Open PvE

[Bigcheese]

Let me clue you in on something - the issue is not isolated to ED. People as a rule are adverse to surprise PvP. I know, shocking isn't it? But just look at every other MMO that has launched and note how many "anything goes" servers they have. Note now niche the "open PvP" games like Conan were and how UO almost died.

You pretty much have to call most gamers cowards.

Sucks being a minority, doesn't it?

I don't like apples because they are red, therefor oranges are to be avoided.

I think lack of critical thinking is at play here, because playing in Open is nothing like playing on the one server for an mmo where people go to just to kill everyone randomly. Comparing the two shows a serious lack of understanding. It's like people want to be afraid, even where there is no reason to...

It's like saying people in GTAV swear a lot so they shouldn't allow communications here. It's nonsensical.

 

[Jorlin]

The fears are mostly imaginary, that's the thing. It's also a game, if someone is looking for an activity devoid of risk or surprise, there are plenty of activities available. Trying to turn an online game into that is...lame and unrealistic.

If they are going to play a game, occasionally facing an obstacle is part of the experience. I mean wanting to change frontier space into a lazy Sunday drive...really?

and again you come up with "fears".
i already stated that is something that might not even is the reason to play solo (i only go to open for PvP).

if facing "obstacles" is your kind of thing in a game: great.
now all you have to do is: accept that others have different reasons to play... and maybe move away from the thought that you keep the ultimate knowledge about life itself.

 

[ianw]

true, open doesn't mean 100% PvP.

But some people just play to relax, not getting kicks out of it.
Just like some people, after getting home from work, like to read a book instead of willingly jumping out of planes that aren't even burning...
It's not necessarily fear, it's just another playstyle.

I know that you have problems to understand it... but you don't need to. Just accept it that nobody is like you, everyone else has diffent thoughts and demands to enjoy a game.

And calling people "cowards"...
You can do this for combat loggers, sure.
But not for someone who never wanted a fight, never joined the game to fight, doesn't play the game to fight and therefore plays the game the way he wants to (and bought it for): solo, relaxing, enjoying the scenery.

I'm not sure you can even call combat loggers cowards - seriously - it's a game.

I think it's more a case of people wanting different things from a game and not wanting to play with people who insist that people have to play their way - or demonstrate an obnoxious attitude.

For example people like Bigcheese calling people cowards for wanting something different out of a game.

It doesn't strike me as fear - it seems more like someone scraping something they find unpleasant off the bottom of their shoe.

 

[Bigcheese]

and again you come up with "fears".
i already stated that is something that might not even is the reason to play solo (i only go to open for PvP).

if facing "obstacles" is your kind of thing in a game: great.
now all you have to do is: accept that others have different reasons to play... and maybe move away from the thought that you keep the ultimate knowledge about life itself.

So it's a frontier space sim where frontier space is on par with a peaceful stroll in the park.

That's brilliant. But yeah, the needless fear of what everyone else is doing is simply bizarre and totally unfounded. It's in your heads guys. Stop being so fearful, it's dumb.

 

[Rasilon]

I would have preferred Solo to be offline single player with it's own save, I have no idea why FD went with this crazy system. I support an online PVE mode with co-op play, but it should also be a separate save. Open play should stay as it is, also with it's own save, a PVE flag is a silly idea that has never worked in any games I have played. I trade in open with no problems at all, it's a huge whopping Galaxy. Why would you trade in a known Pirate area?

 

[Jorlin]

I'm not sure you can even call combat loggers cowards - seriously - it's a game.

I think it's more a case of people wanting different things from a game and not wanting to play with people who insist that people have to play their way - or demonstrate an obnoxious attitude.

For example people like Bigcheese calling people cowards for wanting something different out of a game.

It doesn't strike me as fear - it seems more like someone scraping something they find unpleasant off the bottom of their shoe.

Well, for me "combat loggers" are people engaging in a fight and then pulling the plug if things don't go well.
Everything else is just an accidentally disconnect

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So it's a frontier space sim where frontier space is on par with a peaceful stroll in the park.

That's brilliant. But yeah, the needless fear of what everyone else is doing is simply bizarre and totally unfounded. It's in your heads guys. Stop being so fearful, it's dumb.

ok, again your "fear" complex.

clearly you are just flamebaiting.

 

[Bigcheese]

ok, again your "fear" complex.

clearly you are just flamebaiting.

It's pretty clear you guys have the complex. How many safe modes do you need? And when you consider that you can fly around in open and be just fine, it makes it even more bizarre.

Ugh. Live a little.

 

[ianw]

Well, for me "combat loggers" are people engaging in a fight and then pulling the plug if things don't go well.
Everything else is just an accidentally disconnect

I think the only time someone should feel obliged not to combat log is if they initiated the fight.

But we are in danger of going off topic.

(and for the record I turned up at one of your come and get me evenings where you invite people to come and get you. I turned up - I came second - I didn't combat log).

 

[Kaeldian]

I don't like apples because they are red, therefor oranges are to be avoided.

I think lack of critical thinking is at play here, because playing in Open is nothing like playing on the one server for an mmo where people to just to kill randomly. Comparing the two shows a serious lack of understanding. It's like people want to be afraid, even where there is no reason to...

Great - you just called me stupid. Nice. Stay classy there bud.

I think what you are trying to say there is I'm making use of some sort of logical fallacy (Probably a strawman, can't be bothered to look it up) Except this time, the cause and effect is legit - if there was a demand for open play that let people be randomly murdered, we'd see more games for it. Problem is, there really isn't.

But hey, that's not all folks. There is a lot of older folks like me that just don't like having to deal with self-important little twirps. I mean, it's amusing the first couple times somebody calls me kid, but it gets old fast. Not amusing after the 100th time. Neither is it amusing jumping into some guy's instance where his computer hasn't been cracked opened and cleaned since it was upgraded to Windows ME.

There is just lots of reasons for somebody to prefer PvE or solo. You can sit there and pretend to be smart and feel smug at calling them "cowards" all day... Yah, most of us ain't gonna bite at that. Most of us don't respond to the "you chicken" taunt when we graduate college or high school.

Yah - your 10 dollar words ain't foolin' nobody, knock it off.

 

[Jorlin]

It's pretty clear you guys have the complex. How many safe modes do you need? And when you consider that you can fly around in open and be just fine, it makes it even more bizarre.

Ugh. Live a little.

oh i can live quite ok in the knowledge that not everyone else shares my opinions... something that seems to scare you

 

[Bigcheese]

Great - you just called me stupid. Nice. Stay classy there bud.

The comparison was poorly though out, sorry but it is what it is.

Have you guys even tried actually playing the game? Honestly...

oh i can live quite ok in the knowledge that not everyone else shares my opinions... something that seems to scare you

Not scared, annoyed. It's disingenuous pandering to solve problems that don't exist to satisfy some bizarre need to remove all risk from a video game.

Why even play a game like this when you seem opposed to theme it's based on? Frontier space with no risk. /facepalm

The game is already so easy but it's never enough...

 

[Cody]

<guffaws>

 

[Jorlin]

<guffaws>

that one is new...

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Why even play a game like this when you seem opposed to theme it's based on? Frontier space with no risk. /facepalm

like i said: if that's the way you see the game, play it that way.
others will play it the way they see it.
live with it or stay annoyed... your call.

 

[Kaeldian]

The comparison was poorly though out, sorry but it is what it is.

Have you guys even tried actually playing the game? Honestly...

Not scared, annoyed. It's disingenuous pandering to solve problems that don't exist to satisfy some bizarre need to remove all risk from a video game.

Why even play a game like this when you seem opposed to theme it's based on? Frontier space with no risk. /facepalm

No, it was spot on actually. You just don't want to admit it. Is this the part where I say "that a fact" and pretend you can't respond? Seems to be your MO

And yes, I do play the game actually. Sometimes even in Open. And honestly? if Mobius collapsed, I'd probably just shrug and go solo. I actually don't have a dog in the race. But I don't see the harm in giving players a PvE mode. It baffles me that somebody would fight it though.

 

[Lestenio]

It's pretty clear you guys have the complex. How many safe modes do you need? And when you consider that you can fly around in open and be just fine, it makes it even more bizarre.

Ugh. Live a little.

I disagree. It's pretty clear you guys have the complex becasue you spend all your time and effor trying to convince others to play open. If open was really that much fun, it would be chock full of players and you wouldn't be so needy and desperate for people to play with.

 

[Jack Schitt]

I mean wanting to change frontier space into a lazy Sunday drive...really?

So it's a frontier space sim where frontier space is on par with a peaceful stroll in the park.

Frontier space with no risk. /facepalm

Sol isn't frontier space. Achenar isn't frontier space. Lave isn't frontier space. Except that in ED as currently implemented they are. In fact the entire freaking galaxy is frontier space as far as moderating player behaviour is concerned.

This is what many of us have a problem with. Not that the game allows, even encourages, certain types of behaviour. But that it does so pretty much everywhere with zero consequences.

If this was another new multiplayer open space game, with a whole new background story and a galaxy full of planetary systems we'd never heard of, I suspect we wouldn't be seeing half of the complaints we're seeing. But it's not; it's a game set in a universe whose lore has been filling out -- albeit intermittently -- for thirty years both in the games and in the recently published official fiction.

Yet what the game currently allows to take place bears no relation to anything that's happened before, and the creators / curators of the universe seem more than happy to allow this. It's utterly bizarre.

As I've said elsewhere, if some of what is happing in game now (and even making it into the official GalNet news stream for heaven's sake) had been included as plot elements in any of the officially licensed fiction it would likely have been rejected as not in fitting with Elite lore. Yet in the current version of the game it's positively encouraged.

But hey, I promised myself I wouldn't get dragged into another one of these circular threads. I'll reserve further judgement until after 1.3 is released.

 

[Gold Member]

I disagree. It's pretty clear you guys have the complex becasue you spend all your time and effor trying to convince others to play open. If open was really that much fun, it would be chock full of players and you wouldn't be so needy and desperate for people to play with.

Actually, it's the whining to nerf the game that is prevalent. There is a survey out right now on the forums and so far the OPEN mode was selected by exactly 2/3 of respondents. I suggest you go take it and then look at the results. https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=136579

Note, I said survey, not poll. A player is doing is for a business class he is taking.

 

[Jorlin]

Actually, it's the whining to nerf the game that is prevalent. There is a survey out right now on the forums and so far the OPEN mode was selected by exactly 2/3 of respondents. I suggest you go take it and then look at the results. https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=136579

Note, I said survey, not poll. A player is doing is for a business class he is taking.

and it tells that 1/3rd doesn't play open (for various reasons).
noone wants to take away open play.
and you can play it perfectly without me

 

[Mr_Blastman]

I would like there to be only one mode, open mode.

 

[Jorlin]

I would like there to be only one mode, open mode.

and i wouldn't like it... so?