If we get the HBB and no EBB, I will simply pass away
Planet Zoo 2: Who's first in?
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I greatly doubt anyone would really complain if we just got a "brown bear" to represent the whole species.
You know, like 90% of animals in this game.
You know, like 90% of animals in this game.
That's what I want, getting the 8 generic bear species, without any subspecies.
My issue with the we can't have generic bears/tigers whatever is about the double standarts, like why brown bears, which most people can't tell subspecies apart need to be subspecie specific while the african buffalos are fine as a single animal despite both subspecies being nothing alike
I mean I’d prefer just getting two clones with minimal changes, but being their own unique additions. Is that much more effort? I’m not sure
Seconding this. Though if I'm reading this paper by Talenti et. al correctly, it would seem like forest buffaloes diverged from other members in the genus Syncerus ~1.5 million years ago. That's certainly enough grounds to consider them their own species at that point IMO.
My list in a nut shell:
Everything stays, except...
Everything stays, except...
- Bengal Tiger, replaced by Sumatran Tiger.
- Formosan Black Bear, replaced by Himalayan Black Bear.
- Himalayan Brown Bear, replaced by either Eurasian Brown Bear or Syrian Brown Bear.
- Timber Wolf, replaced by Northwestern Wolf.
- Black Wildebeest, gets cut...
- Farm Pack Animals, shipped to the slaughterhouse (the Alpaca can stay though)...
No thanks... a lot of the generic animals we already have do not fit a generic mold; Timber Wolf, Dama Gazelle, Takin...
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Easy solution, make them all variants. More bang for your buck without occupying limited space in a roster.
But that doesn't really work... different subspecies often come in different sizes and shapes, different needs and unique information files. If they're going to go to all that trouble to make a variant, they may as well just clone it and make a distinct animal... I have a hard time believing it would be that much more work...
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They all follow a general enough shape, as being subspecies they're always less distinct than differing species. Size variance is already a thing in PZ too. A variant just needs a different texture to appease people who put visuals over genetic research.
You continue to overlook the obvious... what you suggest is one step short of making a clone... so if they're going to take all that time and effort in making a variant, why not just take the next step and make a clone?
Because all that coding work is a lot more work than just making a new texture. New roster slot means new research, new zoopedia, new parameter modifications and the list goes on and on. That's a lot of needless busywork just to make something more restrictive for no good reason.
If they really intend to make proper variants, then this is all unavoidable...
Making a new texture does enough to establish representation for each subspecies. Let's look at American black bears for example. How many people would truthfully complain if their addition included variants to represent Kermode, cinnamon, and glacier subspecies all in the same animal?
Would be fine as just a generic Asian black bear
I think both black bears should be the generic species, but the browns should be grizzly and EBB
The American Black Bear is a very poor example; the various subspecies are so similar even people who know the difference probably wouldn't see one in game.
A better example; the African Buffalo you were talking about earlier.... the differences between the conventional African Buffalo and the African Forest Buffalo. Clearly very visually different, in size, shape and coloration. They come from very different habitats; one lives on the savanna, the other in the rainforest. How many people would truthfully complain if they simply made the latter a reskin of the former? I'd assume plenty...
And while we're on the subject of the Forest Buffalo, as you said earlier, there are some who feel it should be considered a distinct species... and it's hardly the only subspecies that has scientists thinking that. Well what happens if a subspecies variant is elevated to species status? Are they going to go back and remake it into a unique animal? Or leave it a variant, resulting in a very bad precedence; different species are now variants...
If there's reasonable enough genetic evidence to split subspecies into their own species (as potentially seen in forest buffaloes), then that warrants splitting them into their own roster slots. This is not something seen with lions, tigers, leopards, or brown bears.
Based on math I did once, I assumed PZ2 would have about 150 animals with 120-125 returners
