Please don't attack defenseless...
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You live in a sad world. I feel sorry for you. One day maybe you will learn the errors in your ways.
I lost track of who vs who hours ago.
I feel sorry for you. You live in a world of hate and insults. Maybe one day you can step into the light.
OK, so I don't particularly have a dog in this hunt, plus I'm fashionably late to the party, (such is the way of my people), and I certainly don't know anything about this Cotton/Nader persona, beyond what's in this thread. I certainly don't know his personal agenda/motivation as my mind reading skills are somewhat lacking.
However, and please feel free to tell me how wrong I am, I may actually be horribly wrong, here's a hypothetical: Let's assume a player X, who starts the game RP'ing a ruthless murderer of innocent CMDRs . Let's say he chooses to name this character "Murderhobo" . Needless to say, this can't help but build up some justifiable animosity towards this particular CMDR.
After a while, he decides it might be fun to play as a law-abiding CMDR, maybe he's tired of being hunted and hated, maybe he just wants to see how the other half lives. I've done that in traditional RPGs, as a matter of fact I do it all the time (if the game is good enough that it deserves a replay, of course). So our purely hypothetical player, X, buys an alt or resets his save, whereupon he starts his new career as CMDR "Snuggles", doing nothing that might upset anybody, toeing the Lawful Line...
Now, my question is this, just like @Phisto Sobanii , I assume (and please correct me if I'm assuming too much here, Phisto): How is relentlessly hunting down and griefing CMDR "Snuggles" because of the crimes his old persona, CMDR "Murderhobo", committed NOT a borderline TOSsable "stalking and harassment" offense. And, if so, why not?
Sorry for intruding in this fascinating debate, I'll just see myself out.
However, and please feel free to tell me how wrong I am, I may actually be horribly wrong, here's a hypothetical: Let's assume a player X, who starts the game RP'ing a ruthless murderer of innocent CMDRs . Let's say he chooses to name this character "Murderhobo" . Needless to say, this can't help but build up some justifiable animosity towards this particular CMDR.
After a while, he decides it might be fun to play as a law-abiding CMDR, maybe he's tired of being hunted and hated, maybe he just wants to see how the other half lives. I've done that in traditional RPGs, as a matter of fact I do it all the time (if the game is good enough that it deserves a replay, of course). So our purely hypothetical player, X, buys an alt or resets his save, whereupon he starts his new career as CMDR "Snuggles", doing nothing that might upset anybody, toeing the Lawful Line...
Now, my question is this, just like @Phisto Sobanii , I assume (and please correct me if I'm assuming too much here, Phisto): How is relentlessly hunting down and griefing CMDR "Snuggles" because of the crimes his old persona, CMDR "Murderhobo", committed NOT a borderline TOSsable "stalking and harassment" offense. And, if so, why not?
Sorry for intruding in this fascinating debate, I'll just see myself out.
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No, you've actually come to the very heart of the matter: the fact that the player him or herself is being targeted, and not their character. And it's quite poor roleplay as well, since the aggressor is imposing their own flimsy interpretation upon another player ("your alt is actually a criminal alias!") to justify attacking said player (gankers who claim "oh, my character is a psychopath" are at least following the RP convention of only interpreting their own characters).
Of course, the game's rules allow one player to attack another for any or no reason, so that isn't really the issue. But like someone whose go-to tactics involve preemptive block lists and knee-jerk menu-logging, it's an extremely sketch way to play.
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Thanks. I'm glad to know that, for once in my career as a frequenter of online fora, I'm not actually talking out my, er, youknowwhat. I have a tendency to do that at times
This would be a stretch, at least as far as I know, Georgie got destroyed once.
So, while your scenario is useful in absolute, it doesn't apply verbatim in this particular case.
Also, if we are going down the route of "but what about the ToS" and judging folks on that basis, then it would be useful to take a look into whether or not this is indeed the explanation for why this even happened in the first place (see my explanation about why sometimes it's the player, not the character, that triggers a reaction because they might have crossed the line).
I would note that outlaws have it easy if we only consider intent, they can just pretend that they went after someone's alt because they gank "everyone".
So, it makes more sense to first focus on the behaviors, actions (in light of the code of conduct / ToS), then the motives, rather than focusing on an intent (perceived or not). I can say that I'm going to do [ToS bannable offense] but unless I actually do it, there is no valid case against me.
Oh, I think I stressed that I don't know anything about the particulars on this one case, it was more of a hypothetical to illustrate my take on the real matter at hand (to me at least), which is how it can be considered a Good Thing™ to hunt down one persona for the crimes of one of this alter egos. At that point, it becomes entirely too personal, in my opinion.
As to the ToS, I only mentioned it because I think that it fits rather well with this whole personal vendetta angle. It's not like the ToS are being enforced that much anyway and, in my mind, it's probably better for the game overall. I can all too easily imagine how wide open to abuse it would be if FDev started enforcing it down to the letter.
As to the ToS, I only mentioned it because I think that it fits rather well with this whole personal vendetta angle. It's not like the ToS are being enforced that much anyway and, in my mind, it's probably better for the game overall. I can all too easily imagine how wide open to abuse it would be if FDev started enforcing it down to the letter.
btw about tos and code of conduct violations, how ur witch hunting campaign about blocking is going? why did you stop it? Or whats about mass reporting and brigading threats? You mention tos when you want and violate it in the same time bruh.
Also claiming random player as someones alt is completely a new lvl of justification that gives spear an opportunity to gank seal clubbers. Cannot wait for propaganda videos with comp of killed "alts" on starter ships.
And I glad that you remembered DG2. It's the best example of spear incompetence, you claimed that you will protect the expedition but the only one real protection was advice to combat log (;
Also claiming random player as someones alt is completely a new lvl of justification that gives spear an opportunity to gank seal clubbers. Cannot wait for propaganda videos with comp of killed "alts" on starter ships.
And I glad that you remembered DG2. It's the best example of spear incompetence, you claimed that you will protect the expedition but the only one real protection was advice to combat log (;
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Nobody knows about the motivation of that particular commander, except the player himself.
nor was the motivation ever questioned, this is just another blamable attempt.
Akuma was quite clear about it and I don’t see any other interpretation. He is chasing the player behind the screen, nothing else.
not being able to differ between real live and game and call such Most toxic behaviour „role play“ ...well. Freaky? Spooky? Weird? Insane?
nor was the motivation ever questioned, this is just another blamable attempt.
Akuma was quite clear about it and I don’t see any other interpretation. He is chasing the player behind the screen, nothing else.
not being able to differ between real live and game and call such Most toxic behaviour „role play“ ...well. Freaky? Spooky? Weird? Insane?
I need to say that it is really refreshing to see, that there changed absolutely nothing from times of old Freelancer game in regards of players behaviour. That's grand.
For months, folks have been spreading lies and harassing our members with "Spear abusing tactical blocking" claims.
And now, you come here with grand accusations about us breaking the ToS?!
Seriously...
Didn't expect to see six extra pages of embarrassment this morning.
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As far as I can tell, you seem to be salty that outlaws have a better sense of humour than you.
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