Planet Zoo Predictions

[Stressed Primate]

Then there have to be a separate game featuring zoos for extinct ones like dinosaurs, mammoths and dodos. There's already Prehistoric Kingdom being like that but of different developer. Jurassic World Evolution was Frontier Development game too but creatures there had inaccurate body parts so the other zoo game will/could have accurate ways.

Not necessarily, people who would like extinct animals in their zoo could still have them alongside still existing animals if they're part of dlc, and I think there's a bunch of species that would make sense more than other. Basically the more recent the extinction, the less problematic it would be. The problem is that most people would not have the same definition of how far you can go before it's too much.

I'd say the possible lines would be:

1. species has been studied by modern zoologists, we have photographic or video recordings (thycaline, Bali/Java/Caspian tigers, passenger pigeon, quagga...)
2. species has been described/drawn in details by naturalists, we have stuffed animals (Falkland islands wolf, dodo, great auk...)
3. species has been described by Ancient or Medieval authors whose writings have survived to this day, can be identified on Ancient or Medieval graphic representations, or is still part of oral stories in which they can be clearly identified (South Island giant moa, Haast's eagle, aurochs...)
4. species has been confirmed to have interacted with humans before written records (cave lion, cave bear, mammoth, whooly rhinoceros, Irish elk, megatherium...)
5. species lived during the Cenozoic era (smilodon, paraceratherium, dire wolf, gastornis, hell pig...)
6. species lived earlier than the Cenozoic era (any non avian dinosaur, pterosaurs, carboniferous giant arthropods.......)

Personally, the extreme limit for me is somewhere around 3 and everything beyond that should be part of an entirely different game.

 

[Marvinb]

species has been confirmed to have interacted with humans before written records (cave lion, cave bear, mammoth, whooly rhinoceros, Irish elk, megatherium...)

Mammoth actually should have still been around when writing became a thing.
They were still alive in some isolated pockets when the great pyramids where been build, and i assume writing was already a thing by that point.
No clue if anything from that time survived to the modern day tho, kinda doubt it actually

 

[Mjmannella]

Not necessarily, people who would like extinct animals in their zoo could still have them alongside still existing animals if they're part of dlc, and I think there's a bunch of species that would make sense more than other. Basically the more recent the extinction, the less problematic it would be. The problem is that most people would not have the same definition of how far you can go before it's too much.

I'd say the possible lines would be:

1. species has been studied by modern zoologists, we have photographic or video recordings (thycaline, Bali/Java/Caspian tigers, passenger pigeon, quagga...)
2. species has been described/drawn in details by naturalists, we have stuffed animals (Falkland islands wolf, dodo, great auk...)
3. species has been described by Ancient or Medieval authors whose writings have survived to this day, can be identified on Ancient or Medieval graphic representations, or is still part of oral stories in which they can be clearly identified (South Island giant moa, Haast's eagle, aurochs...)
4. species has been confirmed to have interacted with humans before written records (cave lion, cave bear, mammoth, whooly rhinoceros, Irish elk, megatherium...)
5. species lived during the Cenozoic era (smilodon, paraceratherium, dire wolf, gastornis, hell pig...)
6. species lived earlier than the Cenozoic era (any non avian dinosaur, pterosaurs, carboniferous giant arthropods.......)

Personally, the extreme limit for me is somewhere around 3 and everything beyond that should be part of an entirely different game.

I'd prefer extinct taxa from the current Holocene epoch, as they were part of today's now incomplete ecosystems. Fortunately, that condensed timeframe gives a lot of fun options!

 

[Stressed Primate]

Mammoth actually should have still been around when writing became a thing.
They were still alive in some isolated pockets when the great pyramids where been build, and i assume writing was already a thing by that point.
No clue if anything from that time survived to the modern day tho, kinda doubt it actually

Just because writing existed somewhere on the planet doesn't mean they interacted with a civlisation using the writing system. If I'm not mistaken, their range was limited to a secluded island along the Siberian coast by this point and I don't think any Egyptian scribe ventured in those regions

I'd prefer extinct taxa from the current Holocene epoch, as they were part of today's now incomplete ecosystems. Fortunately, that condensed timeframe gives a lot of fun options!

Yeah, so I guess you would be somewhere between 4 and 5?

 

[Jeminyne]

I don't know if extinct animals will be included, but if they are I expect them to only be part of dlc's entirely focused on them. I think some people would really dislike this idea and not want to have to pay for content they don't want in the game.
On the other hand, with Barnyard already being part of PZ1, I think PZ2 might include more domesticated animals in the base game.

That’s what I was thinking too. Something that’s not integral or there early in support, but eventually gets some DLC packs to squeeze money out of people who want it. (Honestly I wouldn’t mind making a Pleistocene park, though it wouldn’t be high on my list.)

 

[Stressed Primate]

That’s what I was thinking too. Something that’s not integral or there early in support, but eventually gets some DLC packs to squeeze money out of people who want it. (Honestly I wouldn’t mind making a Pleistocene park, though it wouldn’t be high on my list.)

Yeah, for what it's worth I think an extinct animal pack could even work on PZ1 (though it would probably be quite unpopular if it's the very last pack...)
On the other hand, flying or fully aquatic habitat animals would probably need a PZ2 to be implemented and would need to be part of the base game.

 

[Artemisya]

Just because writing existed somewhere on the planet doesn't mean they interacted with a civlisation using the writing system. If I'm not mistaken, their range was limited to a secluded island along the Siberian coast by this point and I don't think any Egyptian scribe ventured in those regions


Yeah, so I guess you would be somewhere between 4 and 5?

We have a lot of sources from the time of the Great Pyramids (around 4,600 years ago), but we also have written sources from even earliernot just in Egypt, but also in Mesopotamia. Some of the earliest, like the Sumerian Kish tablet, date back to around 5,500 years ago. However, as far as I know, there are no references to animals like mammoths. That doesn't mean they didn’t exist or that writing didn’t appear in other parts of the world at the same time or even earlier. We know so much about Egypt because the climate is ideal for preserving artifacts. This is why most of the surviving information actually comes from southern Egypt (which today would be considered Middle Egypt), and also because Egyptians wrote in stone.

Even if we found a single artifact with markings, we would need many more to prove it was part of a writing system. Translating it would be almost impossible. The reason we’re able to translate hieroglyphs is because we found the Rosetta Stone, which has the same text written in three languages, and because we have the Coptic language, which gives us clues about grammar, vocabulary, and pronunciation.

f the woolly mammoths survived on fhe coast of Siberia, until about 1650 BCE, writing was not limited to Egypt or Mesopotamia. For example, there was pre-classical Greece, and commerce and trade spread ideas across regions. But I would look more into ancient china

We do have texts that reference animals we haven’t been able to identify, and they might even belong to species that are still alive. Even the god Anubis is debated in terms of what animal he was associated with, and the god Seth is still unknown.

But if you want to go really deep, we have this image from the tomb of Rekhmire (from 2,500 years ago) showing a 'tribute' (probably trade). We can see an animal that some people have identified as a dwarf mammoth some a dwarf elephant some a real mammoth......

you can see it better here: https://collectionapi.metmuseum.org/api/collection/v1/iiif/544615/1170011/main-image

 

[Stressed Primate]

We have a lot of sources from the time of the Great Pyramids (around 4,600 years ago), but we also have written sources from even earliernot just in Egypt, but also in Mesopotamia. Some of the earliest, like the Sumerian Kish tablet, date back to around 5,500 years ago. However, as far as I know, there are no references to animals like mammoths. That doesn't mean they didn’t exist or that writing didn’t appear in other parts of the world at the same time or even earlier. We know so much about Egypt because the climate is ideal for preserving artifacts. This is why most of the surviving information actually comes from southern Egypt (which today would be considered Middle Egypt), and also because Egyptians wrote in stone.

Even if we found a single artifact with markings, we would need many more to prove it was part of a writing system. Translating it would be almost impossible. The reason we’re able to translate hieroglyphs is because we found the Rosetta Stone, which has the same text written in three languages, and because we have the Coptic language, which gives us clues about grammar, vocabulary, and pronunciation.

f the woolly mammoths survived on fhe coast of Siberia, until about 1650 BCE, writing was not limited to Egypt or Mesopotamia. For example, there was pre-classical Greece, and commerce and trade spread ideas across regions. But I would look more into ancient china

We do have texts that reference animals we haven’t been able to identify, and they might even belong to species that are still alive. Even the god Anubis is debated in terms of what animal he was associated with, and the god Seth is still unknown.

But if you want to go really deep, we have this image from the tomb of Rekhmire (from 2,500 years ago) showing a 'tribute' (probably trade). We can see an animal that some people have identified as a dwarf mammoth some a dwarf elephant some a real mammoth......

you can see it better here: https://collectionapi.metmuseum.org/api/collection/v1/iiif/544615/1170011/main-image

Eh... Thanks for the info dump, but I still think all of this is a little bit too much in the "possibly maybe" cathegory to put the mammoth in a list of species that were unequivoqually described or represented in Ancient times in sources that survived to this day. At the very best, it's a grey area.

 

[Artemisya]

Eh... Thanks for the info dump, but I still think all of this is a little bit too much in the "possibly maybe" cathegory to put the mammoth in a list of species that were unequivoqually described or represented in Ancient times in sources that survived to this day. At the very best, it's a grey area.

oh for sure at this point its just a funny possibility nothing more