Post Settlement Combat - Beam me back to the station, Scotty

St0rmFury

St0rmFury
rOmiLaYu said:
"Elite Dangerous isn't really designed with relogging in mind?"
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Looks like I was right about this being a shadownerf. 👇

Reset combat zone -> back to the station

So, when you relog to reset the on foot combat zone, you respawn back at the station now, with no ship. Is that new? Can't say I like it...
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Ikr?

Some of the fetch CGs won't event reach tier 1 without the blatant use of relogging.
 

Northpin

Northpin
Ryox said:
Edit: Otherwise you can walk 200m away from the settlement before relog, you'll respawn in the CZ.
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Well, it's not a big deal to walk some distance - so this is not really a relog fix...
Just a freak way to miff off your players that happen to crash in a ground CZ


rOmiLaYu said:
"Elite Dangerous isn't really designed with relogging in mind?"
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Luckily i managed to save my keyboards, but my screen needs a good rubbing

Anyway, i remember a certain stream when 2 CM had to relog in a guardian site so both of them can get the blueprint?
And yet, we have that statement from the support? 😂
 

Logan Terrick

Logan Terrick
I understand Frontier want to curb relogging, and actually agree with them, but the way they are curbing it is ruining people's gameplay. With this example for instance, now anyone that want's to do on foot CZ's for a while has to suffer (and suffer is the correct word) the unnecessary travel back and forth from the station, which takes almost half the time it takes to clear a CZ. So over say a couple of hours you're now spending nearly an hour travelling and only get a little over an hour doing the CZ. How is that a good thing?

As I said I agree that we shouldn't need to relog BUT we shouldn't have to go back and forth to the station either. A simple solution is to allow CMDRs to continue on to the next CZ if they want to. Either add a button to play the next CZ on the results board at the end of the CZ or just start another CZ a minute later and allow the CMDR to choose to join in that one. No need for relogging and no need for going back to the station and wasting the players time.

What blows my mind is that I'm having to sit here typing this to tell Frontier how they can do it. Surely they don't need telling? They must already know that they could curb relogging without ruining how we want to play? If that is the case though then that means that they are purposefully making the game less enjoyable for their players, which again blows my mind if that is true. I just don't understand Frontiers actions at all. It always seems like they look for any option that will make the game less enjoyable and then go with that option. It really does seem like they hate the players having fun.
 

ferus

ferus
Logan Terrick said:
It really does seem like they hate the players having fun.
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"We value the player's time."
So we introduce options that prevent from players having fun for more than 15 minutes at a time.

I mean ED is already full of some kind of waiting or another (SC travel, ship transfers, FC jumps, having to wait out notoriety when you are locked out of stations with specific factions and perhaps some other). Why not add more?

I'm not saying everything must be instantenous (we are already used to the slower pace of the game) but why does FDev insist on adding more and more time sink instead of content? It's like they are actively trying to discourage players from playing the game the way they want.
 

Logan Terrick

Logan Terrick
ferus said:
"We value the player's time."
So we introduce options that prevent from players having fun for more than 15 minutes at a time.
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Exactly, practically every action that Frontier has taken over the past few years directly contradicts that statement.

Frontier needs to show that they value the players time not say it.
 

Mr.ziPPeR

Mr.ziPPeR
At least make us respawn in our ship orbitting the planet if we come to the CZ by our own means...

I respawned 200 ly away with my ship still docked on the planet. How is that a feature ? 1 hour wasted to go back to the CZ with Apex.

FD do you value our time ?
 

photomankc

photomankc
Its like so many other things. In a way I agree with them but as always they just err on the side of making things painful. On low G worlds it's not so bad. Bunny hop on out the 350M it takes and relog. On anything more than .3G that stops being as effective and by .7G completely worthless. Get ready to spend ages sprinting and then slow walking.

Allow an option to re-deploy to this CZ that skips the whole SC back and forth. A transition to black with a spinning circle and then the full decent phase into the CZ again once it is reset and active. Would take just about the same amount of time, allow the team to stick together, and allow people to work in several efficiently.

This teleportation to the station thing is terrible. People who came in their own ships get separated from it. Sometimes LARGE distances because carriers do not count and that is garbage. Absolute garbage. If the last station you were in has no ship yard you're hosed and you have to apex to a large pad port and wait for the transfer. If you had cargo in your ship you are hosed (apex to the planet and recall if you can). That's not a good change and if they are washing their hands of it "so you stop relogging" thats crappy.

So is doing this without a word said, FDev's biggest weakness sometimes. I was lucky, only got teleported 50LY first time. Others I know got shipped much further. Guess how long they kept playing after that?
 
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Screemonster

Screemonster
I'd settle for recalling my ship when a zone has completed placing it somewhere closer than half a kilometre away.

While I agree that relogging is something the devs shouldn't be encouraging since it's nonimmersive, maybe the game shouldn't be set up in such a way that relogging seems like a good idea in the first place?

This goes for HGEs too. Nobody would relog at those if there was a reasonable (not even necessarily better) way to get the things they spawn.
 
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XpressioN

XpressioN
Good morning and o7 @sallymorganmoore

Can you kindly discuss with your colleagues a way forward to sort this inconvenience we currently have after the latest update. As it was before the update, we could enrol ourselves at a station that gives on-foot CZ missions, get on the dropship / our ship and head to the CZ settlement. Once this is accomplished we could either press 6 and return back to the station, or else exit to the main menu, relog and enjoy doing ground CZ as much as we loved doing it.
From U13 onwards, when we relog we end up back to the station, ending up having to spend more time traveling to the ground CZ settlement than actually enjoying the CZ role. Unfortunately we have an issue here, in that, imagine a settlement in CZ that is 350Ls away from the station. This will take 20mins to go there alone, either by ship or by dropship.
While doing on-ship CZs, is simply get into super-cruise and back in to the CZ, the on-foot is way too much time consuming. After work and family I spend my remaining limited free time playing the game I love, ED, however as it has become right now, playing this role in the game has become a one off, and for those that have started playing this game, like my son, would take years to just get the Mercenary rank to Elite. With all due respect for many of us, we will find this frustrating and opt out in doing ground-CZs.
Can you please and kindly suggest to change the way we could do these ground CZ, either by prolonging the CZ itself to an indefinite time, or have an option once the CZ is completed to get in the CZ again, while we're still at the settlement. Press 6 to recall dropship and head back to the station, Press 5 to re-enter CZ, choose a side and enjoy.
Wish you and your colleagues a good day ahead.

o7
 
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metatheurgist

metatheurgist
XpressioN said:
Good morning and o7 @sallymorganmoore

Can you kindly discuss with your colleagues a way forward to sort this inconvenience we currently have after the latest update. As it was before the update, we could enrol ourselves at a station that gives on-foot CZ missions, get on the dropship / our ship and head to the CZ settlement. Once this is accomplished we could either press 6 and return back to the station, or else exit to the main menu, relog and enjoy doing ground CZ as much as we loved doing it.
From U13 onwards, when we relog we end up back to the station, ending up having to spend more time traveling to the ground CZ settlement than actually enjoying the CZ role. Unfortunately we have an issue here, in that, imagine a settlement in CZ that is 350Ls away from the station. This will take 20mins to go there alone, either by ship or by dropship.
While doing on-ship CZs, is simply get into super-cruise and back in to the CZ, the on-foot is way too much time consuming. After work and family I spend my remaining limited free time playing the game I love, ED, however as it has become right now, playing this role in the game has become a one off, and for those that have started playing this game, like my son, would take years to just get the Mercenary rank to Elite. With all due respect for many of us, we will find this frustrating and opt out in doing ground-CZs.
Can you please and kindly suggest to change the way we could do these ground CZ, either by prolonging the CZ itself to an indefinite time, or have an option once the CZ is completed to get in the CZ again, while we're still at the settlement. Press 6 to recall dropship and head back to the station, Press 5 to re-enter CZ, choose a side and enjoy.
Wish you and your colleagues a good day ahead.

o7
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I suggest for long flights you take your ship instead. It will still be a long walk but much better than the dropship.
 

Tikanderoga

Tikanderoga
I know it's not a popular opinion, but I'm a strong supporter of Fade to black and there you are for these forced waiting periods.
"But mah ehmereshun"... I hear you! Not everyone is made of immersion time, some people have limited time, and other simply value their time by not having to wait for something to happen.
Especially with on foot CZ, we really should be able to skip the travel time. It doesn't add anything to the game, and if you know you got a 5+ minute shuttle ride ahead of you, i doubt you'll sit in front of your screen in excitement, watch that counter go down before you finally get to drop.

We already got the fade to black for the famous armstrong moments (POP there you are!). might as well pile on.
 

HansAcker

HansAcker
I suspect that this re-log to station is caused by the same change that automatically de-lists one from the war after the CZ ends.
It used to be that you could just walk from the dropship to the Frontier counter and they'd book a new drop for the same faction at the same installation.
Now I need to click through the whole thing again.

It might have a smoothing effect on the BGS, though, if Cmdrs don't just battle on the same side for the same settlement over and over again.
 
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