Passenger Capacity

[HereticPilot101]

Why can the MS Celestyl Olympia (pictured: 703ft*93ft*22ft) hold a maximum of 2,151 people whereas the Beluga Liner (you've seen one: 659ft*130[ish]ft*126ft) can't even hold 200 in the crappiest accommodations possible for a starship, foregoing all other optional modules?

 

[irongut]

Well for a start that big ship there is floating on water in an atmosphere. A Beluga is in space so it will need life support for every passenger plus emergency life support, a hull that is air tight, etc, etc. You're comparing apples to space oranges.

 

[IndigoWyrd]

Yep, gotta agree there - The Beluga may be a larger ship, though fully outfitted with Economy Cabins, you can manage to sardine in 184 passengers on a Beluga.

Of course, who wants to be sardined in on a ship like that? A luxury cabin in a class 6 size, holds a mere 8 passengers in the same space you'd jam 32, but they're not going to have to step out into the hall way to change their minds.

 

[HereticPilot101]

Well for a start that big ship there is floating on water in an atmosphere. A Beluga is in space so it will need life support for every passenger plus emergency life support, a hull that is air tight, etc, etc. You're comparing apples to space oranges.

For one, life support systems are centralized. They already take up a size 8 compartment, which is probably pretty overkill, considering modern space life support systems aren't really that large, and they should get smaller, not larger. And airtight hulls don't dramatically shrink available room (assuming they aren't armored). Look at the ISS or the Space Shuttle.

 

[mautaban]

Space Shuttle Cant high wake

 

[ThriveInDark]

I mean, I don't really care to stack that many missions anyway, my overall disappoint is that only 1 group can occupy a cabin. I mean I could see that for VIP customers looking for luxury and first class, but you 3 travelling economy are sitting in my 12 seat business class section and there's another 6 passenger mission on the table to the same location that I can't take even though I have the room.

So it really becomes a question of how many optional slots can any given ship have before it just gets silly? One less than that I guess is what the Beluga should have. Because regardless of how many people you "can fit" you can actually only fit as many groups as you have modules, empty seats be damned....

 

[Stealthie]

I was thinking about something related to this earlier...

I bet it's going to be a bit of a nightmare for FDev to implement space-legs in a way that allows you to walk around the ship and actually SEE the stuff you've got in all your module slots and make the interior of the ship fit it's external dimensions.

I mean, it's all very well thinking about "cargo racks" and displaying them as, say, a row of shelving with stuff stored on the shelves but when it comes to passenger cabins they're going to have to be rooms which you could, hopefully, walk into and feel like they were big enough to sleep the correct number of people - even if they were crammed in like the crew of a submarine.

Presumably, they'd have to divide the ship interiors up into empty areas proportional to the sizes of the modules and then design modules which fit in those spaces for the player to walk around.

Point being, it's no good designing, say, a class 2 slot the size of a dog kennel or a class 3 slot the size of a broom-cupboard on the assumption that they'll only ever be fitted with, perhaps, a surface scanner or a docking computer cos they might end up being fitted with passenger cabins so they need to be big enough to cram human beings into.

 

[ThriveInDark]

I was thinking about something related to this earlier...

I bet it's going to be a bit of a nightmare for FDev to implement space-legs in a way that allows you to walk around the ship and actually SEE the stuff you've got in all your module slots and make the interior of the ship fit it's external dimensions.

I mean, it's all very well thinking about "cargo racks" and displaying them as, say, a row of shelving with stuff stored on the shelves but when it comes to passenger cabins they're going to have to be rooms which you could, hopefully, walk into and feel like they were big enough to sleep the correct number of people - even if they were crammed in like the crew of a submarine.

Presumably, they'd have to divide the ship interiors up into empty areas proportional to the sizes of the modules and then design modules which fit in those spaces for the player to walk around.

Point being, it's no good designing, say, a class 2 slot the size of a dog kennel or a class 3 slot the size of a broom-cupboard on the assumption that they'll only ever be fitted with, perhaps, a surface scanner or a docking computer cos they might end up being fitted with passenger cabins so they need to be big enough to cram human beings into.

Well a 2E Economy Cabin weighs 2.5 tons, I imagine that'd be the volume metric they would work with. You raise an interesting point, it'd be pretty cool to have an Orca with a luxury class cabin and be able to chill out in there for example. the cargo stuff is easy, big open bays arranged by size filled with crates, and equipment like hangars are simply that, equipment (thinking of multiple car lifts in a garage) but passengers could be a can of worms

 

[Red Martian]

I fly an Orca with 32 economy and 4 Luxury passengers, and it's a fairly large ship. As others mentioned above, it's because a space ship has to fully encapsulate the living beings inside of her. You can't just wander onto the veranda of a space ship. Well, you can, but you'll be cold, and possibly dead. I wouldn't recommend it.

 

[Arthur Shappey]

What I want is the option to fit a casino in my luxury slots. Why?

1) The luxury compartments are ridiculously spacious in proportion compared to an ocean liner
2) The premium you actually get for the space rarely warrants the extra space reserved
3) The passengers are rich, I want their money
4) They will be too busy playing the tables to make silly requests like [I want two tonnes of Consumer Electronic to make my 5 minute journey more comfortable, if you could travel an extra 30 minutes to get them please...]
5) I basically would then fly as slowly as possible, and watch the money roll in as they lose big time at my tables

That's how to do it. When I can have this!?

 

[Red Martian]

What I want is the option to fit a casino in my luxury slots. Why?

1) The luxury compartments are ridiculously spacious in proportion compared to an ocean liner
2) The premium you actually get for the space rarely warrants the extra space reserved
3) The passengers are rich, I want their money
4) They will be too busy playing the tables to make silly requests like [I want two tonnes of Consumer Electronic to make my 5 minute journey more comfortable, if you could travel an extra 30 minutes to get them please...]
5) I basically would then fly as slowly as possible, and watch the money roll in as they lose big time at my tables

That's how to do it. When I can have this!?

This needs to happen.

 

[DNA-Decay]

Everytime you say Feet and Miles, a spaceship crashes somewhere.

 

[b101uk]

Why can the MS Celestyl Olympia (pictured: 703ft*93ft*22ft) hold a maximum of 2,151 people whereas the Beluga Liner (you've seen one: 659ft*130[ish]ft*126ft) can't even hold 200 in the crappiest accommodations possible for a starship, foregoing all other optional modules?


http://www.cruisemapper.com/images/ships/725-6e1e2ecf4c95.jpg

I can see you don't know much about ships, the 22ft in the measurement you gave is the bit under the water known as draught.

her dimensions are according to the register:
214.5m (‪703.74ft) long, ‬with a beam over extremities of 32.64m (107.08ft), and the summer load line draught is 7m (22.96ft) (draught is the depth of water from the summer load line disk center to the bottom of the keel amidships)

some basic observation tells us, there is 10 decks above the water at the rear and 11 above the water at the front, other info tells us decks 5 and 7 were built at 1 1/2 height, and there is no deck 6 in the rear half, but anatomical proportions of humans tells us that there is probably at lest ~2.5m per deck, so from the water line to the top of the peoples heads on the upper deck must be at lest 2.5m * 11 = 27.5m, which is then plus the mast and the bridge and funnel, the mast is adding about 50% to the height, so 27.5m * 1.5 = 41.25m, you then have the 7m draught, so 41.25m + 7m = 48.25m (‪158.3ft)


likewise it is only rated for 1611 passenger, the crew is ~540 and their accommodation is in the main on the 12th deck which is under the water line.


but if you want a contras the Airbus A380-800 with a single class economy layout seats over 800 people and has a fraction of the crew in a significantly smaller package.

 

[Stealthie]

Well a 2E Economy Cabin weighs 2.5 tons, I imagine that'd be the volume metric they would work with. You raise an interesting point, it'd be pretty cool to have an Orca with a luxury class cabin and be able to chill out in there for example. the cargo stuff is easy, big open bays arranged by size filled with crates, and equipment like hangars are simply that, equipment (thinking of multiple car lifts in a garage) but passengers could be a can of worms

Bah!

I wrote a big, long, post and then made a little sketch to illustrate what I'd written.
And then I realised that the sketch rendered most of what I'd written redundant.

So, here's the short version...

Cargo and Technical modules are always going to be smaller than passenger cabins of the same class.
Therefore, it's always going to be passenger cabins which define the physical size of a class of module.

Based on some fairly conservative guesses about the size of a given passenger cabin, here's how a Cobra would look when fitted with passenger cabins.

Plenty of room there for ANY modules which might be fitted inside a Cobra, including passenger cabins.
you could easily fit walkways in and even have other utility areas too.

 

[HereticPilot101]

I can see you don't know much about ships, the 22ft in the measurement you gave is the bit under the water known as draught.

her dimensions are according to the register:
214.5m (‪703.74ft) long, ‬with a beam over extremities of 32.64m (107.08ft), and the summer load line draught is 7m (22.96ft) (draught is the depth of water from the summer load line disk center to the bottom of the keel amidships)

some basic observation tells us, there is 10 decks above the water at the rear and 11 above the water at the front, other info tells us decks 5 and 7 were built at 1 1/2 height, and there is no deck 6 in the rear half, but anatomical proportions of humans tells us that there is probably at lest ~2.5m per deck, so from the water line to the top of the peoples heads on the upper deck must be at lest 2.5m * 11 = 27.5m, which is then plus the mast and the bridge and funnel, the mast is adding about 50% to the height, so 27.5m * 1.5 = 41.25m, you then have the 7m draught, so 41.25m + 7m = 48.25m (‪158.3ft)


likewise it is only rated for 1611 passenger, the crew is ~540 and their accommodation is in the main on the 12th deck which is under the water line.


but if you want a contras the Airbus A380-800 with a single class economy layout seats over 800 people and has a fraction of the crew in a significantly smaller package.

I'm a private pilot, not a ship captain, so no. And I saw the 1611 passenger vs crew 540 thing. I added them together because those 540 crew still have their own rooms, which are, presumably, room sized. Whereas the picture of economy class cabins in the outfitting store makes them look like nothing more than a set of bunks, or in other words a way to cram as many people into as small a space as possible.

 

[HereticPilot101]

Everytime you say Feet and Miles, a spaceship crashes somewhere.

Growing up with one unit of measurement, it's nigh-impossible to transfer to another one without moving to another country where that's all that's used, or otherwise to convert every distance you see into the new unit (if you really, really​ want to start using a different system). When I hear something is 200 meters long, that means nothing to me. It doesn't sound very long. If I hear that it's 650 ft long, that's a distance I'm familiar with, and suddenly whatever we're talking about became huge.