Players attacking players just for the salt

Riverside

Riverside
Jmanis said:
Just to be clear, we're talking in- game physical violence right? RL would definitely be bannable.

In- game psychological warfare, yeah that's fair game. EVE is great for that with AFK cloakies in alliance turf :D
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In a game yes. I have no interest in discussing IRL stuff on this forum. Games are, or can be a release. I play games & do other activities to 'escape' real world pressures, to relax and occupy my mind. A lot of people do.
 

ShadowWanderer

ShadowWanderer
I assumed that the so called "griefers" have some RL deficiency and there is something fundamentally wrong with them (kids excluded - puberty is something that will pass in time). Some of the replies here convince me I was not wrong.
 

Pigletslastand

Pigletslastand
ShadowWanderer said:
I assumed that the so called "griefers" have some RL deficiency and there is something fundamentally wrong with them (kids excluded - puberty is something that will pass in time). Some of the replies here convince me I was not wrong.
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Careful not to get modded for addressing the person instead of the subject.
 

ShadowWanderer

ShadowWanderer
Pigletslastand said:
Careful not to get modded for addressing the person instead of the subject.
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I was not addressing anybody in particular. In general, if anybody derives fun explicitly from causing discomfort to others, how else would you call it ? That there is something fundamentally wrong with him.

On the other hand, if this is the outlet for such people, than we can be thankful they do not "snap" in RL and just vent in this game. They are very easy to deal with when you know how.
 

Pigletslastand

Pigletslastand
ShadowWanderer said:
I was not addressing anybody in particular. In general, if anybody derives fun explicitly from causing discomfort to others, how else would you call it ? That there is something fundamentally wrong with him.

On the other hand, if this is the outlet for such people, than we can be thankful they do not "snap" in RL and just vent in this game. They are very easy to deal with when you know how.
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Those type of people are all around you and in every game. I don't know what joy they get from it either.
 

photomankc

photomankc
ShadowWanderer said:
I assumed that the so called "griefers" have some RL deficiency and there is something fundamentally wrong with them (kids excluded - puberty is something that will pass in time). Some of the replies here convince me I was not wrong.
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Pigletslastand said:
Careful not to get modded for addressing the person instead of the subject.
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"Like what I like or you're a mentally deficient" -- Yeah, I could see that.


It's a video game. One where armed spaceships jet around shooting at each other like WWII fighters and people can choose to do that cooperatively or antagonistically. That people might act in that environment at opposition to their daily life and personality should not be at all surprising, nor that a considerable contingent of people just like to irritate others. You have about as much chance of knowing someone's personal traits through an online MMO as you do from reading a postcard.
 

ShadowWanderer

ShadowWanderer
photomankc said:
"Like what I like or you're a mentally deficient" -- Yeah, I could see that.


It's a video game. One where armed spaceships jet around shooting at each other like WWII fighters and people can choose to do that cooperatively or antagonistically. That people might act in that environment at opposition to their daily life and personality should not be at all surprising, nor that a considerable contingent of people just like to irritate others. You have about as much chance of knowing someone's personal traits through an online MMO as you do from reading a postcard.
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I strongly disagree with the first sentence.
And regarding Elite, if the game was a space shooting game, there would be no “griefers” here, as the whole point of the game would be shooting on other ships. Anybody expecting to not to be shot upon in such a game would be…. naive, to say it politely.

And for “knowing someone’s personal trait” - I was talking in general terms, not about specific player names. And I stand by what I said - if somene derives fun explicitly by causing discomfort to others (no matter where it is), there IS something fundamentally wrong with him.
 

Bigmaec

Bigmaec
ShadowWanderer said:
I strongly disagree with the first sentence.
And regarding Elite, if the game was a space shooting game, there would be no “griefers” here, as the whole point of the game would be shooting on other ships. Anybody expecting to not to be shot upon in such a game would be…. naive, to say it politely.

And for “knowing someone’s personal trait” - I was talking in general terms, not about specific player names. And I stand by what I said - if somene derives fun explicitly by causing discomfort to others (no matter where it is), there IS something fundamentally wrong with him.
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Every ship is armed and shielded by default, and it's advertised for the game.
Denying Elite is a space shooting game is equally naive, to say it politely.
 

Greasetrap42

Greasetrap42
Pigletslastand said:
There has to exist something out there that'll kill you if you don't take the right precautions to make it more spicy.

All the NPC threats can be avoided however. It's good for the game to have some very real threats that you are just a single, very insignificant cog in a dangerous galaxy, not a massively omnipotent entity that can't be hurt by ordinary weapons.
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Weird that the only significant unpredictable unplanned threat in the galaxy comes from fellow members of the Pilots Federation.

What should new players fear when building their first cool ship? -> Pilots Federation.
What should I fear when flying my fully laden T9? -> Pilots Federation.
What should I fear when I bring my paper thin exploration ship after months of deep space travel? -> Pilots Federation.
What should I fear when I am flying 20,000LY outside the bubble? -> Nothing.
 

Bigmaec

Bigmaec
Greasetrap42 said:
Weird that the only significant unpredictable unplanned threat in the galaxy comes from fellow members of the Pilots Federation.

What should new players fear when building their first cool ship? -> Pilots Federation.
What should I fear when flying my fully laden T9? -> Pilots Federation.
What should I fear when I bring my paper thin exploration ship after months of deep space travel? -> Pilots Federation.
What should I fear when I am flying 20,000LY outside the bubble? -> Distant Ganks :LOL:
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FTFY

Also this is why we need an Anti-pilots federation, with different perks and different gameplay, and sys sec having a meaning.
 

ShadowWanderer

ShadowWanderer
Bigmaec said:
Every ship is armed and shielded by default, and it's advertised for the game.
Denying Elite is a space shooting game is equally naive, to say it politely.
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Just because every ship is armed by default does not make it a space shooting game.
By having a falus by default does not justify me to copulate with every woman that catches my eye.

Btw. - Star Wars Squadrons is a space shooting game. ED is not.
 
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Greasetrap42

Greasetrap42
ShadowWanderer said:
Just because every ship is armed by default does not make it a space shooting game.
By having a falus by default does not justify me to copulate with every woman that catches my eye.
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Yes, but just like your gender parts you use weapons in some situations and not others.
Bad analogy, because falling through with it some games would be having you use your gender parts in ALL situations.

Is ED a dedicated spaceship shooter game? No
Are players required to focus on spaceship combat? No
Are large aspects of ED focused on spaceship combat? Yes
Can players mostly focus on spaceship combat? Yes

To fit in a genre a game doesn't need to have only one singular activity.
 

Pigletslastand

Pigletslastand
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It's not not a space shooting game either.
 

Jukelo

Jukelo
ShadowWanderer said:
Meaning ?
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That since the beginning of Elite as a series of video games, it was always about shooting spaceships.
ED offers some more variety with regards to the contexts in which you get to do it (trading, mining, BHing etc...) but it's still at its core a game about shooting spaceships.
 
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ShadowWanderer

ShadowWanderer
Pigletslastand said:
That is a terrible analogy and quite a disturbing connection to make.. as you are equating a legitamate gameplay loop with the R word and that is not funny and not kind to sufferers of it, Please find a better analogy.

And yes, in open be expected to be attacked at any opportunity and for no reason. Have you read the book that came with Elite in 1984? His father was killed by an unkown assassin seemingly for no reason. it's the backbone of the story. David Braben himself has openly acknowledged that people are free to do so and does not want it stopped. This is Elite in Open, it's dangerous. Prepare accordingly.
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The analogy is kinda spot on. And yes, I am prepared to be attacked in the open, which means I cannot be griefed. Only annoyed (menu log, block, back to open).
I have no problem by the fighting facet of the game. It is part of it. Just as trade, exploration, mining, siding with a superpower/faction or anything you can think of. Anything goes while it is fun and enjoyable. As I stated in my earlier post, the problem is when the whole point of fun for somebody is disrupting the fun of others.

If you are not that kind of person, we should have no disagreement. I can play and enjoy the game without engaging in fight with other players and other players can play the game and enjoy it withou i.e. traveling to Beagle Point.

Just because a large aspect of the game is about exploration, it should not be expected of the players to fly around the entire galaxy. They can, or they don't have to.
 
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