POLL: Should ED have an Auto Pilot?

[Mohrgan]

Oh no you don't.

Answer the question this time without going on some rant about yourself.

Why should the commander be in control of mindless repetitive tasks instead of doing things that require some form of intellect or skill?

Why do you believe that the majority of a player's time should be wasted doing jumps instead of deciding what to trade by looking at the markets or entering combat or prospecting asteroids. Why is jumping a sacrosanct subject to you?

I don;t think I should have to answer to your doctored up, and colored version of the discussion. But, in short: The game is about flying star ships around in the Elite Galaxy. I think it should be the player doing that, not a script. Just pooping into the pilot's seat to face the choice moments isn't what I see E|D about. So sue me.

 

[SatansMittens]

Insults and innuendo, that's all you have. I'm saying that, even though you devalue it, there are risks in dropping in on a star. That ease of avoidance doesn't negate the fact that it's there. If it wasn't, you wouldn't have to do a thing. That's what you're asking for. To be relieved of some of the risk of travel by installing an Autopilot Module. I argue against that choice. A commander should have to control their ship as they cross the galaxy. My opinion.

This is a very trivial and pointless fact to try and argue against an autopilot with. I feel like I'm trying to argue with a 4 year that just keeps asking "but why" everytime you anser their questions. Deeper into the rabbit hole we go

 

[Mohrgan]

I hope he flys everywhere with flight assist off with that kind of logic.... no computer assistance whatsoever!!

I made my response to the computers' role in the game in a previous post. Feel free to go back an peruse it. More insults doesn't make your argument any more sound.

 

[SatansMittens]

I don;t think I should have to answer to your doctored up, and colored version of the discussion. But, in short: The game is about flying star ships around in the Elite Galaxy. I think it should be the player doing that, not a script. Just pooping into the pilot's seat to face the choice moments isn't what I see E|D about. So sue me.

Sorry if you think you're being logical, but your not.

 

[Eera]

definitively yes !

 

[Mohrgan]

This is a very trivial and pointless fact to try and argue against an autopilot with. I feel like I'm trying to argue with a 4 year that just keeps asking "but why" everytime you anser their questions. Deeper into the rabbit hole we go

I'm a four year old? More insults and useless drivel. I won;t change your mind, and you can't change the facts. I wonder why FD recently changed the HJ mechanic? You used to have your ship drop in at minimum speed when you were ALt Tab'ed, now we retain the speed we had at last input. Why is that? To facilitate Alt Tab'ing? That's not how I see it.

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Sorry if you think you're being logical, but your not.

Your opinion. And, you are welcomed to it.

 

[Arkadi]

There is this thing: the achievement to having crossed the galaxy singlehanded jump by jump. It is an achievement no one can take away from those who did it. For me Saggitarius A* was more then enough to do this way. And honestly I don't understand where there is the challange to do this other then to bring oneself to do something incredible boring just to reach one goal. I did prove my stubborness, nothing more - as much as I speak for myself here.

I can imagine to go exploring in a time not to far from now. But then I hope it will be possible to plot a course on the gal-map, activate the auto-pilot for the jumping to my destination where I want to start manually exploring.

Also there may be the hope of the Jaques Colony to have left the old bubble far behind. This is the only reason I can somehow understand.

But then, there is already the possibility for everyone to group up with his kind of people in private groups and do theire own thing. Would it be really that terrible that more pilots could be willing to do the travel to the new colony when an auto-pilot was available?

 

[SatansMittens]

I made my response to the computers' role in the game in a previous post. Feel free to go back an peruse it. More insults doesn't make your argument any more sound.

The arguments for an autopilot couldn't be anymore sound. The nonsense coming from you borders on delusional insanity. Are you just trying to distract everyone with your "the ship will die without input" nonsense.

 

[veryinky]

Insults and innuendo, that's all you have.

Projection; you can't argue the subject without resorting to passive aggressive insults. And this is after a dozen posts.

And again you go on about risk instead of even trying to answer the question. This is pointless as trying to get something logical or sensible out of you is like pulling teeth as you go on about perceived risks that no one else sees. You continue to do this even though the navigation computer would have the same limitations as the player (press j, press x, press j).

You're probably the first person I've seen who'd argue that the docking computer somehow makes docking safer by spouting some nonsense about "eliminating risks".

 

[SatansMittens]

I'm a four year old? More insults and useless drivel. I won;t change your mind, and you can't change the facts. I wonder why FD recently changed the HJ mechanic? You used to have your ship drop in at minimum speed when you were ALt Tab'ed, now we retain the speed we had at last input. Why is that? To facilitate Alt Tab'ing? That's not how I see it.

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Your opinion. And, you are welcomed to it.

I thought we were having a useless drivel competition, I'mjust trying to catch up to you

 

[Mohrgan]

The arguments for an autopilot couldn't be anymore sound. The nonsense coming from you borders on delusional insanity. Are you just trying to distract everyone with your "the ship will die without input" nonsense.

I have made my case. You don't agree. I can live with that. You couldn't argue away my point with logic, so the next tactic is to dismiss it. An obvious move, and I leave you to it.

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I thought we were having a useless drivel competition, I'mjust trying to catch up to you

See? All you have are quips designed to belittle your opponent. That has no value, but to point out how weak your argument is. I can take it. Bring it on. Your opinion of me, or my opinions has no bearing on me or my arguments.

 

[veryinky]

You couldn't argue away my point with logic, so the next tactic is to dismiss it.

This is impossible if your "point" is an emotional based opinion about how you think things should be and which you have stated can not be changed by others.

Further you somehow manage to be smug about this fact.

 

[Jabezz]

Wrong. Without input, from a pilot or computer, a ship would plunge into a star and cook. Try it. I'll even pay for your re-buy (I'll need video proof for the payout).

You obviously haven't tried it then. The ship automatically drops out of super cruise if you get too close. You can't plunge into the star.

Yes you'll be a bit warmer than normal but that's about it. Apart from that I have no idea what risks you're going on about.

 

[SatansMittens]

I have made my case. You don't agree. I can live with that. You couldn't argue away my point with logic, so the next tactic is to dismiss it. An obvious move, and I leave you to it.

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See? All you have are quips designed to belittle your opponent. That has no value, but to point out how weak your argument is. I can take it. Bring it on. Your opinion of me, or my opinions has no bearing on me or my arguments.

Your arguments are completely irrelevant and at best non-existent. Your deluded belief that they had any logic is also non-existent. You're nonsense has caused this conversation to devolve to the point that it is now.

 

[veryinky]

Yes you'll be a bit warmer than normal but that's about it. Apart from that I have no idea what risks you're going on about.

The emergency stop does cause to 1.5% hull damage, 0 to 3% damage to integrity of modules but never ship destruction. I've been trying to get him to explain exactly what he's talking about for an hour now when he goes on about "risks", without luck.

I'm out. At this point I've written him off as a troll. Maybe you'll have more success at getting something coherent out of him.

There is a positive though; he's a perfect example to show what the anti-navigation computer side is like.

 

[ElGuappo]

Yes it should have an AP if you have crew. Arguably you could say that if you have crew then you could make all aspects of the game automated to varying degrees of NPC competence because that's why you have a crew. But some pilots love the day to day drudgery of ED, and the thought of automating the repetitive and, for some, immensely tedious aspects of the game (wait... wait... wait... press a key!) brings them out in a cold sweat. Not sure why because if such a gizmo wasn't for you, then you could just not use one and 'fly your way'. But these same people think the docking computer is a perfectly fine addition to the game, automating one of the very few things that is almost always a bit different and sometimes very different, because some people find it too tricky, so it's safe to say there's no reasoning with them.

So yes, ED should have an AP. But no, it'll never get one.

 

[Mohrgan]

Projection; you can't argue the subject without resorting to passive aggressive insults. And this is after a dozen posts.

And again you go on about risk instead of even trying to answer the question. This is pointless as trying to get something logical or sensible out of you is like pulling teeth as you go on about perceived risks that no one else sees. You continue to do this even though the navigation computer would have the same limitations as the player (press j, press x, press j).

You're probably the first person I've seen who'd argue that the docking computer somehow makes docking safer by spouting some nonsense about "eliminating risks".

I never insulted anyone. I have commented on the validity of an argument. If that insults you, I'm not sure what I can do about that. I have proven my case, as if to a reasonable person, that without a pilot's input, a ship jumping into a new system would indeed dive into the star. What more do I need to do? If an AP would just press the jump key, what benefit would it bring? You'd still have to avoid the star, and any other obstacles.

I have never even mentioned the Docking Computer. It's a cheeky throwback to the original games that I give ground to. An AP I don;t have to. Especially in a discussion thread about if we should have one. If FD were to offer one, I'd get along. But, in this discussion, I don;t have to. And if I can persuade FD not to offer one, all the better.

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You obviously haven't tried it then. The ship automatically drops out of super cruise if you get too close. You can't plunge into the star.

Yes you'll be a bit warmer than normal but that's about it. Apart from that I have no idea what risks you're going on about.

You do plunge into the star, and you do risk Damage and/or destruction. Little semantic arguments don't remove the fact that there are risks surrounding dropping into a star. Some not at all about the primary star in the system.

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Your arguments are completely irrelevant and at best non-existent. Your deluded belief that they had any logic is also non-existent. You're nonsense has caused this conversation to devolve to the point that it is now.

I don;t have to just accept your opinion, just like you don;t have to accept mine. Dismissing them, like this, will only satisfy you, not the argument.

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The emergency stop does cause to 1.5% hull damage, 0 to 3% damage to integrity of modules but never ship destruction. I've been trying to get him to explain exactly what he's talking about for an hour now when he goes on about "risks", without luck.

I'm out. At this point I've written him off as a troll. Maybe you'll have more success at getting something coherent out of him.

There is a positive though; he's a perfect example to show what the anti-navigation computer side is like.

Without input that drop into the star's influence will destroy a ship. That;s the single point I'm making. The input required to avoid that fate should have to come from the pilot. Not an AP. My opinion.

 

[veryinky]

Yes it should have an AP if you have crew. Arguably you could say that if you have crew then you could make all aspects of the game automated to varying degrees of NPC competence because that's why you have a crew

This is actually part of the design document back during 2013 for NPC crew members; pilot, navigator, engineer, marine. We recently found out that "pilot" meant fighter pilot in 2.2, so it will be the navigator's job to perform the job of autopilot.

I'm not paying 20% (beta price cut for elite fighter pilot) of my profits to a fighter pilot. But I would pay 20% to a navigator to navigate the ship. Heck, the Asp is supposed to have an "astrogator" sitting in the 2nd seat to perform navigation. It's a ship that requires a crew of 2.

 

[Arkadi]

[...] I have proven my case, as if to a reasonable person, that without a pilot's input, a ship jumping into a new system would indeed dive into the star. What more do I need to do? If an AP would just press the jump key, what benefit would it bring? You'd still have to avoid the star, and any other obstacles.

I am sure the auto-pilot program-code would be able to follow a routine like: always keep save distance to star, navigate ship around the celestial body to align with jump-destination, jump, reduce speed and navigate away from clestial body, align with next destination in route, jump...

So a pilot with auto-pilot on would not to have to manually avoid the star. The autopilot would do that. Thats the whole point of the auto-pilot, to do the minimalistic navigation to jump from star to star until low on fuel or at the end of the plotted path, when it sets engines to cero and plays a sound to wake commander.

 

[SatansMittens]

The emergency stop does cause to 1.5% hull damage, 0 to 3% damage to integrity of modules but never ship destruction. I've been trying to get him to explain exactly what he's talking about for an hour now when he goes on about "risks", without luck.

I'm out. At this point I've written him off as a troll. Maybe you'll have more success at getting something coherent out of him.

There is a positive though; he's a perfect example to show what the anti-navigation computer side is like.

Insane?