Please Frontier please don't make a Central/South America scenery pack again
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Dont even agree on that.
It does not need 10 random animals, even though those would be nice, if we are talking about a realistic zoo area south america without aviarys just needs 5 to be fine.
Mara and Rhea for "ungulate" filler enclosures, a coati and 2 more monkeys.
Thats it, all we need.
Meanwhile if we want a good representation, you crank up those monkeys by 3 more and add a scarlet ibis or roseate spoonbill or even a duck.
Voila, great SA representation.
Most of the animals people suggest either really arnt nessecarry (bushdog, spec bear (i say this as someone who loves them) serimas, most random ground birds, agoutis, nutrias, tegu, tamandua, kinkajou, guinea pig, chinchilla, south american porcupine), plain boring clones (american flamingo, another caiman, cats, south american tapir, wild camelid, south american penguins, south american sealion) or both of the above and near non existant in captivity (marsh deer, andean cat, foxes).
So a central america scenery pack with coati, spider monkey, ocelot (im no fool we cant escape the cats) and roseate spoonbill aswell as another pack that adds the one two punch of mara and rhea (scrubslands, children zoo, whatever) and one more monkey somewhere and we are good.
Yes south america has lots to give and needs some attention, but people really tend to treat it with a double standard when south america sections beyond monkeys, birds and aquariums and terrariums often dont include more then 5 more animals. Atleast here in germany its not rare for a zoo to have no non primate south american animals or just non at all and most south america sections are contained to one house + a few habitats around it, thats it.
People have been arguing about oceania, europe, north america and even asia all the time about when they were done and when they were "fine" but at the same time south america needs 30+ animals for basic representation.
If australia was "done" after the grasslands pack and oceania as a whole was "done" after oceania, then why isnt south america done with its last 4 major animals and a few monkeys?
This community seems allways so eager to call things "done" but SA is the only exception even though what people are clammering for as essentials mostly really are not.
Well i understand that but my big zoo project is set in my country and i know i will never get even half the animals in need for the roster i have planned so i will be content with just the essential one: rhea, mara, coati, howler, ocelot, macaws/toucans The rest i can fill with mods. Spoonbill, Southern screamer, black necked swan, Scarlet ibis, a pelican, all also very essential but i don't expect getting them officially so i'll just settle with the five i mentioned.
If you want to have a good SA selection you need the Spectacled Bear in my opinion. Thats why it is essential for me. The Ocelot is arguable but having a smaller cat for SA would be Not a Bad Thing. Perhaps Players from that Region can say more. The Bush Dog might not be Essential. Nevertheless I would Like to See it within the game.
Yes. Actually the ones you mention are the least important to me.
Mara, rhea, guanaco/alpaca/vicuña, southamerican coati, southamerican tapir, roseate spoonbill, black necked swan,macaws and toucans, hummingbirds are all more important than those three. Never seen Bush dogs here nor spectacled bears. Ocelots are a bit more important though.
I mean obviously its not bad, im fine with all 3, even love the spec bear, but the point stance that you can build a perfect sa area without the spec bear, but with just one monkey? Not so much
Similar with our non ungulate "ungulates" if you want a certain area coverage those two are pretty much essential as otherwise SA only has tapir, lama, peccary and capybara, with the last 2 atleast also being good candidates for more specialised enclosures. Having a selection of atleast 6 filler grassy habitats would do great in giving us more diversity for how we structure our zones.
Coatis are just stupidly common and a second arboreal animal for the "jgl" continent would be very neat, so missing them is also not an option.
Meanwhile while i would be sad about no spec bear, maned wolf, jaguar and tapir all 3 fill the large centerpiece animal niche that it would fill on a structural standpoint and even then those guys arnt even nessecary for south america in the first place as its not rare to have a section with none of them
As always it is again Person dependent what people See as essential. But I think without any Wishlist thinking and Personal preferences or subjective Essential selection.
Chances are really high that the Coati and the Spectacled Bear will come to the game. At least I am pretty sure that these two animals will come at some Point (Spectacled Bear possibly could come within an Alpine Pack, too). And further I could Imagine the Ocelot as number 2/3 as it is easy to do and belongs to the most popular animals within the Wishlist. Then you would have one spot for either Black Howler Monkey or Spider Monkey.
In my opinion SA really needs an animal Pack to Bring the more unique plus the requested less unique animals to the Game. Both are important. At least to me.
Before someone is claiming. No, I do not know anything. It is just my own thinking that these 4 animals could be the way Frontier would make a Scenery Pack because of the model of Former Packs, peoples General knowledge about the animal and the popularity on the Meta Wishlist.
Ocelot is omnipresent, whereas spectacled bear and bush dog are kinda irrelevant.
Okay, thanks. One reason more to think that the Ocelot could be a Potential number 3 animal of such a pack. And even If it is irrelevant at SA I still think the Spectacled Bear will come sooner or later.
Exactly lol that's what i said in the post no one read lol
Rhea mara coati howler are the really essential ones. Blacknecked swans, flamingos and spoonbills are also everywhere in waterfowl ponds.
I have read it. But forgot to also quote you. So I do it now
. But Packs are Not only composed of the Essential ones. And taking into Account that Frontier also puts the more easy to make animals and when I am further look at all wishlists it seems reasonable for me to think that the Spectacled Bear and the Ocelot could be the picks together with a unique Monkey rig and a Potential unique rig or at least a rig which needs a Lot of work for the Coati.Long Story short. Taking into Account that being essential is not the only reason why Frontier picks a specific species and that we likely would get the "less Essentials" with both, a Scenery or an Animal Pack, I really hope that we get an animal Pack for Latin America.
a huh and where exactly do you put the tree roo then
Sad, maybe in a Farewell Animal Pack or cut off the "Amazon Animal pack" and replace for something like Arboreal Pack or Rainforest pack
I think one of the things with South America is that a lot of the animals iconic to it in zoos that we don't have are small and/or arboreal. In terms of large ground dwellers we basically have all the essential ones bar the rhea (spectacled bear and guanaco/vicuna are very nice but I wouldn't call them essential).
We got a bunch of small animals in several packs but mostly the Twilight pack. Smaller animals, monkeys and birds are what are essential to proper SA representation. Coati, mara, agouti, ocelot, Tamandua, tamarins, monkeys all small to medium animals but key to build a proper SA section or even an amazonian jungle.
While I agree that most of the still missing common-in-zoos, SA animals aren’t megafauna, I wouldn’t call majority of them really small in-size. There’s a whole host of SA monkey, rodent, reptile, and ground-based avian species that are significantly larger than the smallest habitat species we currently have in PZ, the Black-tailed Prairie Dog.
All this said though, I do think that unfortunately we won’t be getting majority of the most commonly held SA species, simply because Frontier favors megafauna. Meaning that instead of the monkeys, rodents, reptiles, and birds that typically make up most SA sections, we’ll be getting primarily carnivorans and ungulates. I touched on this in a previous post in this thread:
I’m hopeful that Frontier might look towards what they did with the Twilight Pack as reasoning enough to keep a potential-SA pack focused on non-megafauna habitat species. I just hope though that unlike the Twilight Pack, most of the species picks won’t be carnivorans.
I really want to be able to build a realistic feeling SA house/walkthrough building, but you can’t successfully achieve this rn in PZ. The only species in PZ that are held in mixed-species rainforest houses are the capybara and capuchin monkey.
We only have two SA species that are typically held in mixed-species “jungle domes”
I personally would. People irl go to zoos to see carnivores and ungulates. PZ is about animals at the end of the day. Of course you can tell I'm not the best at building... Haha
Assuming we keep the alternating animal and scenery packs, ideally we'd get a non-Latin American scenery pack this spring and then a Latin American Animal Pack in the summer.
Personally the ideal thing would be that Frontier stopped doing scenery packs altogether to focus solely on animals. The game is gonna end up with more themed pieces than a game about literal themed parks.
Don’t forget they also haven’t revisited North America yet and there are people who want a NA scenery set. I’d hope the plan is NA scenery pack next, then LA animal pack in the summer.