Planet aquarium or something like that

[Spiderhawk]

Hey yall
While watching The Aquarium, a great show about the Georgia aquarium I had a thought
While I see many posts suggesting PZ make a “marine mania” expansion, maybe they should make a separate game that is about building an aquarium with all features that a great aquarium would have. Let’s theoretically call it planet aquarium.
while I do support having pinnipeds and penguins in PZ, I think there should be a better focus of putting them in an aquarium builder.
Here’s some thoughts I have
Customizable exhibit tanks where you can determine their size and how many different species per tank and choose which species of fish, crustaceans, mollusks or whatever will be placed into said tank.
The species could range from Hawaiian, Caribbean, Red Sea, Great Barrier Reef, deep sea trench’s and so on.
Unlike PZ these critters aren’t bought individually they are purchased in batches and constantly renewed.
Now for the larger tanks I think they should be more like PZ adopting and construction. I’m thinking giant squid, whale sharks, sharks of all variety’s, sea turtles, one type of dolphin, belugas, sea otters, pinnipeds, penguins and rays of all kinds.
Themes I bet would be made would include “shipwreck“, underwater cave, “beach paradise” and tundra theme.
Other features I’d like to see are a IMAX theater for guest education as well as a live theater to see pinnipeds enrichment or live talks about certain animals as opposed to animal cruelty. And I think adding an area to your map to make a dolphin sanctuary where captive orcas and bottlenose are being acclimated and released into the oceans, that could help with conservation credits.
Finally I’d like to see education boards be bigger and cover issues in regards to the state of the oceans and what you can do to help.
Everything else such guest buildings should function as they do with PC and PZ
Thoughts suggestions please share

 

[Swjosdotschka]

No, honestly, I would prefer a big DLC for Planet Zoo, instead of a stand alone game. I would easily pay the price of the base game again for a large and fleshed out marine dlc and I'm not even into fish that much.

 

[NZFanatic]

I'd rather not have the open-air tanks they had in Zoo Tycoon in PZ. That's just nonsensical for chemically sensitive fish.

 

[ShadowLilly]

No, honestly, I would prefer a big DLC for Planet Zoo, instead of a stand alone game. I would easily pay the price of the base game again for a large and fleshed out marine dlc.

I agree with this....

 

[Spiderhawk]

I'd rather not have the open-air tanks they had in Zoo Tycoon in PZ. That's just nonsensical for chemically sensitive fish.

I was thinking open air for say belugas or any animal that would do better getting outside space
Everything else got to be covered or inside

 

[Kaan]

Yes. I would really prefer it as a DLC instead of a separate game. But I think a lot of things under intense stress.
Time, technical problems, slow development process...
If we are really going to have a Marine DLC it should be really big, the price doesn't matter, I'll pay a separate game fee. I wonder what the Frontier will really do. If people won't find it strange to have detailed aquariums in the zoo game, we can expect a big DLC. Because we need to get at least 15-20 animals. It would be a real torture to add sea animals to this game with 4-5 animal DLC packs. The first DLC pack should be big, after that, DLC packs containing 4-5 marine animals may appear once a year. and a much simpler tank system should really come to the game. water types such as ocean water, salt water should also be added, and related water filtration tanks should also come. It would really be great to combine Planet Zoo with aquariums. There is no need to make a separate game and divide the players. If it's a really big DLC, people will be ready to pay a separate game price anyway.

 

[SotF]

Yes. I would really prefer it as a DLC instead of a separate game. But I think a lot of things under intense stress.
Time, technical problems, slow development process...
If we are really going to have a Marine DLC it should be really big, the price doesn't matter, I'll pay a separate game fee. I wonder what the Frontier will really do. If people won't find it strange to have detailed aquariums in the zoo game, we can expect a big DLC. Because we need to get at least 15-20 animals. It would be a real torture to add sea animals to this game with 4-5 animal DLC packs. The first DLC pack should be big, after that, DLC packs containing 4-5 marine animals may appear once a year. and a much simpler tank system should really come to the game. water types such as ocean water, salt water should also be added, and related water filtration tanks should also come. It would really be great to combine Planet Zoo with aquariums. There is no need to make a separate game and divide the players. If it's a really big DLC, people will be ready to pay a separate game price anyway.

A full expansion thing there would be great for it.

Looking at things like JW:E, more of the campaign ones than animal packs there

 

[ElectricMonk]

I'd rather not have the open-air tanks they had in Zoo Tycoon in PZ. That's just nonsensical for chemically sensitive fish.

If Frontier did go the route of releasing a marine pack (I personally hope for penguins and pinnipeds but am less fussed about fish, octopus, crustaceans etc. and am positively against cetaceans in any form), some species can be kept in open air tanks - Melbourne Zoo, for instance, has various sharks and rays (and some bony fish) in an open air tank, i've seen rockpool touch tanks that are outside and open air, sea turtles are often kept outside (in suitable climates).

 

[NZFanatic]

I was thinking open air for say belugas or any animal that would do better getting outside space
Everything else got to be covered or inside

I wouldn't want belugas or any other whale or dolphin. Too many questions around the ethics of it.

If Frontier did go the route of releasing a marine pack (I personally hope for penguins and pinnipeds but am less fussed about fish, octopus, crustaceans etc. and am positively against cetaceans in any form), some species can be kept in open air tanks - Melbourne Zoo, for instance, has various sharks and rays (and some bony fish) in an open air tank, i've seen rockpool touch tanks that are outside and open air, sea turtles are often kept outside (in suitable climates).

Indeed, it's possible for some but not for all (rays and sharks are hardier fish than others, and also native to the waters around Melbourne and most of Australia, so the temperature issues aren't quite as intense).

I'm more referring to the ZT ability to have corals and all sorts growing in random, fully-glass tanks without any special facilities, along with fish that are more sensitive to chemical alterations in water. That said, small species would likely be little looping exhibit-like things I guess.

Whatever the case, like you I'm all for the addition of pinnipeds, penguins, and otters, as they can seamlessly fit in with current habitat design mechanics and are far more common in zoos.

 

[SotF]

If Frontier did go the route of releasing a marine pack (I personally hope for penguins and pinnipeds but am less fussed about fish, octopus, crustaceans etc. and am positively against cetaceans in any form), some species can be kept in open air tanks - Melbourne Zoo, for instance, has various sharks and rays (and some bony fish) in an open air tank, i've seen rockpool touch tanks that are outside and open air, sea turtles are often kept outside (in suitable climates).

Monterey Bey Aquarium has a pretty massive outdoor tank (If you've seen Star Trek IV, it's the aquarium in the movie), and several of them in warm areas have large outdoor tanks.

Like it or not, Sea World always has had them as well in it's various locations (not sure which ones are left...was kind of disappointed that when I would have been able to go to the one relatively close to me, my trip there was shortly after it shut down). There are also several that are indoor/outdoor in design where there's an indoor exhibit that links to an outdoor one or has things that close/open with the weather/temperature.

Some animals might need to be indoor or outdoor depending upon what environment your zoo/aquarium is in. A beluga wouldn't be that good outdoors in the heat, and a lot of the sea turtles would do horribly out in the colder regions...you might also have things like a desert/arid environment would be more expensive for aquariums, or at least outdoor ones, though might make more there due to dealing with the heat and upped water costs, but being something that's more of a draw.

 

[Kaan]

Some animals might need to be indoor or outdoor depending upon what environment your zoo/aquarium is in. A beluga wouldn't be that good outdoors in the heat, and a lot of the sea turtles would do horribly out in the colder regions...you might also have things like a desert/arid environment would be more expensive for aquariums, or at least outdoor ones, though might make more there due to dealing with the heat and upped water costs, but being something that's more of a draw.

Outdoor aquariums are better for most marine animals, especially marine mammals. But indoor aquarium / outdoor aquarium, why discuss this? Planet Zoo is an unlimited creative game.
This is an outdoor aquarium:

this is an indoor aquarium too:

It is not very difficult to do this, you can try
What is the point of having unreasonable arguments? What difference does indoor/outdoor make in a game like this?
already, exhibition-style system for small sea creatures will come. the tank system will only come for marine creatures such as beluga, dolphin, shark. Isn't it entirely a player's choice to make an indoor or outdoor aquarium for sharks? I do not understand what you want. Thanks to the system the game has, you cannot force anyone to do something specific. Anyone can build a closed aquarium, an open-air aquarium, why do you make this a problem? The game will already add a warning for marine animals that must be kept indoors, or Zoopedia will also use this information. The sea creatures that I think are better to keep indoors are just small sea creatures. Keeping a dolphin or a belugas in an indoor aquarium would really be cruel for that animal, they must come into direct contact with the air. But thanks to the system allowed by the game, players will want to make an indoor aquarium for Beluga again. So there is no point in discussing indoor / outdoor aquarium, this is the problem of the game.

 

[NL_Mutso]

The ideal situation for me in PZ would be creating something like this:

That basically sums up my request but I know a bit unlikely to happen.
But if this would be a completely different game - I would be happy too.
This has been discussed many times - the game doesn't run smoothly for a lot of people and I'm not convinced this to be included for that reason.

Whatever the case, like you I'm all for the addition of pinnipeds, penguins, and otters, as they can seamlessly fit in with current habitat design mechanics and are far more common in zoos.

I think the current habitat design mechanics part is mainly the reason why I think those animals will be added in the game at some point.
Can't imagine a complete zoo game without penguins.

 

[NZFanatic]

It is not very difficult to do this, you can try

Having the ability to do it has never been in question. It isn't fair to misrepresent people's arguments deliberately like that.

Everyone knows you can build indoor, enclosed habitats in the game - the question is around whether or not Frontier will create features which force you to. For a realistic aquarium, some species need to be kept enclosed to avoid water contamination and temperature fluctuation (the latter is often more important than the former). It's possible that Frontier might decide (if - and it is a big if - this feature ever made it into the game) to leave it up to individual creativity and add in Zoo Tycoon-style tanks anyway, but if they are aiming for realism (and we know that they are, even if they get some things wrong) then there would likely need to be some kind of system in place where aquarium habitats have to have a roof over their tops.

We can currently do that using the building pieces, but it is important to point out that the building pieces are accessories, and not tied to habitat construction at all. Individual animals can calculate whether they are inside a building due to the hard shelter requirement, but that's all. So in order to add a tank-building system that requires containment within a building, Frontier would essentially have to tie the building pieces to aquatic habitat construction.

And of course, this all hinges on the assumption that they would even make a fully-fledged aquatic animal pack. There's no evidence to suggest they would, beyond the frequent requests for one (I really don't understand why so many people talk about it as if it's a guarantee).

 

[Kaan]

@NZFanatic yeah, actually I was going to talk about that, remember the land animals requirements shelter, they can change this to the "closed-area" requirement for marine creatures. If small exhibition-style aquariums come, as you said, the exhibitions should have a roof option.

Belugas are more equipped for colder waters, and having them outdoors in a tropical exhibit area wouldn't be good for them, though the game could do it with chillers added to the exhibit.

Maybe a system we can adjust the water temperature... ahh never mind.

 

[HeatherG]

To prevent the deletion of half of this thread can we please calm this thread down. Everyone has opinions, and that is what the forum is for, but words like "arguments" and "demanding" etc just doesn't create a calm discussion. If we could please watch the wording of the posts. (Some posts have been edited)
Thank you!

 

[ShadowLilly]

Maybe a system we can adjust the water temperature... ahh never mind.

This would be a nice idea for the polar bears

 

[Kaan]

This would be a nice idea for the polar bears

I'm really curious about that actually. A system that we can adjust the water temperature can be added to the game.
An option can be added to the water filter section where we can also adjust the water temperature.
Is this system used in large aquariums ponds in real life? I've seen huge water filters to keep water clean or to get salt water, but I haven't seen a system where they regulate the temperature of the water. likewise I haven't seen it in zoos.

 

[HeatherG]

Update: A post was deleted by request so any responses to it were also deleted. Please just be mindful of how posts are worded. Thanks for understanding!

 

[SotF]

I'm really curious about that actually. A system that we can adjust the water temperature can be added to the game.
An option can be added to the water filter section where we can also adjust the water temperature.
Is this system used in large aquariums ponds in real life? I've seen huge water filters to keep water clean or to get salt water, but I haven't seen a system where they regulate the temperature of the water. likewise I haven't seen it in zoos.

Was mainly thinking of the costs for it, might be interesting to have chillers, heaters, and other similar options work for less cost and wear if you have a fully enclosed area compared to out in the open. Adding it would give different options for how you build exhibits...build an outdoor one, the exhibit is cheaper to build but costs more to run, while if you build an enclosed one, you have more upfront costs, but it's cheaper/easier in the long run.

 

[Firestar97]

I would also prefer a big Expansion Pack instead of a separate Game. There would be way more Options for the Zoos and they wouldn't need to solve Bugs again for a completely new Game.
I would like Career-Mode Scenarios to be included because there's a lot of Misinformation about Marine Animal Parks and the Game could teach about it this Way.

@NZFanatic yeah, actually I was going to talk about that, remember the land animals requirements shelter, they can change this to the "closed-area" requirement for marine creatures. If small exhibition-style aquariums come, as you said, the exhibitions should have a roof option.

Maybe a system we can adjust the water temperature... ahh never mind.

This would be really great. Maybe they could include a Option to buy a Water Filter with a integrated Cooler or Heater. It would also be nice if they could change it so that Coolers and Heaters have a bigger Range when they are inside a Building.