Please fix the Binturong model

Note: I am basing this off our first look at the Binturong.

In my opinion this is by far the worst Planet Zoo has to offer and its extremely disappointing. Where to start, they are WAAAY too chunky compared to the actual animal, the face is too rounded, the colouring is fine to me not the most accurate but nothing to really complain about, but those ear tufts..... don't even get me started, I am not sure why this was considered a good idea, maybe the engine limits them with this but that doesn't look like fur... it looks like someone glued black triangles to the ears, they look closer to horns than hair tufts.

Frontier please, please, please re-work this model, so many people were stoked for the Binturong and this does not do it justice. STOP trying to make everything "cute" and sacrifice accuracy, if people love these animals then they love them the way they are in life, you don't need to try to make them cuter for people to love them.
 
It looks too cute, it looks too much like Red Panda, fix this critter (if possible) remove the ear-like forms and make it ugly-wildly furred like in real life, not that straight. This is the reason these zoo-games never will get Crested Porcupines, they can't make such creatures yet...

Frontier are good people, I'm sure they listen to you, and all people on facebook who are angry about it.
 
It looks too cute, it looks too much like Red Panda, fix this critter (if possible) remove the ear-like forms and make it ugly-wildly furred like in real life, not that straight. This is the reason these zoo-games never will get Crested Porcupines, they can't make such creatures yet...

Frontier are good people, I'm sure they listen to you, and all people on facebook who are angry about it.

It seems pretty clear it’s just a reskin of the Red Panda. It’s extremely disappointing that not a single one of these animals appears to be a new model. I’m having a hard justifying $10 on 8 reskins and a timed scenario.
 
It seems pretty clear it’s just a reskin of the Red Panda. It’s extremely disappointing that not a single one of these animals appears to be a new model. I’m having a hard justifying $10 on 8 reskins and a timed scenario.
I'm sure Proboscis Monkey and Babirusa aren't reskins? I don't think the Panther is a reskin as the Leopard isn't in the game yet, the only other climbing cat.
 
I'm sure Proboscis Monkey and Babirusa aren't reskins? I don't think the Panther is a reskin as the Leopard isn't in the game yet, the only other climbing cat.

Probiscus monkey is the macaque with a nose, babirusa is the boar with some more tusks, and the clouded leopard is the Jaguar.
 
Didn't they make new rigs for the koala and kangaroo? What was stopping them from doing a new rig for the binturong?I understand reusing assets is cost effective and a time saver but I might be passing on this pack, which is a shame because the sunbear, leaf insect and clouded leopard look incredible. I think if it was a time crunch the community at large really wouldn't have had an issue with the pack taking a longer time to release.
 
Usually, I like to give Frontier the benefit of the doubt on most things and I try to look at the good in everything, but this has crossed the line. I first opened Instagram and saw that screenshot of the Binturong, I was so disappointed. If they simply made it skinnier and changed nothing else it would be totally acceptable. Regardless, I'm gonna add these little guys into my zoos (and put them on a diet!)

Something did cross my mind though. It's quite simple...

Normal DLC: QUALity over QUANtity
Animal Pack: QUANtity over QUALity

I know its frustrating, but this is what you wanted, sorta. I was always, and will always be in favor of the normal DLCs, even before this DLC was announced. The scenery pieces sometimes make the whole pack. This is why the Australia Pack is still my favorite pack Frontier has made for Planet Zoo. The animals are really good too (the Cassowary is my favorite in the game, and Dingo top 10), and the scenery and foliage pieces are incredible. So, you have to weigh it out, would you rather have less higher quality animals than more slightly less quality animals. I still think they should make more of these packs like a North America one, an African one, and an Avian one. And I think they still should make some more of the orginal DLC though.
 
Same model, same animation, just a bit different skin. That's what reskin is to me.
If something uses the same rig or animation, yet have different model and such, I call that reused or recycled.

I'm sure at least cloudrd leopard isn't 'a jaguar', and proboscis monkey isn't 'a macaque with a nose'.

An yet, binturong does need some workout.
 
Something did cross my mind though. It's quite simple...

Normal DLC: QUALity over QUANtity
Animal Pack: QUANtity over QUALity
This does seem to be the case if you're just looking at the binturong and to an extent the tapir, but it really doesn't feel like it ought to be. We're getting three additional animals instead of all of the usual building pieces, so it's not like we're strictly getting more content in this release. I don't see why the animal models should have to suffer considering they're all we're getting this time.

And as a counterpoint, the clouded leopard, sun bear, proboscis monkey, and leaf insect all look to be some of the most spectacular looking animals in the game so far. And while we've seen a lot less of them than the others, the babirusa and dhole both look really great so far, in my opinion. It's just the imperfect tapir (which is fine enough, probably) and the downright bad binturong.

I say this as someone who never really had any issues with other somewhat contentious models like the lion or orangutan, as well. I mean, I get people's issues with them, but I've never been particularly bothered myself. But the binturong? It really, really needs to be reworked.
 
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Poor image quality and quickly edited, but I think edits need to made in this direction.

Gave it cat pupils then faded them into the iris colour, tufts on ears, widened and lengthened snout (nose bridge), widened face fur but narrowed actual face, widened nose, shortened head.

Frontier should have had a side-by-side comparison of a good photo of a binturong and ignored any “bearcat” descriptions. They’re much more like a long furred raccoon and red panda mix (the model is obviously red panda based so at least the body shape is close).
 
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Same model, same animation, just a bit different skin. That's what reskin is to me.
If something uses the same rig or animation, yet have different model and such, I call that reused or recycled.

I'm sure at least cloudrd leopard isn't 'a jaguar', and proboscis monkey isn't 'a macaque with a nose'.

An yet, binturong does need some workout.

Fine. They recycled models for all 7 animals when some of them begged for new models.
 
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Poor image quality and quickly edited, but I think edits need to made in this direction.

Gave it cat pupils then faded them into the iris colour, tufts on ears, widened and lengthened snout (nose bridge), widened face fur but narrowed actual face, widened nose, shortened head.

Frontier should have had a side-by-side comparison of a good photo of a binturong and ignored any “bearcat” descriptions. They’re much more like a long furred raccoon and red panda mix (the model is obviously red panda based so at least the body shape is close).
This is a fantastic step in the right direction. On one hand the changes seem so subtle, but it really is night and day. The head's still maybe a tad bit too round at the top and bottom, and it's a bit difficult to tell given the angle but maybe the snout could still stand to be a bit longer. But as it stands I don't think I'd have any complaints with the binturong anymore with even changes as small as these.
 
A list of every issue that Frontier's "Binturong" has:

  • The eyes are too bright. They look like Anakin or Palpatine's eyes from Revenge of the Sith. A real binturong has much cloudier eyes, to the point it can sometimes be hard to see the pupils during the day.
    • The pupils by the way, completely the wrong shape. Frontier made them round like a human's, in reality they are narrow vertical slits like a cat
  • The lower canines, from what I've seen so far, appear to be slightly too short
  • The muzzle is not as elongated as it should be
  • The face of the entire animal is round, probably because they did minimal changes to the red panda model. It should be much more angular. It is a civet, not a red panda.
  • The creature Frontier has made is not just fluffy, it is obese. Severely obese. I would judge it's 25-40 lbs overweight. It's fur is shaggy and should hang down the belly, even if it's just 1 or 2 inches
  • The ear tufts should be actual strands of hair, not weird tumors growing out if it's head like horns
  • This is hard to judge from the picture's we have, but it looks like the tail might not be long enough. It should be nearly as long as the main body. Even if it is the correct length, it suffers from the same issue as the rest of the animal, it is entirely too poofy.
  • The paws and fingers/claws are slightly smaller than they should be
  • Frontier gave this animal a permanent anthropomorphic smile and it looks absolutely terrible. I don't know why on Earth they would do this since they did with the lion during the base game and it has never been seen in a positive light. It needs to be removed from the model ASAP. Binturongs do have a similar action, like how a dog pants and looks like it is smiling, so I would actually really love an animation that shows this off, perhaps while they are walking. But to have it be permanent is a very poor decision.
  • They usually don't show off color variations in the reveals, but I have fair skepticism that the binturong will have no pattern or color variations. In reality, many animals have their own patterning, often some bits of white at the bottom of the coat tapering onto the belly, or on the back. Some also have extra bits of white on the face, which really gives them that "old man" appearance.
When you look at this entire list of errors, and see that some of them are as simply as getting the eyes right, this were I get more frustrated. I was literally the first person on this forum to give them a ton of praise when the dhole was revealed, I defended every aspect of the sun bear rig and model here as well as Reddit. I think the clouded leopard looks photo realistic, as does the leaf insect. I'm happy with what I've seen from the monkey and babirusa so far.

I think there is obviously some sort of disconnect somewhere in the process during this pack's development. Obviously someone thought that there was no difference between a Malayan tapir and a Baird's tapir, and just switched up the color but made no changes to the model. Except they didn't even fully get the colors right, because Frontier's new tapir doesn't have white on the ear tips, something that is very, very obvious in Malayan tapirs and would take a 1 second Google search to find out.

With the compounded errors in the tapir and binturong, I have some extreme doubts that they actually work with zoological institutions as much as they claim to. Or at least, no one was consulted with these two animals, that is for sure. There is just no chance someone knowledgeable in the field would let those things fly. And I understand that these are video game artists, but you'd think they'd at least make an effort, right? The binturong looks like someone looked at the first 3 Google images and then made it, never using reference material after that.

I don't know who it is over there, but someone very clearly dropped the ball this time and it's a shame that it's bringing the fantastic work of the rest of the team down, and it's a shame that @Chante Goodman has to deal with this fiasco during her last days at the company because others didn't do their work how they should've.
 
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I hope all this errors and fan-angriness won't affect future expansions, maybe they throw the towel into the ring for all this anger? That would be pathetic to say the least though, just fix the model and move on.
 
I hope all this errors and fan-angriness won't affect future expansions, maybe they throw the towel into the ring for all this anger? That would be pathetic to say the least though, just fix the model and move on.

I dont think so, it would be bad for PZ if no one complained if there is something wrong, because that would mean no one cares about the game, but this clearly shows people are very passionate about the game and willing to pay for quality content.
 
From the trailer it looks like the sun bear has some uniqueness from how it is sitting and i imagine it will have facial expressions and showing off its tongue.
Clouded leopard- probably snow leopard
Malayan tapir- Baird’s tapir
Dhole- probably dingo
P monkey- I bet they will have their own model
Babirusa- probably warthog
Binturong- on yesterday’s showcase I immediately sow red panda with a creepy face.
 
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