Pandora's box is open

[sympatrick]

That doesn't change the fact that unrealistic choices have been in the game from the start.

Oh yeah, they are both unrealistic. The main concern behind my preference against animals that do not do well in captivity is about the animal welfare message behind it. Otherwise, animals not breeding in captivity in real life readily breeding in the game is also not realistic.

The difference here is welfare related, which places the three-toed sloth in a different group with indri, Javan rhino, and so on, instead of animals that don't breed in captivity. Now I understand why we couldn't agree to disagree. We were discussing different concepts.

 

[DarthQuell]

Tell Pandora to get her act together.

Goodbye, hopes and dreams


Ok, here's my view of the whole issue: I'm not against animals that are almost non-existent I'm zoos; brown-throated sloth at least has some specimens in Dallas. Proboscis monkeys are found in zoos in their native range, as well.
So these kind of animals I'm ok with.

What I personally don't want are animals that can't be found in captivity, as it's been shown again and again that they can't survive. Major examples are things like white sharks.


So, animals like keas (which aren't very common outside New Zealand, if I remember correctly), Tasmanian devils (which are almost non-existent in zoos outside of Australia), and even bush dogs

 

[HunterIsCookie]

Goodbye, hopes and dreams


Ok, here's my view of the whole issue: I'm not against animals that are almost non-existent I'm zoos; brown-throated sloth at least has some specimens in Dallas. Proboscis monkeys are found in zoos in their native range, as well.
So these kind of animals I'm ok with.

What I personally don't want are animals that can't be found in captivity, as it's been shown again and again that they can't survive. Major examples are things like white sharks.


So, animals like keas (which aren't very common outside New Zealand, if I remember correctly), Tasmanian devils (which are almost non-existent in zoos outside of Australia), and even bush dogs

This is pretty much my thoughts on the matter too, though I'll advocate for a few species with pretty recent captive holdings. Saigas, Leopard Seals, Sumatran Rhinos and Northern Elephant Seals get a pass from me personally as they add something interesting to the game, and can help with remaking old iterations of existing zoos. I'll give the sloth a pass too, since we gave the Wild Water Buffalo the same pass of being in like 1 zoo, but I would've definitely preferred a two-toed species.

 

[YesIndeed]

Goodbye, hopes and dreams


Ok, here's my view of the whole issue: I'm not against animals that are almost non-existent I'm zoos; brown-throated sloth at least has some specimens in Dallas. Proboscis monkeys are found in zoos in their native range, as well.
So these kind of animals I'm ok with.

What I personally don't want are animals that can't be found in captivity, as it's been shown again and again that they can't survive. Major examples are things like white sharks.


So, animals like keas (which aren't very common outside New Zealand, if I remember correctly), Tasmanian devils (which are almost non-existent in zoos outside of Australia), and even bush dogs

I can't tell how your trying to phrase the last statement. Do you want tassies and keas or not.

 

[Fossa]

Deathstare Bill is the shoebill

 

[DarthQuell]

I can't tell how your trying to phrase the last statement. Do you want tassies and keas or not.

I do, yes. Sorry, typos

 

[abigenius]

brown-throated sloth at least has some specimens in Dallas

In Mexico the Guadalajara zoo wich is the only zoo in all of latin america that is accredited by AZA used to have those sloths for many years I guess because it was easy to get their food

 

[FoxyDee]

So, animals like keas (which aren't very common outside New Zealand, if I remember correctly),

Not sure about US, but there are 57 holdings that have Keas in Europe. That is quite a few, so I think Keas are perfect for PZ.

 

[SalamAnders]

and even bush dogs

They are also in 50+ zoos in Europe

 

[Fossa]

Dall Sheep do NOT like Keas in this game!!

 

[ReptoMin]

Although not a Priority, I'm fine with Animals that are Rare in Zoos. Things like Proboscis Monkey, Tasmanian Devil, Platypus, etc. As long as it isn't a Hot Topic because of Animal Welfare, a Death Sentence for the Animal, or the Animal is actually Extinct. But seeing the particular Species of Sloth they chose, it seems the former 2 aren't really an issue for Frontier, so we might end up getting things like Orcas and Dolphins or even Leatherbacks, White Sharks and Narwhal.

 

[DarthQuell]

Not sure about US, but there are 57 holdings that have Keas in Europe. That is quite a few, so I think Keas are perfect for PZ.

They are also in 50+ zoos in Europe

Not fair
Maybe I'll go to Europe only for the zoos, not even for the landmarks

 

[SalamAnders]

Not fair
Maybe I'll go to Europe only for the zoos, not even for the landmarks

The zoos are definitely better than the landmarks.

 

[FortressDoor]

I think we're reading too much into the sloth thing here. The reason we have the wrong sloth species is that Frontier knew they wanted to add a sloth in this pack, and they picked the more iconic species over the more zoo realistic one. They made a marketing decision that isn't going to hurt them very much at all because 99 percent of the world's population does not know or care about the difference between sloth species.

Compared to an orca or dolphin situation, there isn't a near identical species for them to replace. That makes their addition an obvious hit against the conservation image they have tried to put on, particularly with the space requirements. I'd be shocked if they added any of the animals on this list.

 

[ReptoMin]

Compared to an orca or dolphin situation, there isn't a near identical species for them to replace.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean here. They already chose the Sloth that has issues in captivity, over a similar one that does not. If they had picked Two-Toed what you said would make sense. It is true that the whole Cetacean Topic is much Popular and people know more about it, which is a solid point, but I don't get the Similar Species to choose from detail.

I'd be shocked if they added any of the animals on this list.

Cetaceans aside, which is a Hot Topic on another Level, I don't see why the other Animals on the Main List would differ from a Brown-Throated Sloth. They are all Animals that usually don't survive in Captivity. An Argument could be that not many People want a Saola as much as a Sloth, but otherwise they are on the Same Boat.

 

[FortressDoor]

I'm not sure I understand what you mean here. They already chose the Sloth that has issues in captivity, over a similar one that does not. If they had picked Two-Toed what you said would make sense. It is true that the whole Cetacean Topic is much Popular and people know more about it, which is a solid point, but I don't get the Similar Species to choose from detail.


Cetaceans aside, which is a Hot Topic on another Level, I don't see why the other Animals on the Main List would differ from a Brown-Throated Sloth. They are all Animals that usually don't survive in Captivity. An Argument could be that not many People want a Saola as much as a Sloth, but otherwise they are on the Same Boat.

Very few people know about the differences between three-toed and two-toed sloths, as far as most people are concerned a sloth is a sloth. Frontier choose the sloth that makes the promotional images more recognizable and striking over the more zoo realistic one in order to boost sales. But they only made that choice due to the species being interchangeable in the minds of everyone not on this forum or on Reddit.

 

[ReptoMin]

In Mexico the Guadalajara zoo wich is the only zoo in all of latin america that is accredited by AZA used to have those sloths for many years I guess because it was easy to get their food

It could be easier access to Food as well as new Sloths. Do you know if those were the same Sloths for several years or they regularly Cycle them with new ones? Not necessarily because they die, but so that their health does not deteriorate. They could be Rescue Animals held for a Short Period of Time for Rehabilitation.

brown-throated sloth at least has some specimens in Dallas.

This is actually a good point. In the long run Dallas Zoo could finally prove these guys are Viable Zoo Animals and change the Name of the Game. I would be glad to see them off the List of Animals that don't Survive in Captivity.

Major examples are things like white sharks.

Didn't Monterey Bay Aquarium prove that wrong with several Juvenile Sharks being held for over a Year and then releasing them? Although Adults would be too big for any Aquarium we have today.

 

[ReptoMin]

Very few people know about the differences between three-toed and two-toed sloths, as far as most people are concerned a sloth is a sloth. Frontier choose the sloth that makes the promotional images more recognizable and striking over the more zoo realistic one in order to boost sales. But they only made that choice due to the species being interchangeable in the minds of everyone not on this forum or on Reddit.

Ok, so your point wasn't about choosing the more Viable Species over the more Popular Species that has Questions around it. That's what it sounded like when you said there isn't such an Animal they could replace an Orca or Dolphin with. As if Two-Toed was the Replacement in this case. In terms of Popularity, I agree. The Hot Topic around Cetaceans is beyond comparable because of Popular Culture. This could be a reason for them not to add those to the Game. Although I can't say the same thing for the other Animals on that List. Doubt the general public knows what a Saola is, let alone it doesn't survive in Captivity.

 

[DarthQuell]

The zoos are definitely better than the landmarks.

Honestly, I think any zoo is better than a landmark. I could care less for NASA and the Alamo, but Houston Zoo or Moody Gardens, I could go all the time

 

[Hanged_Stan]

I want sea turtles. Green and loggerhead are common enough in aquariums and leatherback is a cool less realistic option. We've gotten grey seals and sea lions so the base is there.