Please address the price inflation of the Franchise Animal Market.

Balwick

Balwick
Prices are out of control, and obtaining animals for your zoo is nigh impossible without specifically pursuing mass breeding like a puppy mill.

This is exacerbated when there are literally 0 animals for sale for Cash, or from Frontier Zoo at more accessible prices.

For example, currently the cheapest female Ring Tailed Lemur is 11.4 years old, with 0 fertility, and costs 2130 CC. The only female Bornean Orangutan available is 49.8 years old and costs 10,000 CC.

This is not new feedback - I know the community warned you about this during the beta. I love Planet Zoo, but this is miserable to see.
 

NL_Mutso

NL_Mutso
A bit curious, what do you mean with address/what would you like to see?

If you think this is bad, quite a few people actually want breeding rates lower - so the market will become more expensive.
 

Hyawehb

Hyawehb
"there are literally 0 animals for sale for Cash " I confirm. I thought I had some bug when I came back in the franchise mod to try it out... How is that possible to play in the franchise mod when you can't even start a zoo and buy some animals at first....
I think you really need to control a little more the price people are making.

And how is it possible we can't buy any animal with cash?
 

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Balwick

Balwick
NL_Mutso said:
A bit curious, what do you mean with address/what would you like to see?

If you think this is bad, quite a few people actually want breeding rates lower - so the market will become more expensive.
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A consistent supply of animals from Frontier Zoo would do wonders to help regulate the market, and mean only high rated animals need be massively expensive.

I'm also a believer that there need be an algorithm that restricts pricing to a certain range, dependent on species, gender, age, fertility etc. I have no problem with people wanting a lot of CC for their gold ticket animals, but a near dead orangutan with entirely average stats, should not be the only option, nor cost anywhere near that much.
 

Kai

Kai
Balwick said:
A consistent supply of animals from Frontier Zoo would do wonders to help regulate the market, and mean only high rated animals need be massively expensive.
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There is normally a steady supply of animals from Frontier Zoo, it just seems to be broken at the moment.
 

Balwick

Balwick
Kai said:
There is normally a steady supply of animals from Frontier Zoo, it just seems to be broken at the moment.
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It has always been too little to regulate the lower end of the market. Too many players are picking at far too few animals every minute, even when the system is working.
 

Kai

Kai
Balwick said:
It has always been too little to regulate the lower end of the market. Too many players are picking at far too few animals every minute, even when the system is working.
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I always felt the frontier animals are listed separately for each player. I could wait 30 seconds looking at stats when buying the cheap Frontier Zoo gorillas (so long as I didn't refesh the page). No way I could wait around that long if it was only 2-4 animals for every player online.
 

Balwick

Balwick
Kai said:
I always felt the frontier animals are listed separately for each player. I could wait 30 seconds looking at stats when buying the cheap Frontier Zoo gorillas (so long as I didn't refesh the page). No way I could wait around that long if it was only 2-4 animals for every player online.
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They are shared. Sometimes they're gone within seconds of being generated, it just depends if that particular animal is on anyone's radar at the time. A localised market from Frontier Zoo would be nice.
 

Agathorn

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Really isn't anything to address. As long as they insist on an open player market with no control this is what will happen. The only question is if this is what Frontier wants or not. If they want a 100% open player controlled market then this is GOING to be a thing. In a year from now EVERYTHING will be 10,000CC (since that is the highest you can list for).

If they DON'T want this then the only way it will ever change is if the market has artificial limits placed on it such as capping prices based on genetics, age, etc.
 

Kai

Kai
Agathorn said:
Really isn't anything to address. As long as they insist on an open player market with no control this is what will happen. The only question is if this is what Frontier wants or not. If they want a 100% open player controlled market then this is GOING to be a thing. In a year from now EVERYTHING will be 10,000CC (since that is the highest you can list for).

If they DON'T want this then the only way it will ever change is if the market has artificial limits placed on it such as capping prices based on genetics, age, etc.
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Problem is, if the animals don't sell for significantly more on the market then people will just wild release everything because it's easier.
Not that I think people should be able to sell animals past a certain age. Low immunity/fertility animals have their uses.
 

NL_Mutso

NL_Mutso
Balwick said:
A consistent supply of animals from Frontier Zoo would do wonders to help regulate the market, and mean only high rated animals need be massively expensive.

I'm also a believer that there need be an algorithm that restricts pricing to a certain range, dependent on species, gender, age, fertility etc. I have no problem with people wanting a lot of CC for their gold ticket animals, but a near dead orangutan with entirely average stats, should not be the only option, nor cost anywhere near that much.
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I think it's bugged for today/this weekend.. Haven't seen any Frontier zoo one yet..
I don't think stats should be a factor. Maybe people want a 'bad' elephant just for exhibit and not for breeding.

I have no problem with limitation on pricing when it comes to the age..
 

Kai

Kai
Agathorn said:
Yeah I expect only high quality animals for the most part to be on the market.
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Then we get people complaining everything is too expensive and they can't afford to buy anything. :rolleyes:

Could work if there were a lot more Frontier Zoo animal listings, I suppose.
 

Agathorn

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Kai said:
Then we get people complaining everything is too expensive and they can't afford to buy anything. :rolleyes:
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Well that's what the frontier zoo animals are supposed to be for, and we're already in that position anyway. The difference is you should be able to get decent CC from releasing lower quality animals to then purchase the higher quality ones.
 

avietar

avietar
Kai said:
Problem is, if the animals don't sell for significantly more on the market then people will just wild release everything because it's easier.
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Yes, that's what I do honestly. I breed lots of silver and gold quality tigers, lions, wildebeest, springbok, nyalas. But I almost always release them into the wild. It gives me immediate CC and I don't have to go through the trouble of figuring out a reasonable price that's more than what releasing them would get me. I do still sometimes put an animal up for sale... but often nobody buys, so I don't bother anymore.
For instance, I currently have a gold tiger with 100 fertility, 83 longevity, 75 size, 66 immunity, everything is in the green. I've put him up for sale multiple times but no buyers. There's only so much patience I have. Maybe someone will at some point buy him for 1000 CC, but honestly... I'd rather take 900 CC that I get immediately by releasing him. I'm sure it's like that for many people.
With all my wildebeest and springbok and nyalas I don't even wonder about selling. I only ever release. And then at some point I need a new unrelated alpha male, and I'm looking at the gold wildebeest available and people ask 400 CC... and I think OK, maybe I need to try that because I have all these quality wildebeest that I just keep releasing. But when I put one up for 250 CC nobody buys :unsure:

Wow okay, this kind of sounded like a whiny rant. It's really not, I'm totally fine with people not buying! I get by VERY well by just releasing animals and collecting CC that way. :cool: But I guess I just wanted to illustrate that yes, you are right. Releasing is far easier and a guarantee of quick CC.
 

Hyawehb

Hyawehb
According to genetics, age of the animal and also availability on the market, there should be a limit the player can't reach for a price. So at least it will be more fair and nothing would be exagerated. And it would be more realistic.
 

Averalorax

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I agree that buying animals for cash can sometimes be extremely frustrating, especially when dealing with the multi-click to register issue. But I think one of the bigger issues with the Frontier cash animals is that those who don't need to buy the cash animals and then those who don't have the CC for the pricier animals cannot buy any. I will admit, even with my established zoo, I will occasionally buy an animal for cash, but I try to keep it to the extreme occasional.

What I would like, is to be able to list some of my lesser quality, but still fertile, animals for cash instead of CC, to give starter zoos a chance.

As for the CC pricing? I try not to pay the extremely high prices, but getting a fertile animal at more reasonable prices can be frustrating. But I don't address the fixing of this either. When I need to remove an animal from my zoo, I tend to release to the wild, simply because it is easier. Just 1 click to choose and 1 to accept. No keeping track to see if the animal has sold or not. And my trading center has the space available very quickly. If I do send the animal to the market, I do the lazy method (generally) and just keep the suggested price, or nudge it up a little bit (5-25 CC).
 

peon2t

P
Can't confirm.
And disagree.

Today I've seen a lot of mid-tier animals for cash in the market. And even some high-tiers. For some species I'd even say that the constant spawn of "cash-animals" with good genetics ruins the CC market.
And I'm not talking about all the low-tier stuff that exists en masse for 10, 20 CP or cash anyway...
(Why should anybody buy a female buffalo, if there are six new female buffalos spawn for cash like every half minute? And even males spawn regularly, if you wait a bit. That's what currently happens.)

Besides this: For a lot of species, the market is so overloaded by player bred animals, that the actual market prices are already way below the price that the game suggests. For example tigers, lions and stuff like this... the game suggests that they have a value of ~ 500 - 800 CP (by the prices it recommends)... but actually you can be glad if you can sell them for 250.

If they start flooding the market even more with cheap generated animals, the whole point of the franchise market gets lost.

I mean I see that it's totally necessary to have low-tier animals basically for free, so that new players who only have a few hundred CP can start their zoos. But I don't see, why the more attractive stuff has to get even easier to acquire.
 
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