Sorry I couldn't hear your Clipper praise over the roar of my Corsair's size 7 thrusters
Our old ships
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Which continues my original point. Non-SCO fitted ships shouldn't be retrofit for SCO to "just work". They should have their own intrinsic advantages.Wait, you mean you didn't fill it full of fuel-tanks and heat-sink launchers first? Well, see? User error!
Oh also this
Can we be honest? The Clipper has long been since regarded as obsolete anyway by the ED playerbase lol.
The mere fact that the SCO is just outright better on key fronts, and equivalent on all others counts is pretty daft from a game design perspective but here we are.
Hmm. So not to promote the old ships, but to degrade the new ones? Hmm.
You're suggesting we cut the jump of SСO FSD in half?
No-one expected the Defender to become a “classic”, it was just so good at what it did it became one.
Hmmm Okay wait up, it's almost like you didn't even try to find comparable examples here. Seems like a methodology guaranteed to produce the result you wanted....
I mean what about this?
$23,500
Ford Bronco IIDamn only 60k miles, great condition. This puppy looks ready to go 'muddin' as the rednecks say lol. Land Rover...pffft please. Those things are nothing but trouble.
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Every ship can be SCO-enabled with a SCO variant of an FSD. All of them. Fun story, fit a non-SCO FSD to a native SCO ship, and see what happens. Currently the intrinsic advantage to SCO-native ships is not cooking and being a bit less wibbly-wobbly in SCO.
Either native or non-native can compress the time spent in Supercruise. So legacy ships aren't really abandoned at all. So that's already an intrinsic advantage/ difference.
Therefore what is your point, exactly?
This is conflating two aspects. Again, every ship can use a SCO-enabled FSD. That the new ships have native support for SCO, only means they don't cook, and don't wobble as much (refer above).
What is being lost here is the difference between native and non-native behaviour of the drive. So despite this being a differentiator, I am reading between the lines to determine that's the wrong sort of differentiator, but you've not been forthcoming on the right sort (granted, I get it, it's easier to point at something and say "this is bad", it's harder to point and say "this is bad, but here are examples of how it could be less bad").
It also ignores that SCO native ships do not naturally replace everything at this time. I spend about as much time in non-native SCO enabled ships as I do native. Even the chungus-bus Panther Clipper II is unlikely to unseat Cutter (for example) just by solely existing. Cutter will almost certainly still be faster and that still carries a lot of water for this game.
I'd like to see Frontier add something that brings the legacy ships more in line with the new and more flavour is always good, I am 100% with you there, however both the game engine and the way instancing works, means Frontier have fairly limited ways they can fool with either.
I would like to be able to kick SCO on and not immediately shake-and-bake in Cutter, but until Frontier decide that that has stopped being comical, I guess I will just have to continue managing as is.
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Cutter has too many roles. But after the PC release, I definitely won't be trading on it.
Bold given we do not even know what PC Mk II stats are.
After I got a Fleet Carrier, I did start down-sizing the FSD on several ships to save both weight and Power - great for small/medium "fun" builds - as the Carrier was there to take my ships interesting places. So, I generally just leave the Carrier parked somewhere, use a DBX Taxi (not upgraded to a Mandalay) to get where I want to go, and then just call the ships I want. I'd still like to get some sort of trade-in deal though, as that's likely the only thing that'd make me want to SCO more ships.
The old ships are also still a good option for less accomplished players.
Recently a friend of mine started playing but he does not have the hours to grind a lot.
For him the cobra 3 is a much more attractive option at 350k than the MKV at 2mil.
For people with infinite money the new ships are a logical option except for tastes and nostalgia that is.
However if credits are still precious to you its an easy choice
Recently a friend of mine started playing but he does not have the hours to grind a lot.
For him the cobra 3 is a much more attractive option at 350k than the MKV at 2mil.
For people with infinite money the new ships are a logical option except for tastes and nostalgia that is.
However if credits are still precious to you its an easy choice
Depends how they play. It’s super easy to learn how to make loads of credits and buy any ship within a week or so. But if you’re engaging with and playing the game the old-fashioned way you can still have hundreds of hours of fun before you get to the point where you start to have too many credits.
This same conversation about credits was happening when I joined the forums, but I still managed to get a good year of gameplay before I totally ran out of things to burn credits on until I’d accumulated enough for a fleet carrier.
My...my brain just....
I have a fleet carrier and it wasn't until I read this I realized just how stupid it is to have a maxed out maxed size G5 Engineered FSD in ALL my ships even if I'm playing in the same system my carrier is parked in.
Thank you good sir o7
Back to the Engineers today!!!!!
During the early days of the Thargoid War, when we were defending populated systems, I had a travel FSD and a fighting FSD, being the smallest I could fit as I was just using SC back and forth from the station to the CZs.
I also only have a D-rated on my AX Mandalay, the jump range is so good I may as well reduce the weight and improve the manoeuvrability.
So as a challenge to myself and just because someone on my squad made a joke, I made a Corvette for core mining in HazRez's. (named COREvette, get it?) D-rated and lightweighted everything and she's pretty damn nimble, feel like I could get more out of her though. But for some reason she has the standard huge honking A-rated FSD in it! I can shave god knows how many tons off her now, wooo.
Thanks!
For someone who want to drop a subject you seem surprisingly entusiastic about keeping it going.
Can you get that uninspired design out of my cockpit view. At least I know my Keelbacks boost sound will drown out the memory of the blandness that is the corsair.
First item on Google.
So a third of the milage of the Land Rover and a 1989 model opposed to your own suggestion... watch those goalposts shift!
Tempted to up the ante for an '86 Land Rover 110 or a Range Rover, both of which will start around £20,000 and then go up...
...and couldn't see my lips because I'm out in front and edging further ahead, I know...Sorry I couldn't hear your Clipper praise over the roar of my Corsair's size 7 thrusters
It's all right. You'll pass me in SCO (If I don't careen into you).
Goalposts? Hey you're comparing costs while using US and UK currency. And we don't have a VAT Tax here! Why don't you compare apples to apples?
I'm sorry but it's time to lay down the gauntlet here. Anyone knows a classic Bronco DESTROYS a "classic" Land Rover when it comes to off-roading. But since you guys specifically brought reliability and dependency into this when you started bashing the Bronco....
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Game over.
Currency conversion is dead easy, you can just plug it into Google.
We don’t pay VAT of second hand cars, unless it’s from a dealer*, as it was paid when the car was new.
And also you do pay sales tax on the US which, in some states at least, is paid on second had cars.
Of course, that’s why Africa is full of Broncos and the Australians love them. Oh, wait…
*Edit: a dealer buys a car, claims the VAT off the vehicle price paid, sells it for a profit adding VAT on to the invoice. We also usually sell with a price inc. VAT, which makes it much easier for the consumer to know what things actually cost.
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