsmanlike behavior low.

There is no need to imagine it because thats what mostly happens. Guys log on, fly about, deal with others. There will always be people who want 1:1 stuff but thats not what Open Powerplay is and its these guys who will be frustrated.

 

[Darkfyre99]

There is no need to imagine it because thats what mostly happens. Guys log on, fly about, deal with others. There will always be people who want 1:1 stuff but thats not what Open Powerplay is and it’s these guys who will be frustrated.

That’s kind of my point.

Right now, you are experiencing this kind of gameplay at its best. This is because the types of players who would make this experience worse either don’t play in open, or far more likely have quit playing entirely because the environment that you (and I, to a lesser extent) find fun is frustrating to them. They find it hard to maintain the illusion of being big bad PvPers in an Open environment where everyone there is there willingly, and thus generally not easy to kill.

You’re imagining an open only environment where everyone is willing to play PowerPlay by your rules. This is what you got right now, with the exception of an insignificant minority playing in other modes. My experience in other MMOs, and before the MUDs tells me that once open stops being voluntary, you’ll be faced with environment where almost nobody will be willing to play by your rules.

And that isn’t my definition of fun.

YMMV

 

[Rubbernuke]

That’s kind of my point.

Right now, you are experiencing this kind of gameplay at its best. This is because the types of players who would make this experience worse either don’t play in open, or far more likely have quit playing entirely because the environment that you (and I, to a lesser extent) find fun is frustrating to them. They find it hard to maintain the illusion of being big bad PvPers in an Open environment where everyone there is there willingly, and thus generally not easy to kill.

You’re imagining an open only environment where everyone is willing to play PowerPlay by your rules. This is what you got right now, with the exception of an insignificant minority playing in other modes. My experience in other MMOs, and before the MUDs tells me that once open stops being voluntary, you’ll be faced with environment where almost nobody will be willing to play by your rules.

And that isn’t my definition of fun.

YMMV

And that would be the price of an Open Powerplay- you need the filter to create the 'container' everyone is in. No-one knows if this would attract more than it puts off, since there are as many wanting it to happen to those who don't on the forum. The last time it was put to us was in the old flash topics.

The multi mode equivalent is PvE that scales to players but also prevents continual farming without the game pushing back- its equally frustrating having current gameplay which only rewards grinding in a mode that provides minimal NPCs. I hope this is changed becauase the strategic layer suffers and since the difficulty curve is a horizonrtal line people quickly find it dull (like yourself).

The difficulty in Powerplay is having a game like ED where you can build your own rules imposed on a goal oriented feature like Powerplay which needs rules to be consistent, as well as capable oppositon.

 

[Rebel Yell]

Indeed, however people who choose Open in Powerplay do so for opportunistic reasons as they play, not to fanatically guard. Its why if NPCs fail they seek other players to be intelligent foes.

Or because they've dediced to join a group with such rule i.e. there's no other option available than open play for Kumo.