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Nvidia and Intel are a bit more pricey but a Gtx 970 or 980 and a i7 4790k or i7 5930 or 5960 are alot more powerful and stable. Only thing Amd has going for them is the price. And you literally get what you pay for. I only tried an AMD Cpu once and sold it on kijiji in less that 6 months. And AMD Gpu dont have alot of the nice effects that comes with Nvidia.

Im not telling you what to do in anyway .. just giving my honest opinion, AMD always tries to double specs to make them more appealing but they never run as good as Intel at half the specs.

What "nice effects" are you talking about?

80 degrees plus on that gpu. thats ridiculous .. them cards are too hot.. i have an asus strix gtx 970 that maxes out every game and its better than that card and ive never hit over 65c..... and i have an i7 4770k with antec h20 khuler that doesnt go over 55c at full load..... All AMD products are way hotter and half the performance. im not a fan at all.

i would rather pay more money for faster better quality product'

I have a i5 3570 and this thing is like the surface of Venus even with one of the best air coolers money can buy, the NH-D14. I have never owned a CPU that is this hot, Intel or AMD.

The Asus DirectCUII R9 290 is 73C at load. This is lower than any other high-end Nvidia GPU with the exception of their newest Maxwell models. At around £30 cheaper than the 970 and with 3 free games (including Star Citizen, Alien Insurrection and Beyond Earth I believe), I'd take the extra power consumption I think. For sure the 970 is a good card but it's hardly a slam-dunk, they are basically tied in performance.
 
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There's been several people recommending an i5 or i7 over the AMD so I thought I'd put up an example of AMD processors in multi-threaded benches as ED is a multi-threaed application. As you can see the AMD processors do very well in such tests--

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-fx-9590-9370_6.html#sect0

...and here is a list of prices for i5's, i7's and FX CPU's at Newegg for value comparisons although I must say that if OP were to get a 9370 over an 8350, he'd need a very good board and good water cooling such as a Corsair H110

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...00005573 600213780&IsNodeId=1&IsPowerSearch=1

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181035
 
Ok so with AMD what is the difference between black and other versions of their chips?

Thanks chaps loads of good info to look into, at moment more questions than answers si I will be looking into it.
But I will be building a decent machine with thanks to you all
 
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I'm running this current setup...

Asus M5A 78Lm Plus Mobo
Athlon FX 4100 at 3600
8 GB DDR3 RAM
Geforce 550Ti 1GB Video

Would getting a 970 make much difference in my performance? I'm getting about 25fps in stations and 40 to 50 in space at 1920x1080 with medium and some high graphic settings.

Sorry to hijack your thread, but there's good stuff on here.

Nick
Huge difference. The 750ti isn't even in the same ballpark as the 970.
 
Why would you get a Radeon? Nvidia GPU's are faster with better drivers. Get an Asus Strix GTX970. Radeon cards are garbage, AMD developers couldn't write a working driver if their life depended on it.
 
Why would you get a Radeon? Nvidia GPU's are faster with better drivers. Get an Asus Strix GTX970. Radeon cards are garbage, AMD developers couldn't write a working driver if their life depended on it.

I have no issues at all with my Radeon drivers...they work great and the game looks spectacular on my card. I get 60-120FPS with all the bells and whistles turned on and the FOV turned up all the way....and as for speed, AMD and Nvidia are matched pretty closely at each price point. Usually whomever has the newest silicon is the one with a slight edge
 
Ok so with AMD what is the difference between black and other versions of their chips?

Thanks chaps loads of good info to look into, at moment more questions than answers si I will be looking into it.
But I will be building a decent machine with thanks to you all

Black edition chips have unlocked multipliers and are much easier to overclock
 
FWIW... Elite: Dangerous plays smoothly at high settings with a GTX 780M. Any halfway decent current generation card should run it maxed out at the 1080p your TV can handle. Basically the reason for the costly cards is to play stuff at 4K. At 1080, I doubt you'll have any CPU botlenecks either, so... whatever. More cores will help if you want to get seriously into video editing, as will RAM (one of the rare occasions it does help beyond 8-16 gig).

If you're using a TV as a display, might as well have a Blu-ray drive.
 
I doubt it, and if it did, it wouldn't be by much. CPU's are so far ahead of the gaming curve these days. I'm still running a four year old P67 with an i7-2600K because there is just no reason to upgrade yet.

Exactly right when it comes to Elite--it doesn't appear to be cpu bound much at all
 

6 month old article, from before the GK210 architecture was released at the high end.

So, I think you'll find it's Nvidia :)

OP: I have an FX 8350 combined with an Nvidia GTX 970 - no issues, and the game runs like an absolute dream. Rock solid 60 fps (probably higher, but I have Vsync on) at 5760 x 1080 (3 screens) with all details set to high. The GTX 970 really is the single best bang per buck graphics card out there at the moment, totally unbeatable.
 
6 month old article, from before the GK210 architecture was released at the high end.

So, I think you'll find it's Nvidia :)

If you use that single really poor synthetic benchmark then yes. Anywhere else will tell you that the fastest graphics card you can buy is the 295x2.

20 games - http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_980/26.html

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Note that the GTX980 isn't even in the same league. It's 60% slower.

You can check this too for a similar result - http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1187?vs=1351


OP: I have an FX 8350 combined with an Nvidia GTX 970 - no issues, and the game runs like an absolute dream. Rock solid 60 fps (probably higher, but I have Vsync on) at 5760 x 1080 (3 screens) with all details set to high. The GTX 970 really is the single best bang per buck graphics card out there at the moment, totally unbeatable.

Except it's not. The 290 is around the same speed and cheaper while coming with 3 very good, new games. It is clearly the superior "bang for buck" choice. In performance per Watt the new Maxwell cards are unbeatable, but that's not "bang for buck".

Incidentally, you might be interested in this - GTX 970 memory bug reportedly cripples performance in memory intensive scenarios

I realise this doesn't quite fit the bill of "Nvidia roxors AMD suxors", but hey ho. I'd be VERY wary of buying a 970 until this is fixed.
 
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Except it's not. The 290 is around the same speed and cheaper while coming with 3 very good, new games. It is clearly the superior "bang for buck" choice. In performance per Watt the new Maxwell cards are unbeatable, but that's not "bang for buck".

Incidentally, you might be interested in this - GTX 970 memory bug reportedly cripples performance in memory intensive scenarios




I realise this doesn't quite fit the bill of "Nvidia roxors AMD suxors", but hey ho. I'd be VERY wary of buying a 970 until this is fixed.



A quick check on Newegg shows several R9 290X's at around the same prices as the GTX 970, and the R9 290 coming in around $60-$80 buck cheaper.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...00473877 600473871&IsNodeId=1&IsPowerSearch=1
 
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If you use that single really poor synthetic benchmark then yes. Anywhere else will tell you that the fastest graphics card you can buy is the 295x2.

Well yes, if we're talking outrageously expensive dual-GPU-on-board cards at 4k resolutions - can't argue with that. I do agree that Passmark has taken it's fair share of stick as a comparison for years though - but it's good for a rough indication at least.

For single GPU solutions however, the article you quote...

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_980/26.html[/URL]

... makes a very good case for the 980 - at the more 'real world' resolutions (1600x900, 1920x1080), the 980 is only between 5% and 19% behind - for roughly 33% off of the price. The 970 is roughly 10% further back than that - for less than half the cost.

Note that the GTX980 isn't even in the same league. It's 60% slower.

You can check this too for a similar result - http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1187?vs=1351

Again, the point about well-above-average resolutions and prices counts there.

Except it's not. The 290 is around the same speed and cheaper while coming with 3 very good, new games. It is clearly the superior "bang for buck" choice. In performance per Watt the new Maxwell cards are unbeatable, but that's not "bang for buck".

Got to admit I had no idea the 290x had dropped so much in price - well, call me suitably educated then, I can't argue with that. 290x wins for bang per buck :)

Incidentally, you might be interested in this - GTX 970 memory bug reportedly cripples performance in memory intensive scenarios

I realise this doesn't quite fit the bill of "Nvidia roxors AMD suxors", but hey ho. I'd be VERY wary of buying a 970 until this is fixed.

Yeah, I did catch Nvidia's response on the issue earlier (http://www.pcper.com/news/Graphics-Cards/NVIDIA-Responds-GTX-970-35GB-Memory-Issue) - first time I've encountered it myself, hasn't affected me in the slightest. You might want to quantify those 'memory intensive scenarios' some? The average gamer punting £260ish on a graphics card likely won't be trying to force it to run 4k resolutions? My take on that article is that it essentially is a design compromise to save cost and time. Even Battlefield 4 seems to be perfectly happy cranked up at max settings for triple screen res for me, although I have yet to try Farcry 4, too many games to play!

Myself, I've come from crossfired AMD 7850s - so I'm no stranger to AMD's cards. I don't fanboy after either camp. I guess my opinion is flavoured by owning a 970, if I'd jumped up to a 290x I'd probably have been just as happy. Cost wise you're definitely right though - 290x before the GTX 970, lowest 290x I can find is about £20 cheaper and is roughly in the same ballpark as the GTX 980 for performance.
 
A quick check on Newegg shows several R9 290X's at around the same prices as the GTX 970, and the R9 290 coming in around $60-$80 buck cheaper.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...00473877 600473871&IsNodeId=1&IsPowerSearch=1

Yup as usual when you buy AMD you get faster at the same price or a little slower for quite a lot less. In the case of the 295x2 it's a little more than a 980 yet absolutely annihilates it in performance. I guarantee you that if somebody in this (or any other) forum asks for the best 4K Graphics cards, 90%+ of people will tell them to get a 980 (or two).

Nvidia's greatest asset is their fanboys ability to spread misinformation. AMD has been faster than Nvidia for something like 4 out of the past 5 years yet the misinformation continues. They even mocked Nvidia on their website by displaying a counter that went past 1000 days of them being fastest. The vast, vast majority of buyers are clueless about all of this because people keep propagating the lies.

Don't get me wrong - the Maxwell's are really nice graphics cards and Nvidia is going great guns just now, but AMD will always counter with a faster card at the same price. That's why they dominate "best card for the money" articles time and again.

Best Graphics Cards For The Money: January 2015
 
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