player created ship Decals

I think there should be some sort of decal designer in game.
i think that each decal should have an in-game credit cost once created, and then be submitted to the powers that be for approval prior to being made available to your account to apply to your ships.

failing that even if it was made available to buy from the store, so everyone could purchase it if required.

submission for approval would stop the inappropriate decals from appearing on ships.


this, armroed core and APB have such thinsg and they are OLD. So why these things aren't state of the art is just a sad answer to get. At leats, GTA V has something similar as well. FD could also monetise this, in APB you need to have premium to fully access the entire complexity of the deisgner.

Regardless of age rating, Frontier isn't responsible for stuff other players do/create inside the game with tools they have available for them. Other vice the game would be 18+ because people can draw stuff to asteroids with weapons. Forza (forza has ESRB rating of E everybody which is lower than elite as elite has T teen rating) is great example of a game that allow total customization. Same goes with Minecraft and lego worlds.


frontier is only responsible tochekc that epopel don'T make stupid stuff with it. So when someone flies with an inappropiate symbol, other palyers could report him and then FD can act. if they have 300 ppl at FD they can surely do what other muchs maller studios cna do already as well.

TBH, Elite should even have the levels of APB's car customisation on ships, then it woudl be a real amazing game. Blaze your own trail, but to it in our rather crappy basic skins we give you for 5€- yeah well, that feels very much like "my own trail". Beeing able to truly customise the ships with decals woul be personalising them a lot more and peopel would recognize others by their visuals. But that Elite will never have.
 
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This should be a thing. As is the only player group I've ever seen have a ship decal was the Wolves of Jonai since a buddy of mine joined them. But player made ship decals should just be a thing, not just tied to a group. It would have to naturally be submitted for approval to make sure it's nothing obscene but really player stuff should be allowed.
 
The thing that really gips me is that every faction that participated in the original Dangerous Games lineup has their faction logo in the game.. only it's not turned on. By faction I mean the individual factions.. like Diamond Frogs, EIC, Adle's Armada, etc. Yeah, the big coalitions that took part in the games actually did get theirs released to participants but I want my minor faction decale!
 
Regardless of age rating, Frontier isn't responsible for stuff other players do/create inside the game with tools they have available for them. Other vice the game would be 18+ because people can draw stuff to asteroids with weapons. Forza (forza has ESRB rating of E everybody which is lower than elite as elite has T teen rating) is great example of a game that allow total customization. Same goes with Minecraft and lego worlds.

You're partially correct, but so is Tarman.

I've been a "content creator" on several "open" platforms where users can create and upload "stuff" to multiplayer worlds. Legally, the situation can get quite complex. What follows is not legal advice, because I'm not a lawyer - just somebody who has worked with these kind of issues professionally under the laws of multiple countries.

As far as "tender sensibilities" are concerned, to escape the most onerous provisions of game ratings a game company has to do two things. First, they must state in their ToS that it is unacceptable to upload content that violates the rating assigned to the game and must interpret that under the laws of the country in which they are based. They must NOT (unless they are stupid) do any kind of pre-approval for this when items are first uploaded because then they are taking editorial control and they expose themselves to legal liability if somebody disagrees with their interpretation. The second thing they can (and MUST) do is put in place a means for users to report content that THEY feel is offensive or inappropriate and undertake to promptly remove said content if that complaint is upheld. That takes care of the "moral police" - They will almost certainly err on the side of caution in adjudicating such complaints, so as not to skirt the boundaries of what might result in liability. Anyone complaining "my decal wasn't offensive!" will run smack into the brick wall of a ToS clause that contains the tactical nuke of legalese "...in our sole discretion and without recourse or compensation..." (I know it doesn't exactly make sense for them to say that when they jump through hoops to avoid taking any editorial control up front but its the way the law forces them to do it if they want to avoid the traps in the next bit.)

The other reason they cannot take editorial control concerns copyright and trademarks. If you upload a decal you must assert to FD that you have the rights to do so and they must take your word for it. If your artwork is 100% original without resembling any published work or trademarked logo, you're golden. If you use any published source material that isn't in the public domain you'd better be certain that the rights you have to it allow you not only to publish derivative works in your own right but to grant FD the right to reproduce it and use it in the game. I've seen a LOT of creators come unstuck on this one where their rights would allow personal use but they got sued because how they used the derivative works involved granting rights to a third party (in this case FD) that they were not legally allowed to. If FD are storing your uploaded decal and serving it to other players clients, under copyright law that is reproduction and distribution. If somebody tells FD "I own the copyright on X and your user has uploaded it in an infringing manner" then FD MUST take it down until the matter is resolved (possibly in court) between the claimant and you - or THEY could end up as a party to the lawsuit. Often, such disputes - at least where they cover rights to source material of derivative works for which some rights have already been granted - can be resolved out of court which is just as well, because copyright litigation is HORRIBLY complex and expensive! Nevertheless, that is why FD would be disclaiming all editorial control and removing all disputed content until the dispute is resolved. They want no part of the dispute and need it resolved between the uploader and the person claiming their rights are being infringed. If you think that's bad, we haven't even got to trademarks yet.

Anything that looks too much like a trademark, or like somebodies product is in a world of hurt. Copyright has enough grey areas in it that both sides can manage "not to look" as long as they remain on relatively good terms and the technical infringement doesn't negatively impact the rights owner. Trademarks are different. A trademark (whether registered or not) HAS to be defended legally or it loses its trademark status. Perhaps the most visible example of this is how "Hoover" became synonymous with "Vacuum Cleaner" - Only the company logo retains legal trademark status today because they didn't defend the name. If what you upload looks too similar to a company logo or like an image of one of their signature products they HAVE to send out a "cease and desist" and sue you if you don't comply, or they could lose trademark protection on that logo or product. If you thought FD would go and hide in the nearest black hole at the thought of getting caught up in a copyright squabble, just imagine what their lawyers would tell them about getting snarled in trademark disputes.
 
PAY FOR IT? Past games gladly allowed the user to create and import their own. No price or transaction is required. Otherwise it's nothing but a perpetuated scam on FDs part. Like some authority policing the sidewalks and charging the homeless for picking cig butts to smoke out of the cracks. By FDs logic there is no problem with that. Laugh please.
 
The work done by Fdev is simply subpar. There I said it.

If you were to hand off that work to the community we could do far more amazing things. In every aspect of this game. Dialogue, paint jobs, voice work. WE CAN DO IT BETTER THAN YOU CAN FRONTIER.
 
The thing that really gips me is that every faction that participated in the original Dangerous Games lineup has their faction logo in the game.. only it's not turned on. By faction I mean the individual factions.. like Diamond Frogs, EIC, Adle's Armada, etc. Yeah, the big coalitions that took part in the games actually did get theirs released to participants but I want my minor faction decale!

My friend and fellow starship enterprising commander Grim lordz has all of those decals.. dunno why he got em and i didn't :mad:
some of them are really cool.

So what I am hearing in general is:... You don't get a decal unless you do something super prestigious that will attract more players / earn frontier some extra money...

Okay then! how do I do that?? lol
David Braben.. are you reading this? got any ideas for me?
how about i skip the prestige and just make a large (medium) donation to frontier... will that get Paul immortalized?

by the way.. If you are interested in Paul the Space Octopus or how he came into being please check out the story on
starshipenterprises.uk

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The work done by Fdev is simply subpar. There I said it.

no no I agree wholeheartedly... as I am sure the devs know from my many.. manymanymanymany Emails to them.
pretty sure they have a folder now that holds a small (medium) novels worth of content.

I LOVE this game.. but the thing i love the MOST about it is the back and forth between the community and the developers.
That is why I start these threads... not to have a go but to suggest ideas.. I am sure if we make enough of a ruckus regarding an idea we all want then they will respond in kind.

so.... howmanymexicans does it take to inundate the frontier community department with think tank suggestions...
just one
 
The thing that really gips me is that every faction that participated in the original Dangerous Games lineup has their faction logo in the game.. only it's not turned on. By faction I mean the individual factions.. like Diamond Frogs, EIC, Adle's Armada, etc. Yeah, the big coalitions that took part in the games actually did get theirs released to participants but I want my minor faction decale!

My faction participated in the Dangerous Games and this is the first I've heard of that. I must admit that's quite a depressing thing to hear.
 
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I would only agree to player created decals if they cost at least $20.00 non-refundable for each submission. If yours is disapproved, you can always send another $20.00. ;)
 
no reason for player created decals - no chance to outdo Spore, excessively small chance to outdo GTA V, why be a forgettable 3rd?
 
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