General / Off-Topic Post Brexit: Petition for a new referendum

[Minonian]

Obviously. The people who voted for the "Remain" make a denial of democracy. This is the dangerous mentality of bad losers

Add to the other half how much people voted to remain, and how big is the difference between the 2 party, in percent?

And add the fact, they had been mis leaded, lied, driven into mass hysteria. Now, tell me morally how clean how legit is the outcome of this vote? Not at all... And trust me! The ones whom chosen to stay, not going to accept it, and they not obliged, because the outcome of the scoreboard, is based on cheating. This game was not clean and legit.

Right now, when made clean how much lies was in the other side, and seen the true consequences, most of the people going to chose differently, i say right now the cheaters, and liars trying to keep their ill gained victory, and deny the other party, to make it right.

Well, whatever the consequences will be, within a short amount of time the brexiters are going down. Trust me... My country was in a very similar situation 10 years ago. this outcome not going to be accepted, and anyone trying to keep it in effect are going to lose the support of his people.

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Quite frankly I voted leave and would do again and no, before you call me a racist my decision has nothing to do with immigration whatsoever!

Politicians lying? well I never.. I would never have suspected that... oh wait!

Yeah... it was going to be just like the aftermath of öszöd. boris, and Farge are going down, and the rest will follow. Right now, you all just started to talk and think like them.

 

[Patrick_68000]

Politicians lying? well I never.. I would never have suspected that... oh wait!

To say that the politicians lie is a ... how to say ? ... a ... lie !

 

[Spook]

Sussed it - It's half a million brassed off UK Peeps + 2 million Diplomats and Embassy Peeps who've just realised they're going to have to put down their Banana Daiquiris and do some proper work sorting out all the bleeding trade deals when we leave the EU.

 

[Minonian]

Sussed it - It's half a million brassed off UK Peeps + 2 million Diplomats and Embassy Peeps who've just realised they're going to have to put down their Banana Daiquiris and do some proper work sorting out all the bleeding trade deals when we leave the EU.

Within 2 days...

This can't be ignored.

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To say that the politicians lie is a ... how to say ? ... a ... lie !

To lie and doing harm with it to the ones you supposed to be lead and protect is unacceptable.

 

[Patrick_68000]

Merkel has afterall done a good job for Germany, regardless of the amount of      thrown at her.

I can also guarantee you that you wouldn't be happy with the alternatives to Merkel. Absolutely not happy.

Sorry but I cannot have respect for a leader who makes work a part of her people for 1 - 2 euros of the hour

 

[Becks]

Sussed it - It's half a million brassed off UK Peeps + 2 million Diplomats and Embassy Peeps who've just realised they're going to have to put down their Banana Daiquiris and do some proper work sorting out all the bleeding trade deals when we leave the EU.

Tbh I have absolutely no simpathy for those who voted leave and now want to go back. Democracy is a duty, not a privilege. Even if we don't have the same opinions on how democratic the EU is.

The EU wants your submission of article 50 until Tuesday now. I guess they prepare for getting really uncomfortable.

Btw, your diplomatic corps and your civil service haven't the capacities to negotiate more than one or two trade deals at a time, let alone 70 or 80

And hiring amateurs for that might be an even worse idea

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Sorry but I cannot have respect for a leader who makes work a part of her people for 1 - 2 euros of the hour

You have that in other countries too. With much worse working conditions. Also those people get welfare and are assisted with educational programs and application trainings.

 

[Spook]

Of course it can be ignored. They'll ignore a million+ people who bother to turn up on their doorstep to protest at the country going to war. They're sure as hell not going to pay any attention to an online petition, open to abuse and possibly manipulated by the twittersphere. (Insert random link from some idiot handing out their postcode to people so they can fudge the petition - cause that ain't happening at the moment - honest.)

"I would like to draw the Right Honorable Gentlemans attention to the following Petition............. I have 20 Daffy Ducks from Timbuktu and a Mickey Mouse from the Yemen, can he beat that?"

Minonian sorry my friend but you really, really don't understand UK politics. It's one of the delights of our particular brand of Representative Democracy, and one of the reasons they don't offer us too many chances to participate more directly in the process. We can be uppity and vote the wrong way.

 

[Patrick_68000]

Add to the other half how much people voted to remain, and how big is the difference between the 2 party, in percent?

And add the fact, they had been mis leaded, lied, driven into mass hysteria. Now, tell me morally how clean how legit is the outcome of this vote? Not at all... And trust me! The ones whom chosen to stay, not going to accept it, and they not obliged, because the outcome of the scoreboard, is based on cheating. This game was not clean and legit.

Right now, when made clean how much lies was in the other side, and seen the true consequences, most of the people going to chose differently, i say right now the cheaters, and liars trying to keep their ill gained victory, and deny the other party, to make it right.

Well, whatever the consequences will be, within a short amount of time the brexiters are going down. Trust me... My country was in a very similar situation 10 years ago. this outcome not going to be accepted, and anyone trying to keep it in effect are going to lose the support of his people.

But the cheaters and the liars are also in the camp of "Remain" as they have threatened and play with the fear and the blackmail. And people will see that one can live very well without being in the EU

 

[Patrick_68000]

You have that in other countries too. With much worse working conditions. Also those people get welfare and are assisted with educational programs and application trainings.

We speak of the Germany, we do not speak of the Africa. With your arguments, you give yourself a good conscience for cheap. A shame, a scandal, a insult, a affront to make work European for 1-2 euros per hour and to make zero hours contracts in the UK

Death to this EU !

 

[Luniticisi]

Look I am not someone who wishes to teach mistrust to children .. but unless something changes it might be necessary, this poll (well not the poll itself, but the result) is clearly a statement of two fingers up to democracy .. it didn't go our way so we want to do it again.

And to anyone who says that because of this vote the UK is doomed .. you clearly have no idea of how strong the UK can be.

the things that the UK have overcome (just in the last 1.000 years) is incredible, and that spirit has lived on, even though it has been forgotten by some, it's in our blood .. the UK will persevere, never underestimate the UK's resilience.

 

[jabokai]

it's in our blood ..

Most of the brexiteers featured on the news coverage I'm ashamed to share blood with - they were an embarrassment.

Of course, the news may just have chosen those people for that very reason.

Plus I think the pride people have in the struggles and resilience of our country in the past (eg WW2) is largely misplaced when applied to modern Britain.

 

[Luniticisi]

Most of the brexiteers featured on the news coverage I'm ashamed to share blood with - they were an embarrassment.

Of course, the news may just have chosen those people for that very reason.

Plus I think the pride people have in the struggles and resilience of our country in the past (eg WW2) is largely misplaced when applied to modern Britain.

I feel it is still there, and I have hope that it is .. it's an uncertain time but I think we will pull through. I think that even though the UK voted out of the EU we will pull together and make this a good thing, i really do.

Just look back to 7/7/2005 - people didn't stop .. they were asking how they could get to work .. and more annoyed that they had been disrupted .. that fight is still there .. we just haven't been asked to call on it for a while .. I hope that things settle down in the coming weeks, which I am sure they will ... and that fight wont be called upon .. but if it is and there are hard times ahead, i believe we will persevere.

-edit- Bedtime for me .. see you all in the morning

 

[Spook]

America sneezes - the world catches a cold.

Our football teams may be a bit iffy, our hooligans have lost their edge, but it still takes a Brit to really        up the world markets.

Meh, the world will still turn tomorrow, babies born, and somehow I'm going to finally get the bloody sky box to record what I want to watch and not what it thinks I should like.

 

[Minonian]

Minonian sorry my friend but you really, really don't understand UK politics. It's one of the delights of our particular brand of Representative Democracy, and one of the reasons they don't offer us too many chances to participate more directly in the process. We tend to be uppity and vote the wrong way.

Of course they will going to be ignore it, but thats the worst possible thing they can do.

 

[Minonian]

Look I am not someone who wishes to teach mistrust to children .. but unless something changes it might be necessary, this poll (well not the poll itself, but the result) is clearly a statement of two fingers up to democracy .. it didn't go our way so we want to do it again.

And to anyone who says that because of this vote the UK is doomed .. you clearly have no idea of how strong the UK can be.

the things that the UK have overcome (just in the last 1.000 years) is incredible, and that spirit has lived on, even though it has been forgotten by some, it's in our blood .. the UK will persevere, never underestimate the UK's resilience.

At first UK denied the consequences, and now, he taking it too easy. You are at denial. But know what? We will see. And if you think its not going to be hellishly rough than you are in mistake.

Can't be that bad? It will!

 

[Sunleader]

You are absolutely right, and there is a clause that, if all parties agree, the negotiations can be extended .. we will have to see how it pans out.
It is an uncertain future that's for sure ..

That Clause is Fairly Unlikely to Happen.
Germany and France are the Doves here. And would likely Support it. To have the Cut as Clean as Possible.

But this Clause requires an Agreement of all Parties in the EU to Pass. And some Countries wont Accept it and thus Block it.
Well to begin with its not really Advisable tough. (Read below)

Firstly, a 3-4 month window has now been put in place for Tory party leadership change. During that window, various things can happen. One of those things can be the start of selling the idea of EFTA membership to the UK people. Closed doors talks about this can take place between the two sides. If they agree that this is the best path, Article 50 can be delayed / invoked accordingly with that in mind with a clear plan for transition to the new arrangement. They can argue that no referendum is required since no additional sovereignty has been ceded so no legal requirement to hold a referendum. Big question on this will be (as it has been all along) is to what extent free movement applies and membership fees.

Technically though, the referendum did not say "should we stop paying memberships fees and stop all immigration". It just said "Should the UK leave the European Union".

As regards the possibility of another referendum, Article 50 has not yet been triggered, and in a sense, article 50 is not relevant for the simple reason that any state could say "if you don't do x, y, z we will trigger article 50" without actually doing it. How is that different from what you describe?

You'll have to help me out here, I've seen documents that are claimed to be "Article 50" posted online which are just about less than page of writing, which incidentally seems very short and simple for what is alleged to be such a bureaucratic organization. Is that all there is to article 50? If so, I didn't see any statement that said that once article 50 is invoked, it can never be stopped under any circumstances.

Aye the Problem is that this Hurts the UK Tremendously.
They can in Theory Delay this Forever. But Investments and other Benefits from the EU will fall Short because people expect them to Leave thus the Investments not being worth the Risk.
Meanwhile however UK will be Paying Fees and everything in Full Amount.
Even worse the longer they Delay it the more the Brexit Voters will grow Unwieldy. And the Remain Voters wont grow Peaceful either. So Delaying this is like Holding a Lighter into an Powder Keg.
Needless to say that Companies will have an almost Impossible time to Recruit Expert Workers from the EU cause these People just dont know if they would be able to Stay and how Long.

From an Economical Viewpoint as well as an Political Viewpoint. Delaying an Decision is an complete Catastrophe.
They need to Act Fast. Either Enact Article 50. Or Declare that they will Remain in the EU or hold another Vote.

 

[Vasious]

You can't just redo the vote over and over until you get the result you want. It's over and finished with, time to get on and do our best!

Yes it seems very undemocratic to want the change the rules after you lost, and then get a do over on the new rules.

If voter turn out was low, it is the fault of the platforms on both sides of the matter not instilling the sense of importance to the referendum.

If those who did not vote suddenly realise it was an important vote and they didn't like the outcome, what was their excuse for not voting in the first place?

If it is allow, what is stopping the losing side to have a petition to demand a do over again, and again?
Where is the line, what precedent will be set if this is allowed.

 

[Ozram]

Yes it seems very undemocratic to want the change the rules after you lost, and then get a do over on the new rules.

If voter turn out was low, it is the fault of the platforms on both sides of the matter not instilling the sense of importance to the referendum.

If those who did not vote suddenly realise it was an important vote and they didn't like the outcome, what was their excuse for not voting in the first place?

If it is allow, what is stopping the losing side to have a petition to demand a do over again, and again?
Where is the line, what precedent will be set if this is allowed.

EU is a banking plutocracy. What a wonderful scam! Why bother to nickel and dime individuals when they can do it to whole countries at a time. They are the antithesis of the democratic state and once it becomes apparent that Europe is better off without them they will crumble. For that reason they will do everything in their power to see that either the Brittish renege on the recent democratic vote or that they are economically sanctioned after. Look what's happened to Greece. It's atrocious. And the idiots are blaming left wing but this is not a left/right issue. At the very core it's class warfare and it's democracy vs plutocracy.

 

[Sunleader]

Yes it seems very undemocratic to want the change the rules after you lost, and then get a do over on the new rules.

If voter turn out was low, it is the fault of the platforms on both sides of the matter not instilling the sense of importance to the referendum.

If those who did not vote suddenly realise it was an important vote and they didn't like the outcome, what was their excuse for not voting in the first place?

If it is allow, what is stopping the losing side to have a petition to demand a do over again, and again?
Where is the line, what precedent will be set if this is allowed.

Its not really Undemocratic.
52 to 48 is not exactly an Clear Vote.

So an Redo is within the Realms of Possibility by simply saying. Ok we will hold Votes until we get at least 60% on one Side.
But that wont happen I think.

EU is a banking plutocracy. What a wonderful scam! Why bother to nickel and dime individuals when they can do it to whole countries at a time. They are the antithesis of the democratic state and once it becomes apparent that Europe is better off without them they will crumble. For that reason they will do everything in their power to see that either the Brittish renege on the recent democratic vote or that they are economically sanctioned after. Look what's happened to Greece. It's atrocious. And the idiots are blaming left wing but this is not a left/right issue. At the very core it's class warfare and it's democracy vs plutocracy.

Ehm yeah...
Aside from the Brexit Campaign Hogwash which has been proven Wrong over and over.

Mate no Offense.
But right now.

Scottland is Preparing an Referendum.
Ireland has Announced its Intention to do so.
London Lower House is Forced to Debate the Option of Leaving UK.
Protests and Turmoil all over the Country.
Young People have started to Leave the UK not even 48 Hours later.


The EU will Crumble ???
LOL
The UK IS CRUMBLING right now
Its Day 3 and UK is on its Knees already struggling to even remain UK for long enough to Leave the EU.


The UK is Crumbling so fast in Fact that the EU wants to get it out as fast as possible so they dont end up being dragged into this Mess thats brewing in the UK.
Given you dont realize just why the EU is Pressing the UK to leave as fast as possible.
Currently its highly Likely that UK might not even Exist anymore in a Few Years.....


Cameron Resigning was Obvious. I am fairly Sure he knows already that his Name will go down in History Books as the Man who Spelled the Downfall of the United Kingdoms 300 Years of History.

 

[Ozram]

Its not really Undemocratic.
52 to 48 is not exactly an Clear Vote.

So an Redo is within the Realms of Possibility by simply saying. Ok we will hold Votes until we get at least 60% on one Side.
But that wont happen I think.




Ehm yeah...
Aside from the Brexit Campaign Hogwash which has been proven Wrong over and over.

Mate no Offense.
But right now.

Scottland is Preparing an Referendum.
Ireland has Announced its Intention to do so.
London Lower House is Forced to Debate the Option of Leaving UK.
Protests and Turmoil all over the Country.
Young People have started to Leave the UK not even 48 Hours later.


The EU will Crumble ???
LOL
The UK IS CRUMBLING right now
Its Day 3 and UK is on its Knees already struggling to even remain UK for long enough to Leave the EU.


The UK is Crumbling so fast in Fact that the EU wants to get it out as fast as possible so they dont end up being dragged into this Mess thats brewing in the UK.
Given you dont realize just why the EU is Pressing the UK to leave as fast as possible.
Currently its highly Likely that UK might not even Exist anymore in a Few Years.....


Cameron Resigning was Obvious. I am fairly Sure he knows already that his Name will go down in History Books as the Man who Spelled the Downfall of the United Kingdoms 300 Years of History.

Actually, I agree with you that the "Kingdom" is fragile, but then so is the European "Union".