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Somehow Games Planet got more screenshots of the new animals https://us.gamesplanet.com/game/planet-zoo-americas-animal-pack-steam-key--4463-21
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I don't think I have expressed my feelings about this, but I'm so happy that the bighorn looks good.
I'm glad they got the horn shape right, it's more circular and thicker compared to the thinner and more spiralling horns of the Dall Sheep. Can't wait to look at both side by side in game
 
You know, maybe the problem with exhibit animals is that one per pack never felt like enough... Especially knowing Frontier's uhm.... "Questionable" track record with them.

Usually, DLCs add the more iconic or representative habitat animals of a given region or biome, often including the big ticket sellers; having 4-7 animals also helps in offering something for everyone. For example:
• South America Pack had the jaguar, anteater, llama, and capuchin (though any monkey would have been good; South America just needed a monkey in its lineup; Capuchins are perhaps the most well-known or even the most "generic").
• Southeast Asia, our first animal pack, had somewhat more obscure critters, but still kind of known by the general public: the "human in a bear costume" (which, being a bear, is a great selling point to the average person), "nose monkey", "self-impaling pig" and the like.
• Africa had the rhino, meerkat, fennec fox, and penguin. Basically zoo essentials
• Oceania had all the iconic Oceanian animals we were still missing, plus the quokka... Which is definitely not an obscure animal with its huge internet fame.

With exhibit animals though... You just never know. There are a LOT of heavy hitters that could fit into a Planet Zoo exhibit, animals that definitely work for the exhibit format without any modifications... And yet, most of the time we end up getting random bugs or small critters that are often far from what the fans have asked for. Also, having only one exhibit animal significantly lowers the chances of satisfying everyone's demands. Let me give a few examples of what I mean:
• South America Pack could have included anything: the first animal that comes to mind is the Green Anaconda, a true icon of the Amazon river basin; it's large enough to be noticeable in a 4mx4m exhibit - perhaps even too large. Well, then any turtle, lizard (Basilisk?), or snake could have worked... And instead we got the Red-Eyed Tree Frog. Fair enough, frogs are fairly representative of the Amazon, and the Red-Eyed Tree Frog definitely stands out from the two other Amazon frogs we had.
• Southeast Asia could have finally brought us the long-awaited cobra, an animal nearly everyone has been unanimously asking for since base game; it even had its own statue in the India set... But no, we got the leaf insect. Sure, it's fine, but it's not really what most people wanted or expected from Southeast Asia, which is notorious for its snake diversity (pythons, cobras, vipers...)
• Africa is in a similar situation... The Black Mamba would have been a perfect inclusion, and a cobra would have worked perfectly with the North Africa theme; the addition of a chameleon would have brought another heavily requested animal to the game... But no, we got the dung beetle. It works perfectly with the theme of the pieces and it has very unique features, coming with its own custom exhibit and dung rolling animations, but again: it's not exactly what most people want or expect.
• Oceania had even more options: since the walkthrough exhibit was introduced less than a year ago, the possibilities were endless. We could have gotten the (slightly infamous) Lord Howe Island Stick Insect, which was rejected from the Australia Pack; we could have gotten the Tuatara, adding to the New Zealand representation; we could have gotten more butterflies from New Guinea and the like; we could have gotten a new Australian critter, like a snake or a lizard; we could have gotten birds...? But no, we got a bat. It's not the end of the world, flying foxes as a whole are widespread in Oceania with a huge variety of species... But we got the spectacled flying fox, which has virtually no captive presence, is incredibly obscure, and isn't even all that suited for a walkthrough exhibit in real life (that's what a few Australian people told me, but that's besides the point).

In the end, I feel like this attitude of Frontier towards exhibit animals is based on the (often true) assumption that nobody will care too much about exhibits. You just plop down the box, throw in the animals and call it a day. Still, having two exhibits per pack would have increased our exhibit roster while adding more representation to each biome/region, and at the same time it would have allowed for some heavily requested animals to finally make their way into the roster without necessarily having to sacrifice the weird bugs and critters.


[TLDR: bugs cool but snakes cooler. 2 exhibits per pack better]
Bring. Back. Exhibit. Animals. Please.
So many common and well known critters are straight up missing.
Cobra, Chameleon, Praying Mantis, Leaf-Cutter Ants, King Snake, Coral Snake, Pit Vipers, Horned Lizard, Basilisk, Frilled Lizard, Green Anaconda, Pythons, Toads, Snakeneck Turtles, Diving Beetles, Stick Insects, Katydids, Sheltopusik, Geckos, Millipedes, Vampire Crabs, Coconut Crabs, and so much more
 
They already rushed PC2 somehow. If they launch another half bakes game, they definately can call their company off, they would not survive that financially
The launch is everything to a game. I don't even know if JWE3 is gonna do well. I mean, I have 0 interest in that game, I think it should've just been JWE2. What extra would they bring into JWE3 that they couldn't bring into JWE2?
 
• Oceania had even more options: since the walkthrough exhibit was introduced less than a year ago, the possibilities were endless. We could have gotten the (slightly infamous) Lord Howe Island Stick Insect, which was rejected from the Australia Pack; we could have gotten the Tuatara, adding to the New Zealand representation; we could have gotten more butterflies from New Guinea and the like; we could have gotten a new Australian critter, like a snake or a lizard; we could have gotten birds...? But no, we got a bat. It's not the end of the world, flying foxes as a whole are widespread in Oceania with a huge variety of species... But we got the spectacled flying fox, which has virtually no captive presence, is incredibly obscure, and isn't even all that suited for a walkthrough exhibit in real life (that's what a few Australian people told me, but that's besides the point).
The spectacled flying-fox is in a funny position for me. It's my favourite exhibit animal in the entire game because I love bats and adore having a realistic bat option to use when building an Australian zoo (they share the spot of second-most widely kept flying-fox in Aus zoos with black flying-fox with 5 holdings, beat out by the grey-headed flying-fox with 9+ holdings), and it's also the most threatened species of Australian flying-fox so I appreciate its representation in that regard. Plus, I think they're one of the prettiest flying-fox species:

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However, even despite this being my favourite exhibit animal, I would definitely have chosen the tuatara over it if I had designed the pack myself, getting all three essential NZ species (that are viable for inclusion in PZ) in one DLC would have been incredible and made the pack all the more stronger. More than anything this makes me wish we got two or more exhibit animals per DLC (as may have been the original plan based on Australia Pack concept art) because while I think the tuatara is a far more important inclusion and should have been the species chosen, I also always really wanted (and never thought we'd get) an Australian bat species in PZ after we got the fruit bat and even if we got both the tuatara and flying-fox, the flying-fox would still be my favourite.

Also in regards to the walkthrough thing, I don't know if any of the currently held spectacled flying-foxes are displayed in walkthroughs but I have been in grey-headed flying-fox walkthroughs and don't think spectacleds would be all that different in that regard. Still I usually prefer to display them as non-walkthrough as that's more common for flying-foxes in Australia in my experience.
 
You guys complaining about exhibit decorations should just pretend your favorite animals are inside the box... it's not like you can tell the difference from any distance.
 
I'm thinking something like the modular building from the Planet series. As well as more in-depth animal behaviors
No one would buy this unfortunately, those guys love dinosaurs and don't care about the building. I am willing to bet that Cenozoic Extinct Animals or Semi-Aquatic Dinosaurs in habitats will be added like woolly mammoth or the deinosuchus
 
At this point I'm just happy we're getting another DLC. Looking forward to this one, especially the ocelot.
This is the positive mindset I'm trying to have despite my gripes with the pack. Planet Coaster only had 7 standard $10 DLC packs (I think) and I think the majority of the Planet Zoo community was anticipating around the same, maybe a tad more. It's funny looking back on those days now that we have 18 (now 19 and potentially 20) DLC packs. It's pretty insane support has gone on this long and only with these more recent DLCs have we seen a slight decrease in quality.
(Although I guess there's a lot more potential for DLC content with zoo animals compared to coasters)
 
Conspiracy theory time.
The way the ocelot climbs in this image (the one on the log, in the background) reminds me a lot of the way the tiger climbs. My first reaction when I saw it was literally: "wait that's the tiger"
Every single promotional text involving the ocelot (the announcement on the forums, the Steam page, the social media reveal) mentions how the ocelot is "equally at home in water, on land or in trees"...
Maybe, since it kinda looks like it could be based on the big cat rig, and since the fact that they love water is often brought up, just maybe, they gave the ocelot deep swimming animations - just like the tigers and the jaguar.

I'm pretty sure this won't be the case, but it would be cool

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Maybe?
But honestly, would they really need those? Don't get me wrong, anything "extra" at this point is a plus, but it would leave me a bitter taste if they prioritised that over tweaking the rig and those anims to make them more unique to ocelot and not just a big cat.
I think it's likely that they did that though, we'll see.

But, how many ocelot exhibits have deep swimming areas? And would you associate these animals with deep diving, even in nature? I'm not very knowledgeable but I don't think it's common at all.
 
Conspiracy theory time.
The way the ocelot climbs in this image (the one on the log, in the background) reminds me a lot of the way the tiger climbs. My first reaction when I saw it was literally: "wait that's the tiger"
Every single promotional text involving the ocelot (the announcement on the forums, the Steam page, the social media reveal) mentions how the ocelot is "equally at home in water, on land or in trees"...
Maybe, since it kinda looks like it could be based on the big cat rig, and since the fact that they love water is often brought up, just maybe, they gave the ocelot deep swimming animations - just like the tigers and the jaguar.

I'm pretty sure this won't be the case, but it would be cool

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To be honest, their side view really looks like a big cat like a tiger. The muscles and bones are very strong. Also... can ocelots dive? I don't know much about this cat family, but considering that there are two large cats in South America + North America, and they are widely distributed. Should the relatively small tiger cat live more in trees?
 
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