Just to be clear with any of our colleagues who may not know, I have always been independent and will remain so - I am not part of any player group or minor faction, and have turned down repeated requests to join any. My reason for doing so is precisely because my focus and dedication is to Senator Patreus - not side-projects. I liaise with and talk to Patreus player groups, but I am not part of any one of them. I am one of the sub-reddit's mods, and I am independent.
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Are you not a part of the "planning team" which is a group of Reddit moderators ? I dont know how you decide your planning, but if you wouldnt be the same opinion about something, would you post it against your team/group on the Reddit forum or here ? If yes, well, than you are really independent, but i didnt see anything that could confirn this. You were posting, that Smei Tsu fortification is in the resposiblity of Lorens Legion. But if so, why is Smei Tsu on the first place on your priority list ? If it is true, what you say, and you are independent, why do you not delete Smei Tsu from the priority list and Lorens Legion can have the fun to fortify it, while the other Cmdrs would be free for other systems ?
Was this ever said or implied? I honestly don't know, but if it is i beg to differ.
Smei Tsu is one of Patreus' control systems, it's the duty of all patreuts to protect it and fortify it like all our other systems.
Was this ever said or implied? I honestly don't know, but if it is i beg to differ.
Smei Tsu is one of Patreus' control systems, it's the duty of all patreuts to protect it and fortify it like all our other systems.
What you say looks good, but wasnt 47 Ceti also Patreus system ? If you had to choose, loosing Smei Tsu or 2 systems with more income, what would you do ?
You cant say do fortify this, do not fortify that. As you can see, everybody is saying, not to fortify CF 464, but it is fortifyed every cycle. The planning team set Smei Tsu every cycle on 1st place on priority list and it needs 6 days to be done.
No, its not the duty of all patreuts to fortify it. The best for Patreus would have been, if we had lost it together with 47 Ceti. Every week we stick with it makes us weaker.
Edit: to awnser your question, yes it was said. You can find it on Reddit forums, if they didnt delete it.
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A "Player group" and "a group of people who happen to be working together for the good of the community" are not one in the same.
As for that bit about Loren's Legion and Smei Tsu, I would reference you to my previous post near the beginning of this thread. No need to repeat what's already been said.
Speaking of repeating what's already been said, I'm sorely tempted to advise that we stop fortifying Smei Tsu and let it be shed in revolt just to see if a new discussion will arise from the ashes. This dead horse is almost unrecognizable with the incessant beating it has endured.
Honestly, why don't you just leave the matter of that darn system be, and get on with having fun.
There are 2 options here:
1) Either you loose other systems while fortifying Smei Tsu, then Gusty has his point proven, which is valid to some extend.
2) You're able to hold onto everything along with Smei Tsu, then the rest of "you" has a point, which is valid to some extend.
The larger the empire vs. the playerbase, the more important it is to have easily fortifiable systems, which is what it sounds like Gusty is trying to explain. But right now, the playerbase is large enough to support the empire, which is what someone else is trying to say. So yes, you both have valid points.
The day expansion stalls, or you even loose again, due to the playerbase being too small for the empire, then consider loosing the damn system. Until then, just hold on to it...
There are 2 options here:
1) Either you loose other systems while fortifying Smei Tsu, then Gusty has his point proven, which is valid to some extend.
2) You're able to hold onto everything along with Smei Tsu, then the rest of "you" has a point, which is valid to some extend.
The larger the empire vs. the playerbase, the more important it is to have easily fortifiable systems, which is what it sounds like Gusty is trying to explain. But right now, the playerbase is large enough to support the empire, which is what someone else is trying to say. So yes, you both have valid points.
The day expansion stalls, or you even loose again, due to the playerbase being too small for the empire, then consider loosing the damn system. Until then, just hold on to it...
You keep referring to its being "first" on the list as if it's a statement of importance or priority--but our list isn't in order of priority. ST is listed first because we draw attention to its being an "outpost only" system. As I've already explained (a few times...) we do this to offer it as a potential target for those who wish to make a significant contribution, despite only having a smaller vessel. It has nothing to do with ST being our "top priority" out of the gate. It isn't.
Smei Tsu is always on the list because it's one of the systems that gets undermined every week, and which is time-consuming to fortify, so it would be risky to wait until it (inevitably) gets undermined before starting work on it. That's it. There's no conspiracy or agenda.
Incidentally, you've just been arguing (again) that our having the "same list every week" just "tells our enemies where they don't need to undermine." I wish this were true! I wish we could just make a list of our best systems and trick our enemies into ignoring them. But it doesn't work like that. At the start of the week, the list is comprised of systems that always get undermined, even when they are on our list. The first week you started making this argument literally every single system on our list got undermined that week. I pointed this out at the time, but it's had no effect. You've just gone on repeating it anyway.
But there's a larger point to be made here. You have argued that people can decide for themselves where they want to fortify, so we don't need a list, etc. And you're right. People can, and do, decide for themselves. Some decide to help Corrigendum with Smei Tsu. Some do not--either because it's too inconvenient for their taste, or because they agree with you. Either way, people make up their own minds. You keep saying we're "self-appointed" but this just isn't so. We got where we are by community support. Despite your allegations that we "treat them like slaves," we don't force anyone to do anything, and couldn't even if we wanted to. We make our considered recommendations and a number of people follow them. Others don't. That's it.
We've both explained our reasoning here ad nauseum. There's nothing new to say. Anyone who could be convinced has been convinced. People have made up their minds one way or another. Can't we leave it at that?
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Was this ever said or implied? I honestly don't know, but if it is i beg to differ.
Smei Tsu is one of Patreus' control systems, it's the duty of all patreuts to protect it and fortify it like all our other systems.
Yes, we've said that Smei Tsu is the responsibility of Loren's Legion, by which we only meant that Corrigendum makes sure it gets done, kind of like "if you don't want to help with Smei Tsu, then don't--it's fine!" Of course the help is appreciated, though, as it's a gargantuan task, and LL is a small group. But yeah... nobody claimed it was the "sole responsibility" of LL, or that nobody else should help. That's silly, black and white thinking.
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We are humans. If we see a bad thing coming, we have the choice to avoid it or to take a loss.
I am the one who want to avoid it.
Loosing first systems, to come to a deccision is not very clever. I prefere to be a step in front than a step behind.
While they are prising themelfs on the Reddit forum and calling the Cycle 26 as a victory, lets see it from another point.
- another Imperial system went to Delaine
- it will be the 6th week without expansion and this will not change with the current strategy
- the economic situation didnt change
- the pirats claim already a win in the Pegasi war. Which is hard to contradict.
So to sume it up, we are running behind the situation, unable to direct our way. We are dependent on the help from our enemies.
- another Imperial system went to Delaine
- it will be the 6th week without expansion and this will not change with the current strategy
- the economic situation didnt change
- the pirats claim already a win in the Pegasi war. Which is hard to contradict.
So to sume it up, we are running behind the situation, unable to direct our way. We are dependent on the help from our enemies.
So negative, cheer up.
Of course one side, or both sides will claim victory, that is the natural course of things. In fact, both sides are still standing, so that means it is currently stale mate and ongoing, therefore nobody has won.... yet. The Pegassi War is hardly a Patreus thing, it is Empire wide and so irrelevant when looking at our weekly successes or failures. The fact one Imperial system goes to Delaine is obviously a disappointment and we will fight to get it back, which is more than the feds are doing for their enslaved systems. That fault can not be laid at Patreus' door, the other Imperial powers failed too.
Economic changes are happening across the board. We have seen fort triggers come down in many systems over the past few cycles and more to come...
So what, we have not expanded for a while. One could also say we have not expanded into any more
systems that give us negative CC. Expansions will happen again, soon. We had Antal and Sirius knocking on our boarder last cycle which made life harder than it should have been... Considering those prep targets didn't happen for them and we fortified our most valuable systems and stayed out of turmoil with Cmdrs being distracted elsewhere, given our numbers and how it was starting to look, I would say we did pretty well.If you are lucky where you are, and where you will stay, well, you can see the things positive.
If this would be humans nature, we would still live in earth holes.
Looking to your Cycle 27 Objectives - nothing new there. Same procedure than every week. If you are lucky, why to change anything. You need just your followers who do all week long your fortification, and you will be lucky all your life.
Wait, Smei Tsu not on the top of the list. I see its end coming lol.
Edit: ah, there was 2 Imp systems in the last 3 weeks that we lost to Delaine, due to your phlegmetic.
If this would be humans nature, we would still live in earth holes.
Looking to your Cycle 27 Objectives - nothing new there. Same procedure than every week. If you are lucky, why to change anything. You need just your followers who do all week long your fortification, and you will be lucky all your life.
Wait, Smei Tsu not on the top of the list. I see its end coming lol.
Edit: ah, there was 2 Imp systems in the last 3 weeks that we lost to Delaine, due to your phlegmetic.
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"Wow I can't believe this is still raging. I only have a clipper and therefore cannot do Smei Tsu but I choose another on the list and do it. Really guys the "Leaders" are only giving what the numbers show but as we all know numbers show whatever we want. If you do not want to do Tsu don't, find another system and get on here with a positive request for others to help with that system and I am sure we will. I don't mind Tsu being in the list or for that matter the top of the list, there is always something else that can be done. Gusty get on here each week and lets hit your system with our clippers."
First of all, i dont have any "leaders". I am an independent selfthinking Cmdr, who trys to do the best for Patreus Power.
I can subscribe all you say in your post.
Just i think we should make a difference between the weekly and the long priorities.
Lets be honest, for what is a priority list like this week again for ? In my opinion it is for dummies, or just for the ego of the "leaders". Ok, it can help some new Cmdrs pledged to Patrues. But wouldnt it better to show them the data from all our systems, to help them to understand what they are doing ?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...NUHjguqey9JY/edit?pli=1#gid=185735328&vpid=R1
Than, the long term priorities.
I was writing some thoughts in the Cycle 27 thread.
As long nothing from our selfapointed "leaders". Every week the same list without any look to the future. Oh yes, BGS will help us to solve our problems. That simply wrong. BGS can be done from both sides.
Instead of thinking for some changes they blame ED for the PP mechanics. Thats just silly ! Will not help anything.
The shortview of our "planning team" has lead us exactly on the worst point into the button of the PP list. No more good systems for expansion and we cant chnage our economic situation.
If the followers of our "planning team" think it is wrong to loose Smei Tsu, what are their supposes for our future ? Sitting still, like the rabbit infront of a tiger ?
Edit: what i realy miss, is some fantasy and the will to change something, regarding to the future of Patreus.
First of all, i dont have any "leaders". I am an independent selfthinking Cmdr, who trys to do the best for Patreus Power.
I can subscribe all you say in your post.
Just i think we should make a difference between the weekly and the long priorities.
Lets be honest, for what is a priority list like this week again for ? In my opinion it is for dummies, or just for the ego of the "leaders". Ok, it can help some new Cmdrs pledged to Patrues. But wouldnt it better to show them the data from all our systems, to help them to understand what they are doing ?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...NUHjguqey9JY/edit?pli=1#gid=185735328&vpid=R1
Than, the long term priorities.
I was writing some thoughts in the Cycle 27 thread.
As long nothing from our selfapointed "leaders". Every week the same list without any look to the future. Oh yes, BGS will help us to solve our problems. That simply wrong. BGS can be done from both sides.
Instead of thinking for some changes they blame ED for the PP mechanics. Thats just silly ! Will not help anything.
The shortview of our "planning team" has lead us exactly on the worst point into the button of the PP list. No more good systems for expansion and we cant chnage our economic situation.
If the followers of our "planning team" think it is wrong to loose Smei Tsu, what are their supposes for our future ? Sitting still, like the rabbit infront of a tiger ?
Edit: what i realy miss, is some fantasy and the will to change something, regarding to the future of Patreus.
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Or perhaps for:
People who just want to go and play the game and help with powerplay but not have to trudge through mounds of data? I'm not sure it's entirely fair to call them 'dummies'.
Having a plan to try and co-ordinate strategy and try and make best use of resources?
Not everyone subscribes to or follows the suggestions and noone is forcing anyone to do so.
For those that are interested in seeing and understanding more of the data then great! If they want to and have time to look at all the data themselves and come to their own conclusions.
So why not have both? (a suggested priority list and also the data) That covers both those who want to delve into the detail and those that don't. Plus, the raw data gets posted up on the forums anyway.
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