Pirates and Griefers

[Comrade Error]

CoD is not an open world where everyone have much choice in what activities to do. If you play CoD on a server, there is only pew pew to do, and you go into it knowing that.

The sad thing with sandbox games like ED, is that it does give certain people the fantasy to kill other people. People, in this case, is other players, of course. I, personally, have no interrest in killing other players, and I often find it amusing why a small portion of players actually likes and enjoys killing other players and ruining other players experience.

It would be interresting to hear why this is fun.... and also, if these players would find themself in an IRL situation... would they do the same thing? Stupid question, maybe but....

I RP as a Trader/Miner and Explorer. I have, many times tried to RP as a mean person in RPGs, but I can't do it... so, the way I play ED, and most games really, is very much the way I behave IRL, and, so far, I have not been mugged once in my 39 year long life, and I have not had to kill anyone yet.

Safe to say though, is that ED is a game, and in that game I have had many interractions with hostile NPCs. I met a griefer once (a player that is), during a CG, but I switched to Solo after that.

So, the curious question is... how much of the way you play a game is a reflection on you as a person IRL?

Finally... Why aren't PvP players playing CQC? I would argue that if you like CoD, then CQC should fit you like a glove.

Some random thoughts and my few cents on this matter...

OP... join Mobius (a player group where people are polite and kind to each other).

You go into ED knowing you also might get pewed at.

Can't speak for them.

As I said can't speak for them but I would imagine that most of them can differentiate between a video game and real life.

Cool but that don't mean that everyone who plays a game differently to how they would act in real life is morally corrupt.

Close to none. Many studies have been made that show that just because you play a violent game it does not mean you are going to shoot up a school.

Because I can't rob people in CQC can I now?

 

[Bosie]

CoD is not an open world where everyone have much choice in what activities to do. If you play CoD on a server, there is only pew pew to do, and you go into it knowing that.

The sad thing with sandbox games like ED, is that it does give certain people the fantasy to kill other people. People, in this case, is other players, of course. I, personally, have no interrest in killing other players, and I often find it amusing why a small portion of players actually likes and enjoys killing other players and ruining other players experience.

It would be interresting to hear why this is fun.... and also, if these players would find themself in an IRL situation... would they do the same thing? Stupid question, maybe but....

I RP as a Trader/Miner and Explorer. I have, many times tried to RP as a mean person in RPGs, but I can't do it... so, the way I play ED, and most games really, is very much the way I behave IRL, and, so far, I have not been mugged once in my 39 year long life, and I have not had to kill anyone yet.

Safe to say though, is that ED is a game, and in that game I have had many interractions with hostile NPCs. I met a griefer once (a player that is), during a CG, but I switched to Solo after that.

So, the curious question is... how much of the way you play a game is a reflection on you as a person IRL?

Finally... Why aren't PvP players playing CQC? I would argue that if you like CoD, then CQC should fit you like a glove.

Some random thoughts and my few cents on this matter...

OP... join Mobius (a player group where people are polite and kind to each other).

I pirate and kill other players. I also get killed. This is a game, not real life.

I'm not out to ruin another player's experience, I'm here to play a game. A game where sometimes I play a pirate or a guy looking for a fight. I get little joy out of killing an NPC but a player who fights back and has the chance of killing me, that is a different story.

Go watch Ed with the Code, see how he talks about his heart rate being elevated. Listen to him talk about how hard being a pirate is. That's why I do it. It's hard and it gets my heart rate going. fnarr fnarr

 

[Cupcake]

Like I said I want to play open for the chance of positive interactions with people. (The kind where both parties want to interact). But that doesn't mean im willing to be harassed. That's like telling someone "don't go outside your house." No. People should go outside and expect not to get attacked or mugged in the street.

And I never said anything about NPC's. Im talking about real players.

And you say MY way like im being selfish. It's the griefer who is selfish as their way forces someone else into the situation they don't want.

So stay out of open, cant have it all ways. I love the way the PvE crowd use the term "griefer" when they actually dont know what the hell it means

 

[Omgzzwtf]

Like I said I want to play open for the chance of positive interactions with people. (The kind where both parties want to interact). But that doesn't mean im willing to be harassed. That's like telling someone "don't go outside your house." No. People should go outside and expect not to get attacked or mugged in the street.

And I never said anything about NPC's. Im talking about real players.

And you say MY way like im being selfish. It's the griefer who is selfish as their way forces someone else into the situation they don't want.

Damn, man, sounds like you got a good RP for a law enforcement / bounty hunting player group. Here's my two cents, if you care. People are going to attack you in open, it's inevitable, but there are ways you can avoid it and still meet other CMDRs that don't want to shave your face off with lasers, make your home or trade routes away from hotspots like CG's, PP/faction capitals, high traffic systems, or do what I've seen others have suggested already, join Möbius, they as a player group of over 20,000 people and play almost exclusively on one private server. You will be able to play with like-minded people and not have to worry about anyone trying to kill you.

good luck

 

[verminstar]

So stay out of open, cant have it all ways. I love the way the PvE crowd use the term "griefer" when they actually dont know what the hell it means

A good benchmark fer me personally would be a player who intentionally goes after low lvl players who try to run but are chased down and killed without reason...even when said low lvl victim doesn't actually have guns fitted hence is no threat to anyone. To me, that's simply seal clubbing but griefing is a good word fer it too. Those who love pvp are not griefers because griefers specifically look for targets that can't fight back...pvprs prefer actually fighting each other. I'm a pvpr in other games but not this one ^^

 

[vikvegas]

I have some words for the OP to rethink his stance:

Your basic misconception is, that you believe you have the right to choose PvE or PvP. That is not true.

You only have the right to choose Solo, Private or Open. With this choice you accept the consequences. In open one consequence is to be attacked and be killed by other players. This is part of the rules of open given to us by the developers of this game. We/you have not the right to change these rules in anyway.

The only place to set your own rules is Private.

All your arguments are wrong, because they are based on the misconception above.

Then the rules need to change. ED is an evolving game. Much like Rocktar did with GTA Online, the devs should implement things to ensure players can choose who they interact with. Things like a passive mode, or things like stiff penalties for destroying ships.

I paid for this game. My need is to passively do courier missions on open play, and slowly earning credits while relaxing and enjoying the view, as well as be able to meet and chat to people (if that's what they desire).

My enjoyment doesn't directly force itself on anyone else. My need comes before the needs of a person who actively seeks to force direct interaction on an unwilling participant. If your pleasure comes from negatively effecting someone else then I'm sorry, but I choose not to cater to that and have no desire to interact with you.

Go and find someone who wants to engage in combat or go and fight the NPC's, go and play Arena, I don't really care, as long as I am left alone.

 

[xondk]

I pirate and kill other players. I also get killed. This is a game, not real life.

I'm not out to ruin another player's experience, I'm here to play a game. A game where sometimes I play a pirate or a guy looking for a fight. I get little joy out of killing an NPC but a player who fights back and has the chance of killing me, that is a different story.

Go watch Ed with the Code, see how he talks about his heart rate being elevated. Listen to him talk about how hard being a pirate is. That's why I do it. It's hard and it gets my heart rate going. fnarr fnarr

Cool, the problem is those that destroy people, and that fact of destroying someone else is what excites them, especially when it is someone that clearly can't defend themselves.

PvP is great, it is about as you said, getting excitement, the battle between two people, but where someone is just slaughtering defenceless people for no reason? that is the problem and persons that people want to avoid.

 

[jasonbarron]

Then the rules need to change. ED is an evolving game. Much like Rocktar did with GTA Online, the devs should implement things to ensure players can choose who they interact with. Things like a passive mode, or things like stiff penalties for destroying ships.

I paid for this game. My need is to passively do courier missions on open play, and slowly earning credits while relaxing and enjoying the view, as well as be able to meet and chat to people (if that's what they desire).

My enjoyment doesn't directly force itself on anyone else. My need comes before the needs of a person who actively seeks to force direct interaction on an unwilling participant. If your pleasure comes from negatively effecting someone else then I'm sorry, but I choose not to cater to that and have no desire to interact with you.

Go and find someone who wants to engage in combat or go and fight the NPC's, go and play Arena, I don't really care, as long as I am left alone.

No.

The dev's intended Open to be akin to the wild west where anything goes; you play in Open, peaceful trader, smuggler, cut throat pirate, you'll be exposed to the laws of the jungle.

The dev's already included a mode for what you're describing as the style you want to play. It's called Private Group.

The dev's have covered all the bases, and all you need to do is pick the mode that suits you best. If you INSIST on playing Open (and I hope you do as I personally believe it's the mode everybody should play in), then stop the damned whining and just accept that that's what Open is all about; not knowing what the intentions of your fellow CMDR's are.

 

[flyauburn41]

I enjoy flying around in peace and trading and doing courier missions. I enjoy open play as its always nice to bump into new people and say hello or chat.

What I don't want is to be attacked by some psycho. And to me a "pirate" is just as bad as a random player killer. You see the end result is the same for me, these people negatively effect my experience, and I do not wish to interact with them.

Now I understand that people like pvp. Fine. But is it really pvp combat when one person is unwilling participant?

Also there is the argument that people can play the game how they see fit. Well here is the thing. My way of playing only involves myself. Their way of playing drags in an unwilling person in order for them to have fun. This is nothing more than in game harassment and people doing this should be reported and banned. It is griefing.

Also to the "pirates" who do these people think they are, going around demanding people do stuff for them? They try and separate themselves from regular griefers, when in some ways, they are worse.

YARRRRR! Another one of these?!

Avast ye CMDR!

My advice: Git Gud or go to Solo, CareBear!

Otherwise, surrender the booty!!

 

[xondk]

YARRRRR! Another one of these?!

Avast ye CMDR!

My advice: Git Gud or go to Solo, CareBear!

Otherwise, surrender the booty!!

I just want to point out that my experience through many games now is that those that enjoy blowing others up that can't defend themselves (griefers) rarely are any good at the game they play and have often just gotten to a pure power difference, rather then any skill, just saying

Heck destroying a target that can't defend itself is about as easy as it gets, so yeah how about the pirates 'git gud' too?

 

[vikvegas]

I've noticed that as well. These people don't want to play Arena nor find a fair fight in open play. They want to attack weaker opponents. And the COD comparison is total non sense. COD is an Arena shooter where the goal is to fight others. It is balanced around that.

I'm sure that David Braben is a reasonable guy, and people are abusing what he intended the game to be. He wouldn't want a toxic environment where people are forced into interactions with others.

 

[flyauburn41]

I just want to point out that my experience through many games now is that those that enjoy blowing others up that can't defend themselves (griefers) rarely are any good at the game they play and have often just gotten to a pure power difference, rather then any skill, just saying

Heck destroying a target that can't defend itself is about as easy as it gets, so yeah how about the pirates 'git gud' too?

Considering successfully pirating another CMDR while evading the authorities and player bounty hunters is among the most difficult single task, if not the MOST difficult one in the game, I think any competent pirate Got Gud a long time ago.

So basically you're argument is utter crap.

See the latest Educating Ed with The Code to witness first hand Ed completely and utterly failing at this task like a noob rather than someone with 600 hours in the game.

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I've noticed that as well. These people don't want to play Arena nor find a fair fight in open play. They want to attack weaker opponents. And the COD comparison is total non sense. COD is an Arena shooter where the goal is to fight others. It is balanced around that.

I'm sure that David Braben is a reasonable guy, and people are abusing what he intended the game to be. He wouldn't want a toxic environment where people are forced into interactions with others.

Pirates are not PvPers unless we need to be. We don't fight fair by necessity. It's about getting in and getting out and making a small profit. Our ships have things like cargo scanners, hatch breaker limpets, collector limpets, etc. that limit the "meta"ness of our ships, unlike pure PvP players.

Also due to player bounty hunters or groups like AA, and especially now with the new faster security response and better AI, the fight is more than fair and usually the advantage is not on the side of the pirate.

So again this argument is uninformed and invalid.

Try it and see for yourself.

 

[vikvegas]

Well I suppose my last comment was unfairly directed at pirates, I was talking about the griefers. The people who will just attack and destroy someone for the fun of it. They have options like Arena or open play with willing opponents, but they choose to go after weaker opponents who want nothing to do with their style of play. This in unacceptable and I'm positive it will be addressed as the game progresses.

 

[Bosie]

Well I suppose my last comment was unfairly directed at pirates, I was talking about the griefers. The people who will just attack and destroy someone for the fun of it. They have options like Arena or open play with willing opponents, but they choose to go after weaker opponents who want nothing to do with their style of play. This in unacceptable and I'm positive it will be addressed as the game progresses.

Perhaps these people don't play CQC as they don't want to limit themselves to the small ships? No doubt some people who do this do it to feel "powerful" whilst others will do it for other reasons.

I know when I am looking for a fight I will pick on any and every player ship I see. Hell, just a few nights ago I was in my pirate fitted Cutter playing with a pair of PvP fitted Vettes. I had no chance of winning, but I went for the fight for anyway.

 

[Iskariot]

I enjoy flying around in peace and trading and doing courier missions. I enjoy open play as its always nice to bump into new people and say hello or chat.

What I don't want is to be attacked by some psycho. And to me a "pirate" is just as bad as a random player killer. You see the end result is the same for me, these people negatively effect my experience, and I do not wish to interact with them.

Now I understand that people like pvp. Fine. But is it really pvp combat when one person is unwilling participant?

Also there is the argument that people can play the game how they see fit. Well here is the thing. My way of playing only involves myself. Their way of playing drags in an unwilling person in order for them to have fun. This is nothing more than in game harassment and people doing this should be reported and banned. It is griefing.

Also to the "pirates" who do these people think they are, going around demanding people do stuff for them? They try and separate themselves from regular griefers, when in some ways, they are worse.

Actually you have no problem.

You said:

Also there is the argument that people can play the game how they see fit. Well here is the thing. My way of playing only involves myself.

Well, that solves it then. Doesnt it? You can play solo. Solo involves only yourself... and the game.
To me this seems the ideal mode for you.

Open is a free multiplayer mode. People play as soloists, people cooperate, people play pvp.
If you choose Open then there simply is a small risk of encountering human pirates, and player killers.

I am a soloist myself, but until the release of 2.1 I have always played Open 95% of the time.
I knew and accepted the risks as a fact of Open. I have been attacked by player killers myself only a few times. That is what it is.

 

[Troy_McClure]

This is the best part of the game...bullying cmdrs in Vultures, FASs, FDLs or in wings attacking my DBS coz I act like I'm an easy target..then getting their butts kicked - I very rarely initiate combat, unless I have a kill stolen in a RES..but I have 40 odd vids of a bunch of cmdrs wishing they'd picked on someone else!

 

[xondk]

Considering successfully pirating another CMDR while evading the authorities and player bounty hunters is among the most difficult single task, if not the MOST difficult one in the game, I think any competent pirate Got Gud a long time ago.

So basically you're argument is utter crap.

See the latest Educating Ed with The Code to witness first hand Ed completely and utterly failing at this task like a noob rather than someone with 600 hours in the game.

Nice aggressive-defensive reply there, read what I wrote, my statement was about those that destroy defenceless targets.
So no my statement is doing just fine and you are just feeling offended for some reason.

Pirates if anything should be discouraging the griefer behaviour, but so many many "pirates" do it popular pirates or not. And that's my point there's nothing challenging in just destroying a helpless target.

I've seen the some video, and I really do not see your point, last I checked this event was planned out at least according to the forum post made?
And again, try to read what I wrote, this is not about the actual pirates.
Yes, it requires teamwork and coordination to keep police forces away in a group fight like that, no question.

But we all know that most piracy doesn't happen in groups in the manner it does in the video, and if it is a group effort, it is a wing against a single target, target gets threatened, target drops cargo, since no shots hit them, police won't arrive (unless they trigger on interdictions now that I haven't checked), pirate gets cargo, pure profit for something the trader had to pay for, and that's it, or the scenario that griefers do, interdict someone, blow up, get no cargo, nothing to gather up, so gone way before police shows up, since destruction of defenceless targets take near no time?

So yeah, please don't just fire off an aggressive reply without reading

 

[Deleted member 115407]

I just built a pirate ship

 

[SnowyNI]

Just shows how poorly designed the game is. Open world games I've played start in pve mode and you have a choice to enter pvp or go to a pvp zone.

I blame the internet, as others have said, it's full of scumbags and bad multiplayer games with DRM. Dunno, maybe with Brexit we can get it banned in the UK.

 

[vikvegas]

David Braben is an intelligent guy who I have a lot of respect for. He made this incredible and mature game for people to enjoy, without imposing strict rules and promoting an "anything goes" environment. I agree with that much.

However, as many of the posts here have proved, a proportion of the player base seek to abuse that freedom. They simply can't cope with the freedom they have been given.

They have twisted it into meaning "well I will use this opportunity to grief and spoil the game for others lolol."

So now the devs are going to have to alter the mechanics and rules to combat players like this. It is unfortunate for the player base as a whole, as usual a few toxic people ruin it for everyone.