Please remove Denuvo for allowing legit buyers to play the game

mbc · Jun 26, 2017

Hello Frontier,

As a legit buyer I dont accept that I am not able to run this game with a connection through internet.

In my case I have the next 2 years to spend on a second home without a possible internet connection for my laptop, so it is not possible to play the game I paid for.
Also I am not willing to install STEAM on my laptop just to play this game.

Please rethink about the benefits that Denuvo has ... please dont act like this to fair players and fair customers.

Bitter Jeweler · Jun 27, 2017

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mbc · Jun 27, 2017

Bitter Jeweler said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo-KmOd3i7s

Are you able to post something relevant / constructive or only such "crap" ?

What do want to say with that?
Bye bye to Denuvo, or bye bye to me ?

cerealfruitcakes · Jun 27, 2017

He likely means "byebyebye" as in this topic because they always lock denuvo threads.

mbc · Jun 27, 2017

But away from that, then they can, I dont forget, this is not againt braking laws or forcing it, its somekind of unfair to customers, because at point of buying this game there was no info how it will be released, so restrictions came later and in this special case now, there is no reason for continouing with it.

Deleting or closiing such threads does not provide solutions for anything.
I have no problem if they protect their software, but this should not harm customers, and with a leaked protection it doesnt make any sense to go further.
I am also interested in some solution for my problem, because it weird if you com into that solution and now have problems.

So my question: What problems will I have running it for at least 4 months without internet connection ?

Chems · Jun 27, 2017

If I am not mistaken, the game only needs to authenticate once with the Denuvo servers? After that you can play offline. Besides, online shouldn't be a problem since you can only get the game through Steam. So yeah, even if the game didn't have Denuvo, you still wouldn't be able to play if you don't even want to install Steam................

And before we get to the 'alternative facts' let me be ahead of them; Denuvo does not drastically impact performance, it does not kill your SSD, bladibladibla....

tyczj · Jun 27, 2017

So really you are just complaining about steam/denuvo because your house that you bought does not have internet connection.

The game does not require a constant active internet connection, it does need to check in with steam every so often to verify your license. Did you buy a house so far out in the wilderness that you can't take your laptop to a WiFi hotspot or get satellite internet or use your phone as a WiFi hotspot?

If that's the case there are many other things you should be worried about other than playing the game I think

mbc · Jun 27, 2017

I dont know exactly where I will be, my company did not made any details yet, I have to be flexible for the next 2 years, so:
YES, there may be no connection, and NO I am not willing to pay for 2 contracts, because I still have for pay for my home-connection. Also if you make a new contract it still is a minimum of 24 months ... and always bound to a specific place. That is a problem, you cant change it and its also not cheap here, you pay much money per month.

Also my laptop has no WIFI, its a professional, but it was delivered without a WIFI-Card / module, it has only ethernet, and as I am someone who does not need Internet/Youtube/WhatsApp/Facebook to prevent me from dying , it not worth to buy an expensive WIFI-card and then trying to find some place to use it ... I do not need constant internet on my laptop I dont need it at all.

WIFI is also very expensive, and not practical were I live in first place, the availability is not good here.

I still have a small tablet for emails and this, but this has no ethernet-connector so I even cant share a WIFI-connection If I had one.
At home all no problem, but beeing on travel this denuvo and STEAM is a nightmare as it seems.

Also to be fair:
PC was sold as "downloadable" version, there was no word of STEAM in the beginning. I hate STEAM, I only installed it because PC needed it after it was released, so for me it is some kind of unfair now.
A first start is not a problem I could "activate". Installing STEAM is bad if it is not used by player, but not that big problem.

But the question is still: will it work for months ? I can set it up here and activate, but any further restrictions are a no-go for me ...

tyczj · Jun 27, 2017

If you have a USB port on your computer you can buy a WiFi USB for really really cheap.

If you have a tablet you don't need an Ethernet part on it no tablets even have that. You enable WiFi hotspot on the tablet and connect to it through wifi so you laptop is connecting to your tablets who is connecting to it's normal connection

Decoy_NDA · Jun 27, 2017

Kidding aside, PC is not simulation evolved, but more like simulation evolving. With every update, PC get better and as such you WILL need a internet connection to keep evolving PC. And as for Denuvo, yes some call it the root of all evil, but without it, how many of the "FREE updates" would not have been free?

Ramm · Jun 27, 2017

Well if Denuvo apparently doesn't do it's job I think it is not too weird to ask for it to be removed. Many games did this after Denuvo didn't do it's job anymore. Wouldn't make much sense that only the real customers have it and others don't have it then it's missing it's point. But wait out to see if Denuvo gets fixed with the new summer update. But if it doesn't do it's job anymore it's more than fair to remove it entirely. I think other games did this too.

However one thing i'm really worried about is not the internet connection or anything but i still feel it's kinda making the game laggy since i've heard many games that use it are laggy. Would be cool to find out if this is really the case or not. Also I heard that it prevents modding and so far we don't have mods so maybe this also play a part. We'll have to see

Helena · Jun 27, 2017

Many phones you can share internet, either by cable and/or by wifi, or even bluetooth. Problem solved. (I use this method myself when the internetwebzzz is down omg abstinence)

Besides, today will be large update. How to get hold of it? Yeah, internet.
It is Frontier's thing to decide how they want to do with their software.

Vampiro · Jun 27, 2017

As pointed out by other users, you won't need an internet connection all the time to play the game.

Planet Coaster supports Steam's Offline Mode. In order to use this you will need to start the game online once on first launch to enable Offline Mode later.

In order to enable Offline Mode please follow Steam's instructions on how to do this:

Start Steam online - make sure the Remember my password box on the login window is checked
Verify that all game files are completely updated - you can see the update status for a game under the Library section (when the game shows as 100% - Ready it is ready to be played in Offline Mode)
Launch the game you would like to play offline to verify that there are no further updates to download - shut down the game and return to Steam once you have confirmed that the game can be played
Go to Steam > Settings to ensure the Don't save account credentials on this computer option is not selected
From the main Steam window, go to the Steam menu and select Go Offline
Click Restart in Offline Mode to restart Steam in Offline Mode
For further information on using Steam's offline mode please see Steam's full FAQ article here.

Please be aware that you will need to have an active connection and be using Steam and Planet Coaster online in order to make use of the Steam Workshop features or recieve further patch updates.

Basically saying that you can play offline as long as you like to. You just won't be able to use the workshop and/or receive updates as long as you remain offline.

xyphic · Jun 27, 2017

Ramm said:
Well if Denuvo apparently doesn't do it's job I think it is not too weird to ask for it to be removed. Many games did this after Denuvo didn't do it's job anymore. Wouldn't make much sense that only the real customers have it and others don't have it then it's missing it's point. But wait out to see if Denuvo gets fixed with the new summer update. But if it doesn't do it's job anymore it's more than fair to remove it entirely. I think other games did this too.

However one thing i'm really worried about is not the internet connection or anything but i still feel it's kinda making the game laggy since i've heard many games that use it are laggy. Would be cool to find out if this is really the case or not. Also I heard that it prevents modding and so far we don't have mods so maybe this also play a part. We'll have to see

Regardless of what happens regarding Denuvo, I highly doubt that Frontier will be removing the Steam requirement any time soon given how integrated the Workshop is. The OP's best bet is to install Steam and PC online before leaving, start the game once then put Steam into offline mode. This should (as far as I know) be enough to continue playing the game without an internet connection.

Ramm · Jun 27, 2017

xyphic said:
Regardless of what happens regarding Denuvo, I highly doubt that Frontier will be removing the Steam requirement any time soon given how integrated the Workshop is. The OP's best bet is to install Steam and PC online before leaving, start the game once then put Steam into offline mode. This should (as far as I know) be enough to continue playing the game without an internet connection.

I think it requires occassional connections and checkups with the server. At least that's what i've heard. Going online once and then be set for a year or so is something that might not work.

Anyway what I think the point is is that it doesn't work anymore, so the only people that have to put up with it are the loyal and paying customers. So unless they fix it I see no reason to keep it

xyphic · Jun 27, 2017

Ramm said:
I think it requires occassional connections and checkups with the server. At least that's what i've heard. Going online once and then be set for a year or so is something that might not work.

I believe that depends on how the developer has integrated Denuvo. As far as I know, the only mandatory check that Denuvo does is to verify that hardware hasn't changed, which shouldn't happen on a laptop.

danijami23 · Jun 27, 2017

Denuvo has been bypassed on this game anyway, so I expect Frontier won't be far behind in just removing that cancerous piece of garbage from their title. I never agreed with them implementing it in the first place, especially considering the highly questionable nature of Denuvo's origin (ex employees of the rootkit-installing turd heads Sony DADC) and that they didnt have any pressure from a publisher to implement it. Maybe now theyll finally see some sense and just get rid of it - it definitely isn't doing anyone's reputation any good to get into bed with them.

Ramm · Jun 27, 2017

xyphic said:
I believe that depends on how the developer has integrated Denuvo. As far as I know, the only mandatory check that Denuvo does is to verify that hardware hasn't changed, which shouldn't happen on a laptop.

Ok well unfortunately I dont remember where I have read it so I cant backup my thought. I guess someone will just have to test it.

danijami23 said:
Denuvo has been bypassed on this game anyway, so I expect Frontier won't be far behind in just removing that cancerous piece of garbage from their title. I never agreed with them implementing it in the first place, especially considering the highly questionable nature of Denuvo's origin (ex employees of the rootkit-installing turd heads Sony DADC) and that they didnt have any pressure from a publisher to implement it. Maybe now theyll finally see some sense and just get rid of it - it definitely isn't doing anyone's reputation any good to get into bed with them.

Yeah it's a bit harsh but it's basicly what it comes down to. If it doesn't work or do it's job anymore there is no point in still letting paying customers put up with it. Unless they fix it I therefor see also no reason to keep it.

danijami23 · Jun 27, 2017

Ramm said:
Ok well unfortunately I dont remember where I have read it so I cant backup my thought. I guess someone will just have to test it.

Yeah it's a bit harsh but it's basicly what it comes down to. If it doesn't work or do it's job anymore there is no point in still letting paying customers put up with it. Unless they fix it I therefor see also no reason to keep it.

Most of my criticism is aimed at Denuvo as a company and not Frontier to he fair. My only criticism of FD is their questionable choice to ally themselves with a group of people with no issue invading people's computers with malware. I understand their desire not to have their game stolen, but Denuvo are not the company we should be funding, especially since Frontier spent money earned from their legitimate customers on the exorbitant price of implementation - which by the way could and should have been spent on wages for their own employees, since they are the ones that deserve the cash for this amazing game in the first place.

Chems · Jun 27, 2017

danijami23 said:
Most of my criticism is aimed at Denuvo as a company and not Frontier to he fair. My only criticism of FD is their questionable choice to ally themselves with a group of people with no issue invading people's computers with malware. I understand their desire not to have their game stolen, but Denuvo are not the company we should be funding, especially since Frontier spent money earned from their legitimate customers on the exorbitant price of implementation - which by the way could and should have been spent on wages for their own employees, since they are the ones that deserve the cash for this amazing game in the first place.

I am not a fan of it either, especially with the history of some of their employees.. But that said, so far Denuvo hasn't done anything like that. All the rumors about it being a hack tool, killing hardware and killing performance are just that: rumors.

And if the game has been cracked now (come on, we all know this would happen eventually), maybe Frontier could remove it, or maybe not as it doesn't affect anyone. It only checks after the install once, and you need internet for the install anyway so whats the problem?