Power Security Force:

EvoBeardy

EvoBeardy
Soo, silly question; but should Power Security Forces be roaming around your carrier and shooting everyone that's not aligned with their faction?

Just jumped out to my FC and saw a poor NPC T9 aligned with Aisling get obliterated, went to land and got scanned by a Power Security Force vessel aligned with Lavigny and it promptly started opening fire on me.
I'm aligned with Li Yong-Rui (Rank 0, like 32 merits and don't kill opposing faction members etc), but I didn't expect to not be able to land at my own carrier (or I imagine a starport?) if in a hostile PP system.

Can anyone clarify that this is intended and I now have to be careful in other PP systems? It used to be you'd just get interdicted and whatnot, but I didn't expect this kind of hostility, as when PP2.0 first came about, I ventured into an opposing faction's fleet and didn't get obliterated, so I'm curious if this is a change and I now need to be super wary or what.

[EDIT] Okay so second return to my FC a bit later, try to avoid getting scanned by this Power Security dude but I'm in my Cutter, so get scanned by him just as I'm trying to land and my FC starts taking shots at me... That can't be right, can it?

Thanks. :)
 
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serakfalcon

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Are you by any chance hostile with the local faction or in a active warzone? In my experience most "enemy" systems are pretty chill but I did get actively shot at when my undermining activities dropped a local faction down to Hostile
 

Screemonster

Screemonster
You're in enemy territory. Some of us have been used to flying wanted for years.

Try parking your carrier in an unoccupied system next door if you don't want to deal with the consequences of being hostile in the jurisdiction in which you're operating.
 

Clockdistrict

Clockdistrict
Powerplay is effectively a war system, you're publically flying the flag of an enemy, of COURSE they're going to shoot at you. Either accept the risk or don't pledge. It's that simple.

You cannot have all the reward without risk.
 

Rubbernuke

Rubbernuke
Local sec will be the limiting factor and not PP sec since Powerplay NPCs got hit with nerfs.

So if you have your FC in a high sec system (for example) after a bit of UM and you get hostile, your FC will be surrounded by angry sec forces very quickly. This is also the only place where ATR become persistent (unless it changed from previous non PP betas where I tested).
 

EvoBeardy

EvoBeardy
serakfalcon said:
Are you by any chance hostile with the local faction or in a active warzone? In my experience most "enemy" systems are pretty chill but I did get actively shot at when my undermining activities dropped a local faction down to Hostile
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No to both, I've always tried to maintain at least neutral relations with local factions where possible, though to ally with some you've got to annoy others, local factions no, just the overall PP faction.
And yeah, previous experience with pledging and PP was the odd person interdicting you here and there, but otherwise no major hostilites like this just for simply being in an opposing PP faction's space.
Okay just saw that the PP status is barely in Stronghold state, so I'm guessing in this state they're a bit more pokey than others then. Never came across this before, hence my curiosity.

Appreciate the answers. :)

Screemonster said:
You're in enemy territory. Some of us have been used to flying wanted for years.

Try parking your carrier in an unoccupied system next door if you don't want to deal with the consequences of being hostile in the jurisdiction in which you're operating.
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Clockdistrict said:
Powerplay is effectively a war system, you're publically flying the flag of an enemy, of COURSE they're going to shoot at you. Either accept the risk or don't pledge. It's that simple.

You cannot have all the reward without risk.
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Yup, that's fair, just in my casual 3.5k hours over 9yrs of playing ED, I've never been attacked (other than being interderdicted) by an opposing PP faction, and never at my Fleet Carrier, and I've parked it all over the place, hence my question.
If being in a Stronghold system is indeed the reason, then I must've been super lucky over the last few years because I've gone about my business and as I said, other than the odd interdiction, never had any interference. So I was curious if this was amped with the new PP2.0 or if it had been an ongoing thing that I'd just manage to somehow avoid.
Not looking for reward without the risk, just as stated above, moreso as my own FC started popping at me too.

Ian Doncaster said:
I've never had to be particularly careful even when actively Undermining a system, but it will depend a bit on the system type - have you parked your carrier in an enemy Stronghold, or just one of their normal Exploited/Fortified systems?
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Yeah, other than the ol' leaflet drop, I never really actively took part in any PP stuff before in all honesty.
And I guess I managed to get lucky if being in an enemy Stronghold system netted this action, 'cos I just looked at the System PP information and it is indeed Stronghold. Guess that's something to pay attention to going forwards.

It's funny because the system in question I was parked in for like a year+, hopping out briefly for activities with friends and the likes, then back again. Hence my sudden confusion at the change.

Apreciate all your replies, had simply never had an encounter like this at my FC or in general at Stronghold systems and wondered if this was a thing to be aware of going forwards, and also whether this kind of hostility will now be at Stations in enemy PP Stronghold systems also, because my own FC took shots at me once the Power Security Force ship scanned me, which isn't something I was expecting and definitely don't want a Station doing the same thing.:LOL:
 

EvoBeardy

EvoBeardy
Rubbernuke said:
Local sec will be the limiting factor and not PP sec since Powerplay NPCs got hit with nerfs.

So if you have your FC in a high sec system (for example) after a bit of UM and you get hostile, your FC will be surrounded by angry sec forces very quickly. This is also the only place where ATR become persistent (unless it changed from previous non PP betas where I tested).
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Gotcha.

So it is in a High Security system, that's evidently just gone into a Stronghold state.
I haven't done any undermining personally (only got like 32 merits accidentally for doing my normal business) under the new system, and the old system I only ever did the leaflet drop for the PP Modules, never took part in it actively.

I didn't know the information you just provided, so I'm grateful for that.
As said above, I must've just been super lucky over the years when in enemy Stronghold systems and this system in particular must've just gotten a bit more activity from players to enter the Stronghold state and I didn't notice.

Again, grateful for the information, I need to be a bit more careful about where I'm parked up and the system's Security and PP status, as my game style over the years hasn't had to take this into account.
I'll also relay this to my friends in Discord as they'll have no idea about this either, so they don't get blown up with Explo data or something (My brother has had awful luck with that lol).

More miffed that my own FC shot at me over everything else. :LOL:

Thanks again all. :)
 

Screemonster

Screemonster
EvoBeardy said:
Yup, that's fair, just in my casual 3.5k hours over 9yrs of playing ED, I've never been attacked (other than being interderdicted) by an opposing PP faction, and never at my Fleet Carrier, and I've parked it all over the place, hence my question.
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Power security forces have only really been a thing since the new powerplay. Old powerplay ships would ignore you if you weren't carrying merits or commodities - the new ones will go for anyone they consider an enemy.
 

grue2u

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EvoBeardy said:
[EDIT] Okay so second return to my FC a bit later, try to avoid getting scanned by this Power Security dude but I'm in my Cutter, so get scanned by him just as I'm trying to land and my FC starts taking shots at me... That can't be right, can it?

Thanks. :)
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Yeah, it seems to have changed. I was going about my business in a T9, landing on a planet in an opposing power system, and I was shot to pieces on the landing pad by power security. No response from system security at all (well within the installation no fire zone). Never had anything like that happen before. The report shows them firing on me for "unknown reason".
 

Felix DiCestria

Felix DiCestria
I was unloading a carrier in an Archer system. I assume a stronghold but the Archer ships were shooting something every-single-time. This was before I pledged so when they scanned me I got told I was fine and if I liked how Archer was running the place I might consider pledging...🤣
 

IcaroDM

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Ok, I understand that being aligned with a power means being treated as an enemy in other powers system. However, why do I receive a bounty when I attack a "Clean" enemy within my power's territory? If i'm not looking for any combat and someone (specially Power security forces) initiates a fight against me within their territory, and I defeat them, why do I also receive a bounty for attacking back? Doesn't seems fair...
 
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