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that is a shame oh well, not a huge deal for me but a minor inconvenience
Open Play experience just blows…
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that is a shame oh well, not a huge deal for me but a minor inconvenience
There is an argument, which I think is reasonable, that if you force people into open who don't want to be there, they just won't play. So still no success in getting more targets.
In X4 you get a personal "attendant" at your landing pad, and sometimes a nice fellow will come by and wash off your ship with some sort of foam sprayer. You also get to observe passengers board and exit your ship. Cargo, on the other hand, is magic-ported via connector tubes that plug into the bottom of your ship, so you don't get to see actual cargo transfer, unless you're a large or extra large ship, which uses small drone "skiffs" to move cargo between the ship and the station (which is something you can observe).
There's also tons of NPCs walking about down at the docks, most of whom you can offer a job on your own ship or fleet. Unfortunately their communication skills aren't really any more interesting than in Elite. "Good luck out there" is X4's version of "Top 1% of all liners" line. That said, comms during combat are pretty dope. "Kiss your plasma vents goodbye!" is probably my favorite. Oh, and all comms are voice-acted. There's this one NPC who says, "You're in trouble now!" in a voice very similar to my father's, which brings back some 'interesting' memories LOL.
You are playing the game wrong, the grind is in your mind, yada yada... what's important is the journey not the destination... ;-)
Nicely put, although I’m not convinced:
- ‘empathy’ is a trait which was defined in a real world face to face context, before gaming complicated things. I don’t think you can just insert this meaning into a gaming context without a new evaluation. It’s complicated.
- you are assuming that the attacker’s intention is to gain pleasure by causing displeasure to another player. There are many other possibilities, for example maybe the other player just wants to learn combat and assumes that it is ‘normal’ to interdict and engage in combat as part of standard competitive game play. That would be ‘ignorant’ or lacking in manners, or many other things as well, simple laziness.
For the gankers that's always valid
There is even a term specifically invented for this: Salt Mining
You don’t know that
Elite having multiple “ opens “ is a problem for splitting the user base but the real problem is the perception of being ganked for no reason at anytime.
Over the years of playing and meeting many commanders in the Bubble and on Expeditions that the large majority don’t care in participating in PvP and will do whatever it takes away from being ganked.
I find that meeting new commanders is difficult, when seeing a commander in a system and saying 07 or Hello they normally just jump out or many times just log off.
If they look at my ship they can see I am no threat as I don’t have any weapons, but the fear in strong.
I have many commanders on my friends list and ever time in get on and see who’s on, and find most in PG.
My Home system for 4 years has a player’s group that you never see because they always play in their PG.
Now you can see their Carriers in system with their players group names but rarely see any commanders.
I often think that Open would be so much better and engaging if commanders weren’t so paranoid.
Over the years of playing and meeting many commanders in the Bubble and on Expeditions that the large majority don’t care in participating in PvP and will do whatever it takes away from being ganked.
I find that meeting new commanders is difficult, when seeing a commander in a system and saying 07 or Hello they normally just jump out or many times just log off.
If they look at my ship they can see I am no threat as I don’t have any weapons, but the fear in strong.
I have many commanders on my friends list and ever time in get on and see who’s on, and find most in PG.
My Home system for 4 years has a player’s group that you never see because they always play in their PG.
Now you can see their Carriers in system with their players group names but rarely see any commanders.
I often think that Open would be so much better and engaging if commanders weren’t so paranoid.
i must admit if a players 1st response to seeing another player in the game is to log off, before they even know what ship you have, It does make me wonder why they are in open................. its just hassle for them as well as hassle for the likes of you.
This forum is quite effective at inducing paranoia
No, emotions are very much real, regardless of distance and circumstance, and regardless whether they are caused by real or imagined events. This is very much evident on the other end of the spectrum, when empathy is so overblown that it leads to the equally toxic SJW behaviour. These people cause damage by ignoring any mitigating facts once their emotions have latched onto something. And they often care more for the most distant suffering than things in their vicinity. Even virtual ones... it's an abyss.
This innocence ends with the learning phase. Then the player makes a decision to like it or not, if it wasn't already determined.
Considering the gist of this thread is about the lack of players in the Open, perhaps your interpretation is askew. I spoke up after years. Maybe I was part of "the silent majority" that did bother to say something today rather than a "vocal minority"? People vote with their feet, as it were, or rather, by their login style. Any time I do anything of high value that takes a lot of time, you can bet I'm in solo to avoid the kill-monkeys that gain nothing when I lose everything and have no repercussions for it.
Just my two bits.
Nobody should complain about lack of open participation until something is done to alleviate losing it all because somebody gets their jollies by ruining another person's day(weeks/months).
In a game that prides itself in "realism" it's rather interesting that one can vandalize someone and cause them to lose all their work and not go to court. Vandalize anything in RL and see if you don't ruin your own life paying back what you've destroyed as well as the criminal charges.
Not so in Elite. You can ruin a guy's day and pay almost nothing. This isn't like some PvP game in which you just respawn like nothing happened. Now if you respawned with all your assets intact, data, cargo, etc, then I'd agree with you, no biggy. But since this is not the case and all is lost, data, cargo, etc, why risk all that time and effort in open knowing there are people that just love ruining it for you?
For what it's worth, Frontier has dedicated a subforum to promote PvP playstyles.
I glanced at it this morning, and it has a decent amount of Powerplay activity, but not much in the way of commanders pushing PvP meetups.
If folks want more PvP, this would seem to be a good place to recruit players and organize events.
"Hello, my name is CMDR Sealclubber, would anyone care to be destroyed today?"
"Hi Sealclubber, my name is CMDR Babyseal, that sounds great!"
"Okay, Babyseal, meet me over at Deciat in Open tomorrow morning at 9:00 PM CST"
"Sounds great, Sealclubber, thanks for the invite!"
I glanced at it this morning, and it has a decent amount of Powerplay activity, but not much in the way of commanders pushing PvP meetups.
If folks want more PvP, this would seem to be a good place to recruit players and organize events.
"Hello, my name is CMDR Sealclubber, would anyone care to be destroyed today?"
"Hi Sealclubber, my name is CMDR Babyseal, that sounds great!"
"Okay, Babyseal, meet me over at Deciat in Open tomorrow morning at 9:00 PM CST"
"Sounds great, Sealclubber, thanks for the invite!"
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Every ganker movie i've seen lead me to believe that.
Also, there is nothing to win in Elite in PVP, except for the salt mined from the exploded commanders. That even more true when we talk about ganking and seal clubbing and not about generic pvp (pre-arranged fights excluded ofc)
My point is that we are in a moral context that is shape shifting reality, so it is better not to enter into the discussion morally at all, until we really know where we stand. So if I go into open I make a promise to myself that I will not let another player affect me emotionally. If I believe it is not possible or I don’t feel like it, I’ll use solo mode. It’s the only way.
Our moral compass has been formed and refined over thousands of years, via interaction comprising complex nuanced verbal communication and facial expressions to help us determine the emotional state and therefore intentions of the other person. In a video game non of that is available, we are poking about in the dark from a moral viewpoint, it’s better to leave morals out of it entirely, for our own well-being.
Isn't that a moral decision?
With that I agree, completely. It wasn't meant to be about moral at all. Moral standards differ by environment, even in the real world. In fantasy/VR, we very much live on shifting moral boundaries. It was about descriptions and definitions which are independent of that and which some people ignore, willfully or not. It often requires work to distinguish which is which.
No hassle for me.
Most of my most memorable times playing Elite is with with friends, sadly many of them don’t play anymore and moved on.
My point is the the paranoia of getting Ganked is there that effects how players interact in open.
When seeing a commander the first thing I do is look at the ship’s build and commander level, low level commanders normally run,
Higher level will normally return my comms.
Expeditions are a lot of fun away from the threat of being ganked with a bunch of commanders exploring together.
It’s amazing the difference in attitude working together refueling a carrier on a large expedition without threats.
In the Bubble that can only be got playing in PG
When I first started out, I looked on reddit and everyone made out like open was some sort of absolute murderzone gankfest and even people I knew that got me into the game told me to sign up for the mobius pve group because they'd read the reddit and been told that open was a murderzone gankfest, where the instant you log in you'll instantly be beset by a swarm of murderous FDLs that will pursue you to the far ends of the galaxy, speeding sidewinders await in every mailslot, the entire bubble was one giant kill or be killed rumble
and then I poked my head into open, and you know what I saw?
NOTHING.
It was like that one bill hicks standup routine about the news, where it's a constant torrent of WAR FAMINE DEATH AIDS HOMELESS RECESSION DEPRESSION WAR FAMINE DEATH AIDS HOMELESS RECESSION DEPRESSION, but if you look out the window it's just crickets chirping and you have to ask "where is all this stuff happening?"
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