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Fill out the survey guys. Most people are claiming to fly Open. Groups are a perfect and already implemented solution, and since there is one in particular that keeps getting mentioned.....

You need to add more options, I clicked "played since beta" the next was "open, group or solo" I play solo now but beta & gamma open mainly. I closed the page, I was happy to fill in your survey but I closed the tab the moment it wouldn't correctly represent my play style.
 
They should put a big carrot into open mode play, the current situation is:

Open

pros >>> multiplayer
cons >>> lag,griefers,sharing of instances=less profits

Solo

pros >>> no lag, no risk trade

cons >>> carebare lol
 
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You've kinda made my point for me. Attacked by an NPC and destroyed.. okay.. attacked and destroyed by a player.. not okay.

Genuinely can't get it.

Me either.

4th server option, open only and can never change. It would have the most players haha cause most people want to show off their toys even if they are solo loyalists :)
 
There is no other word to describe this behavior but cowardly. I know it's just a game and some might not like how that sounds, but seriously, Elite has the most cowardly player base I've ever seen for a video game ever. Never seen a group so utterly opposed to anything resembling a challenge. This goes way beyond pvp, this is a fundamental aversion to even the smallest risk in a video game. Truly bizarre.

Hi Hero

Back on the coward thing again, OFC you have no idea who you are adding that "label" to, that really **** me off.

Call someone a coward because you think they are worried about losing virtual money, in a game fighting someone else's pixels.

Add your RL medals to your sig then we can talk about hero's & cowards, actually don't bother I wouldn't believe you. I doubt you would be using the word "coward" in the context of a game if you really knew what a real coward or hero was in RL.
 
Keep trying to think on how to respond to this without sounding as insulting as you....

Not having any interest in adversarial player interaction does not mean coward. If that is how you judge a person says more about you than me however.

PS not wanting to meet you in my game is nothing to do with fear.

You are a better man than me. I replied in kind.

I agree, I can lose my Asp 10 times right now, losing my ship is not the problem, fear is also not the reason I avoid open, its some of the people.
 
It's pretty clear you guys have the complex. How many safe modes do you need? And when you consider that you can fly around in open and be just fine, it makes it even more bizarre.

Ugh. Live a little.

What's the problem?, well apart from a lot more traders going "OHHH we have a PVE mode, I never knew that, I will give it go" when they see it in the options menu.

Maybe we should refer to it as the "less sheep to hunt" button.
 
Sol isn't frontier space. Achenar isn't frontier space. Lave isn't frontier space. Except that in ED as currently implemented they are. In fact the entire freaking galaxy is frontier space as far as moderating player behaviour is concerned.

This is what many of us have a problem with. Not that the game allows, even encourages, certain types of behaviour. But that it does so pretty much everywhere with zero consequences.

If this was another new multiplayer open space game, with a whole new background story and a galaxy full of planetary systems we'd never heard of, I suspect we wouldn't be seeing half of the complaints we're seeing. But it's not; it's a game set in a universe whose lore has been filling out -- albeit intermittently -- for thirty years both in the games and in the recently published official fiction.

Yet what the game currently allows to take place bears no relation to anything that's happened before, and the creators / curators of the universe seem more than happy to allow this. It's utterly bizarre.

As I've said elsewhere, if some of what is happing in game now (and even making it into the official GalNet news stream for heaven's sake) had been included as plot elements in any of the officially licensed fiction it would likely have been rejected as not in fitting with Elite lore. Yet in the current version of the game it's positively encouraged.

But hey, I promised myself I wouldn't get dragged into another one of these circular threads. I'll reserve further judgement until after 1.3 is released.

+1 I was going to highlight the bits I agreed with, then I realised it was every single word so I didn't bother.

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Actually, it's the whining to nerf the game that is prevalent. There is a survey out right now on the forums and so far the OPEN mode was selected by exactly 2/3 of respondents. I suggest you go take it and then look at the results. https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=136579

Note, I said survey, not poll. A player is doing is for a business class he is taking.

And I started filling it in but it was too restrictive to be correct for me, if I did compete it I would be misrepresenting myself.
 
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Gold Member;2090651 2/3 of players are in OPEN as it is now and I think most of them have figured out that if you want to be safe said:
Please show me the link that supports "2/3 of players are in OPEN as it is now" I would be really interested to see how everyone is playing right now.
 
Please show me the link that supports "2/3 of players are in OPEN as it is now" I would be really interested to see how everyone is playing right now.

Here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1yhEIkKfpZr9DrqJ0bB7wfXWWdct6xsr2E1wZ1kfhph4/viewanalytics

But it's one of those lies, damned lies and statistics moments (no offence to the survey OP -- they are doing interesting work):

You could say: "No need to spend dev resources on Open PvE as 66% of the population plays in Open"
You could also say: "No need spend dev resources on mining as 88% of the population have never mined"
Or "No need for Anaconda skins as 96% of players fly different ships"
 
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Here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1yhEIkKfpZr9DrqJ0bB7wfXWWdct6xsr2E1wZ1kfhph4/viewanalytics

But it's one of those lies, damned lies and statistics moments (no offence to the survey OP -- they are doing interesting work):

You could say: "No need to spend dev resources on Open PvE as 66% of the population plays in Open"
You could also say: "No need spend dev resources on mining as 88% of the population have never mined"
Or "No need for Anaconda skins as 96% of players fly different ships"

The main telling thing from the survey is that the "open majority" is taken from the forum, reddit and steam not just the forum. You'll find the majority of solo/group players on the forum and the majority of open players on reddit (particularly the more pvp focused) .

The same could probably be said for the age ranges in polls taken on the forum. In my experience younger players aren't forum orientated any more and most use social media and reddit to discuss the game.

I personally believe the majority of players are playing in open but I also think a pve open flag could be good for the game and would actually bring more players in to open :)
 
What if 83% of people who play don't fill out Polls or surveys?

Reiterating speculative numbers is contentious.
Just sayin..
 
What if 83% of people who play don't fill out Polls or surveys?

Reiterating speculative numbers is contentious.
Just sayin..

And this goes around and around and around. At least there is a current data set to work with. It's remarkable that the 2/3 playing in open has remained consistent even as the number of respondents has gone up by a few thousand. I was really quite surprised that it neither went down or up by significant amounts throughout the day. And a sample size representing a significant percentage of active players (I do not use Reddit) who are engaged enough to use this forum or Reddit as an adjunct to the game is more valid than the last hundred threads I've read that complain about wanting something that imho is not going to happen any time soon.

This is one of those times when a survey is accurate with a few percentage points 19 times out of 20.

A super majority of people play open. End of story.
 
The main telling thing from the survey is that the "open majority" is taken from the forum, reddit and steam not just the forum. You'll find the majority of solo/group players on the forum and the majority of open players on reddit (particularly the more pvp focused) .

The same could probably be said for the age ranges in polls taken on the forum. In my experience younger players aren't forum orientated any more and most use social media and reddit to discuss the game.

I personally believe the majority of players are playing in open but I also think a pve open flag could be good for the game and would actually bring more players in to open :)


Once again an open mode PVE flag is a silly idea, it will not be good for the game at all. I know this because I have played PvP games with PvE flags and it simply does not work. Things tend to get complicated right away.
 
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And this goes around and around and around. At least there is a current data set to work with. It's remarkable that the 2/3 playing in open has remained consistent even as the number of respondents has gone up by a few thousand. I was really quite surprised that it neither went down or up by significant amounts throughout the day. And a sample size representing a significant percentage of active players (I do not use Reddit) who are engaged enough to use this forum or Reddit as an adjunct to the game is more valid than the last hundred threads I've read that complain about wanting something that imho is not going to happen any time soon.

This is one of those times when a survey is accurate with a few percentage points 19 times out of 20.

A super majority of people play open. End of story.

In case anyone is interested, "Fishing Was Good!!", caught 4 catfish, total weighing in at about 11Lbs." Great day at the lake.

As for you, "Gold Member" your silly survey, actually surveys less than .009% of the customer base if we assume only 400K copies of the game have been sold. Since I think were all pretty certian were actually pushing the heck out of 500K copies, I think its safe to assume the actual percentage is far less than .009% surveyed. In short, your surveys full of crap.

So lets cut thru the serious crap here! What difference does it make weather we PVE in "Mobius", or a Formal PVE mode? What's the bottom line here!

PS "Bigcheese", one more insult and I'm reporting you to the mods!!! That goes for anyone else here.
 
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We just need Mobius to post a "SO I QUIT" thread and PVE mode will be released in a week.

Job done!

Don't even say that out loud man... If it wasn't for all the great cmdrs I've met in Mobius... It's a whole other game...

I really would like an official response.

Hi Hero

Back on the coward thing again, OFC you have no idea who you are adding that "label" to, that really **** me off.

Call someone a coward because you think they are worried about losing virtual money, in a game fighting someone else's pixels.

Add your RL medals to your sig then we can talk about hero's & cowards, actually don't bother I wouldn't believe you. I doubt you would be using the word "coward" in the context of a game if you really knew what a real coward or hero was in RL.

Ouch... Glad I'm not on the receiving end of that one.

...Maybe we should refer to it as the "less sheep to hunt" button.

"Less sheep to hunt" button. :)

+7000 cmdrs wanting to play with each other, not against. Dependent on one civilian. I really can't see how FD can afford to ignore this thread.

FD?
 
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I'm happy with it being a cut throat solo or PvE Galaxy. I just have no interest at all in a cut throat PvP Galaxy.

your reply

You've kinda made my point for me. Attacked by an NPC and destroyed.. okay.. attacked and destroyed by a player.. not okay.

Genuinely can't get it.


Not sure why you are failing to get it. It's a pretty simple concept on how I like to play games.
If I play FIFA I play solo and have no interest playing against other players yet I still enjoy the game just as much.
If I play Bloodborne, I'm more than happy to team up with a friend.

I'll repeat once again, I have no interest in PvP and existing as a dot on the scanner just to make your playing experience more enjoyable.
 
You've kinda made my point for me. Attacked by an NPC and destroyed.. okay.. attacked and destroyed by a player.. not okay.

Genuinely can't get it.

And this goes around and around and around. At least there is a current data set to work with. It's remarkable that the 2/3 playing in open has remained consistent even as the number of respondents has gone up by a few thousand. I was really quite surprised that it neither went down or up by significant amounts throughout the day. And a sample size representing a significant percentage of active players (I do not use Reddit) who are engaged enough to use this forum or Reddit as an adjunct to the game is more valid than the last hundred threads I've read that complain about wanting something that imho is not going to happen any time soon.

This is one of those times when a survey is accurate with a few percentage points 19 times out of 20.

A super majority of people play open. End of story.

Then congratulations. open has a large percentage of the ED population, I'm chuffed for you guys.
As you have the majority, now perhaps you'll leave people alone who don't want an open experience, and leave us to play happily in our Solo or PvE modes.

With the majority of players, your scanners must be jam packed with real CMD targets for you to interact with, so you really have no need for us to join an overcrowded world.
 
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Then congratulations. open has a large percentage of the ED population, I'm chuffed for you guys.
As you have the majority, now perhaps you'll leave people alone who don't want an open experience, and leave us to play happily in our Solo or PvE modes.

With the majority of players, your scanners must be jam packed with real CMD targets for you to interact with, so you really have no need for us to join an overcrowded world.

Thanks Lestenio! +1
 
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