TFW when 3 animals from picture dont live in amazon rainforest and additionaly its not scarlet macaw.
Predictions for a Jungles Animal Pack in 2023
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All of these except the sloth live in the amazon basin afaik, no?
Edit: had the wrong species of sloth in mind.
From my post in the Spring Dlc Speculation thread where I laid out all four of my predictions for 2023:
Rainforest Animals Pack
Rainforest Animals Pack
- South American coati
- Red river hog
- Golden lion tamarin
- Black howler monkey
- Southern tamandua
- Colobus monkey
- Ocelot
- Macaws
So how would Frontier approach such a pack?
1. Continental Representation
If it's not region based (we seem to have left those packs behind, but who knows) then I believe it will receive similar treatment as Wetlands and Grasslands in regards of continent coverage. Let's see:
Wetlands: 2 SA, 3 AS, 1 AF, 1 AU and 1 EU
Grasslands: 2 SA*, 2 AU, 2 AS/AF, 1 AF and bunch of Butterflies from all around
*Armadillo can also count as a NA
3 seems to be highest number for one continent, even tho our pool of info is so shallow (Only two packs), let's go with that idea for now
However. Seeing how much SA needs the boost to their roster, and seeing how rich the rainforest roster is for other continents, let's bump that number by 1
If we choose 4 of those to be for SA, then let's give 2 to AF and 1 for AU (OC). Exhibit will be a point for itself
I feel like Asian jungles are pretty fairly represented and the continent itself, so it can rest for this pack.
2. Rigs
I'm somewhat shaky here, because I don't spend a lot of time with animals in game than I am building for them, so I am not sure how many animals that we got in animal packs were using 1 for 1 rig of other animal already in game.
I am talking no additional behavior, not necessarily re-skin.
Of the top of my head: Dhole, Tapir, Cougar, Caiman, Water Buffalo and Lechwe?
Of course, this doesn't mean it's automatically bad thing. Not all animals have some wacky behavior exclusive to them.
Talking about mostly or completely new rigs in animal packs, I'd say average number per DLC is 2, with some packs having less (Is Binturong completely new?)
So we go with that number as well, let's make it 2
Let's also go with 1 re-skin, to be realistic. It doesn't need to be Malayan Tapir, just an animal that needs to extra adjustments animation-wise
3. META Wishlist
This one seems less consistent than other "parameters" , but let's say, generally, that there's always 1-2 oddballs (compared to popularity on Meta Wishlist) in each pack
Nutrit defined oddball as an animal below 30th place on The List, so I'm fine with that one, but again this section is least consistent, therefore most arbitrary
4. Sloth
Can they make Sloth happen? And how would they approach it? Would it even be habitat animal?
They've been putting out brand new stuff consistently as of lately, so I wouldn't be surprised if they pull out Sloth as a habitat animal with no problems.
But as a layman I wouldn't know how that would've been done. So I'm gonna make two versions of pack: With and without Sloth
5. Carnivorans
Carnivorans seem inevitable in each pack, so we will continue that trend, because remember: This is no wishlist, more of a "prediction" on how Frontier would do it.
We will include one, but because of nature of the pack, and spots it needs to fill, let's keep it at that minimum
6. Too early for birds?
Some would say that, the path Walkthrough Exhibits are on, is clear hint towards flying birds inclusion - sooner rather than later
Others say: That idea is faulty, WEs were feature in of itself, there's no bigger picture to that
Then some say even if it is a hint, it's not promising one because birds should've be full habitat animals
And all of them have some points. That's why I'll also make two versions of list one with and one without birds
7. Orders
Firstly I thought including many monkeys in the pack was more on the wish side of things than on reality, but seeing as order of Carnivora has 11 members in 4 animal packs I see no problem in including 3 Primates as well in one pack
So what we have at the end? Roster of 4 SA, 2 AF and 1 AU(OC) animals
2 Unique rigs, 1 Re-skin, One of Carnivora, Three Primates and 2 oddballs
As for exhibit let's have birds in first iteration of the list, for WE, and we'll also include non-feathery alternatives for replacement
This is first version:
1. Linneaus's Two Toed Sloth
2. Goodfellow's Tree Kangaroo
3. Ocelot
4. Mantled Guereza
5. Red River Hog
6. Geoffrey's Spider Monkey
7. Guaianian Squirrel Monkey
8. Macaws: Scarlet, Military, Blue and Yellow
4 SA: (Sloth, Ocelot, Spider and Squirrel Monkey)
2 AF: (Hog and Guereza)
1 OC: (Tree Kangaroo)
Above 30 on The List: Sloth, Ocelot, Hog, Tree Kangaroo
Below 30 on The List: Guereza, Spider and Squirrel Monkey
Unique Rigs: Sloth and Tree Kangaroo
Possible Re-Skins: Ocelot and Red River Hog
*If we can't have Sloth, the slot can be taken by Coati or Tamandua
*Possible replacement for Macaws could be hummingbirds which wouldn't be stepping too far away from butterflies
*But if birds are just not an option, at all, we could have regular exhibit this time with Chameleon or Emerald Boa
1. Continental Representation
If it's not region based (we seem to have left those packs behind, but who knows) then I believe it will receive similar treatment as Wetlands and Grasslands in regards of continent coverage. Let's see:
Wetlands: 2 SA, 3 AS, 1 AF, 1 AU and 1 EU
Grasslands: 2 SA*, 2 AU, 2 AS/AF, 1 AF and bunch of Butterflies from all around
*Armadillo can also count as a NA
3 seems to be highest number for one continent, even tho our pool of info is so shallow (Only two packs), let's go with that idea for now
However. Seeing how much SA needs the boost to their roster, and seeing how rich the rainforest roster is for other continents, let's bump that number by 1
If we choose 4 of those to be for SA, then let's give 2 to AF and 1 for AU (OC). Exhibit will be a point for itself
I feel like Asian jungles are pretty fairly represented and the continent itself, so it can rest for this pack.
2. Rigs
I'm somewhat shaky here, because I don't spend a lot of time with animals in game than I am building for them, so I am not sure how many animals that we got in animal packs were using 1 for 1 rig of other animal already in game.
I am talking no additional behavior, not necessarily re-skin.
Of the top of my head: Dhole, Tapir, Cougar, Caiman, Water Buffalo and Lechwe?
Of course, this doesn't mean it's automatically bad thing. Not all animals have some wacky behavior exclusive to them.
Talking about mostly or completely new rigs in animal packs, I'd say average number per DLC is 2, with some packs having less (Is Binturong completely new?)
So we go with that number as well, let's make it 2
Let's also go with 1 re-skin, to be realistic. It doesn't need to be Malayan Tapir, just an animal that needs to extra adjustments animation-wise
3. META Wishlist
This one seems less consistent than other "parameters" , but let's say, generally, that there's always 1-2 oddballs (compared to popularity on Meta Wishlist) in each pack
Nutrit defined oddball as an animal below 30th place on The List, so I'm fine with that one, but again this section is least consistent, therefore most arbitrary
4. Sloth
Can they make Sloth happen? And how would they approach it? Would it even be habitat animal?
They've been putting out brand new stuff consistently as of lately, so I wouldn't be surprised if they pull out Sloth as a habitat animal with no problems.
But as a layman I wouldn't know how that would've been done. So I'm gonna make two versions of pack: With and without Sloth
5. Carnivorans
Carnivorans seem inevitable in each pack, so we will continue that trend, because remember: This is no wishlist, more of a "prediction" on how Frontier would do it.
We will include one, but because of nature of the pack, and spots it needs to fill, let's keep it at that minimum
6. Too early for birds?
Some would say that, the path Walkthrough Exhibits are on, is clear hint towards flying birds inclusion - sooner rather than later
Others say: That idea is faulty, WEs were feature in of itself, there's no bigger picture to that
Then some say even if it is a hint, it's not promising one because birds should've be full habitat animals
And all of them have some points. That's why I'll also make two versions of list one with and one without birds
7. Orders
Firstly I thought including many monkeys in the pack was more on the wish side of things than on reality, but seeing as order of Carnivora has 11 members in 4 animal packs I see no problem in including 3 Primates as well in one pack
So what we have at the end? Roster of 4 SA, 2 AF and 1 AU(OC) animals
2 Unique rigs, 1 Re-skin, One of Carnivora, Three Primates and 2 oddballs
As for exhibit let's have birds in first iteration of the list, for WE, and we'll also include non-feathery alternatives for replacement
This is first version:
1. Linneaus's Two Toed Sloth
2. Goodfellow's Tree Kangaroo
3. Ocelot
4. Mantled Guereza
5. Red River Hog
6. Geoffrey's Spider Monkey
7. Guaianian Squirrel Monkey
8. Macaws: Scarlet, Military, Blue and Yellow
4 SA: (Sloth, Ocelot, Spider and Squirrel Monkey)
2 AF: (Hog and Guereza)
1 OC: (Tree Kangaroo)
Above 30 on The List: Sloth, Ocelot, Hog, Tree Kangaroo
Below 30 on The List: Guereza, Spider and Squirrel Monkey
Unique Rigs: Sloth and Tree Kangaroo
Possible Re-Skins: Ocelot and Red River Hog
*If we can't have Sloth, the slot can be taken by Coati or Tamandua
*Possible replacement for Macaws could be hummingbirds which wouldn't be stepping too far away from butterflies
*But if birds are just not an option, at all, we could have regular exhibit this time with Chameleon or Emerald Boa
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I kinda hope they do like the butterflies and add multiple Tamarins as WEs.So how would Frontier approach such a pack?
1. Continental Representation
If it's not region based (we seem to have left those packs behind, but who knows) then I believe it will receive similar treatment as Wetlands and Grasslands in regards of continent coverage. Let's see:
Wetlands: 2 SA, 3 AS, 1 AF, 1 AU and 1 EU
Grasslands: 2 SA*, 2 AU, 2 AS/AF, 1 AF and bunch of Butterflies from all around
*Armadillo can also count as a NA
3 seems to be highest number for one continent, even tho our pool of info is so shallow (Only two packs), let's go with that idea for now
However. Seeing how much SA needs the boost to their roster, and seeing how rich the rainforest roster is for other continents, let's bump that number by 1
If we choose 4 of those to be for SA, then let's give 2 to AF and 1 for AU (OC). Exhibit will be a point for itself
I feel like Asian jungles are pretty fairly represented and the continent itself, so it can rest for this pack.
2. Rigs
I'm somewhat shaky here, because I don't spend a lot of time with animals in game than I am building for them, so I am not sure how many animals that we got in animal packs were using 1 for 1 rig of other animal already in game.
I am talking no additional behavior, not necessarily re-skin.
Of the top of my head: Dhole, Tapir, Cougar, Caiman, Water Buffalo and Lechwe?
Of course, this doesn't mean it's automatically bad thing. Not all animals have some wacky behavior exclusive to them.
Talking about mostly or completely new rigs in animal packs, I'd say average number per DLC is 2, with some packs having less (Is Binturong completely new?)
So we go with that number as well, let's make it 2
Let's also go with 1 re-skin, to be realistic. It doesn't need to be Malayan Tapir, just an animal that needs to extra adjustments animation-wise
3. META Wishlist
This one seems less consistent than other "parameters" , but let's say, generally, that there's always 1-2 oddballs (compared to popularity on Meta Wishlist) in each pack
Nutrit defined oddball as an animal below 30th place on The List, so I'm fine with that one, but again this section is least consistent, therefore most arbitrary
4. Sloth
Can they make Sloth happen? And how would they approach it? Would it even be habitat animal?
They've been putting out brand new stuff consistently as of lately, so I wouldn't be surprised if they pull out Sloth as a habitat animal with no problems.
But as a layman I wouldn't know how that would've been done. So I'm gonna make two versions of pack: With and without Sloth
5. Carnivorans
Carnivorans seem inevitable in each pack, so we will continue that trend, because remember: This is no wishlist, more of a "prediction" on how Frontier would do it.
We will include one, but because of nature of the pack, and spots it needs to fill, let's keep it at that minimum
6. Too early for birds?
Some would say that, the path Walkthrough Exhibits are on, is clear hint towards flying birds inclusion - sooner rather than later
Others say: That idea is faulty, WEs were feature in of itself, there's no bigger picture to that
Then some say even if it is a hint, it's not promising one because birds should've be full habitat animals
And all of them have some points. That's why I'll also make two versions of list one with and one without birds
7. Orders
Firstly I thought including many monkeys in the pack was more on the wish side of things than on reality, but seeing as order of Carnivora has 11 members in 4 animal packs I see no problem in including 3 Primates as well in one pack
So what we have at the end? Roster of 4 SA, 2 AF and 1 AU(OC) animals
2 Unique rigs, 1 Re-skin, One of Carnivora, Three Primates and 2 oddballs
As for exhibit let's have birds in first iteration of the list, for WE, and we'll also include non-feathery alternatives for replacement
This is first version:
1. Linneaus's Two Toed Sloth
2. Goodfellow's Tree Kangaroo
3. Ocelot
4. Mantled Guereza
5. Red River Hog
6. Geoffrey's Spider Monkey
7. Guaianian Squirrel Monkey
8. Macaws: Scarlet, Military, Blue and Yellow
4 SA: (Sloth, Ocelot, Spider and Squirrel Monkey)
2 AF: (Hog and Guereza)
1 OC: (Tree Kangaroo)
Above 30 on The List: Sloth, Ocelot, Hog, Tree Kangaroo
Below 30 on The List: Guereza, Spider and Squirrel Monkey
Unique Rigs: Sloth and Tree Kangaroo
Possible Re-Skins: Ocelot and Red River Hog
*If we can't have Sloth, the slot can be taken by Coati or Tamandua
*Possible replacement for Macaws could be hummingbirds which wouldn't bee stepping too far away from butterflies
*But if birds are just not an option, at all, we could have regular exhibit this time with Chameleon or Emerald Boa
Thought about that idea.
Still am not sure if I'm WE or Habitat camp regarding Tamarins. But if they ever indicate non flying animals for WEs, then those automatically become one of the first options.
Until then I limited myself to flying critters
Something in lines:
1. Golden Lion Tamarin
2. Matschie's Tree Kangaroo
3. Two-toed Sloth
WE Macaws* (blue-and-yellow, buffon's, scarlet, blue-throated, hyacinth)
Frontier generosity in animation department ends here, now only simple ones.
4. Red River Hog
5. Ocelot
6. Visayan Deer
7. Lar Gibbon
Macaw species based on frontier's zoo tycoon xbox roster.
1. Golden Lion Tamarin
2. Matschie's Tree Kangaroo
3. Two-toed Sloth
WE Macaws* (blue-and-yellow, buffon's, scarlet, blue-throated, hyacinth)
Frontier generosity in animation department ends here, now only simple ones.
4. Red River Hog
5. Ocelot
6. Visayan Deer
7. Lar Gibbon
Macaw species based on frontier's zoo tycoon xbox roster.
Reason I want them as WEs is that their climbing is way too detailed and intricate for the ingame climbing system. I'd rather have a good and realistic climbing in a preset enclosure for them rather than a wonky climbing on huge platforms which tamarins don't climb on irl.
That's also a fair point
I like your analysis and my thoughts about it are around those same lines.So how would Frontier approach such a pack?
1. Continental Representation
If it's not region based (we seem to have left those packs behind, but who knows) then I believe it will receive similar treatment as Wetlands and Grasslands in regards of continent coverage. Let's see:
Wetlands: 2 SA, 3 AS, 1 AF, 1 AU and 1 EU
Grasslands: 2 SA*, 2 AU, 2 AS/AF, 1 AF and bunch of Butterflies from all around
*Armadillo can also count as a NA
3 seems to be highest number for one continent, even tho our pool of info is so shallow (Only two packs), let's go with that idea for now
However. Seeing how much SA needs the boost to their roster, and seeing how rich the rainforest roster is for other continents, let's bump that number by 1
If we choose 4 of those to be for SA, then let's give 2 to AF and 1 for AU (OC). Exhibit will be a point for itself
I feel like Asian jungles are pretty fairly represented and the continent itself, so it can rest for this pack.
2. Rigs
I'm somewhat shaky here, because I don't spend a lot of time with animals in game than I am building for them, so I am not sure how many animals that we got in animal packs were using 1 for 1 rig of other animal already in game.
I am talking no additional behavior, not necessarily re-skin.
Of the top of my head: Dhole, Tapir, Cougar, Caiman, Water Buffalo and Lechwe?
Of course, this doesn't mean it's automatically bad thing. Not all animals have some wacky behavior exclusive to them.
Talking about mostly or completely new rigs in animal packs, I'd say average number per DLC is 2, with some packs having less (Is Binturong completely new?)
So we go with that number as well, let's make it 2
Let's also go with 1 re-skin, to be realistic. It doesn't need to be Malayan Tapir, just an animal that needs to extra adjustments animation-wise
3. META Wishlist
This one seems less consistent than other "parameters" , but let's say, generally, that there's always 1-2 oddballs (compared to popularity on Meta Wishlist) in each pack
Nutrit defined oddball as an animal below 30th place on The List, so I'm fine with that one, but again this section is least consistent, therefore most arbitrary
4. Sloth
Can they make Sloth happen? And how would they approach it? Would it even be habitat animal?
They've been putting out brand new stuff consistently as of lately, so I wouldn't be surprised if they pull out Sloth as a habitat animal with no problems.
But as a layman I wouldn't know how that would've been done. So I'm gonna make two versions of pack: With and without Sloth
5. Carnivorans
Carnivorans seem inevitable in each pack, so we will continue that trend, because remember: This is no wishlist, more of a "prediction" on how Frontier would do it.
We will include one, but because of nature of the pack, and spots it needs to fill, let's keep it at that minimum
6. Too early for birds?
Some would say that, the path Walkthrough Exhibits are on, is clear hint towards flying birds inclusion - sooner rather than later
Others say: That idea is faulty, WEs were feature in of itself, there's no bigger picture to that
Then some say even if it is a hint, it's not promising one because birds should've be full habitat animals
And all of them have some points. That's why I'll also make two versions of list one with and one without birds
7. Orders
Firstly I thought including many monkeys in the pack was more on the wish side of things than on reality, but seeing as order of Carnivora has 11 members in 4 animal packs I see no problem in including 3 Primates as well in one pack
So what we have at the end? Roster of 4 SA, 2 AF and 1 AU(OC) animals
2 Unique rigs, 1 Re-skin, One of Carnivora, Three Primates and 2 oddballs
As for exhibit let's have birds in first iteration of the list, for WE, and we'll also include non-feathery alternatives for replacement
This is first version:
1. Linneaus's Two Toed Sloth
2. Goodfellow's Tree Kangaroo
3. Ocelot
4. Mantled Guereza
5. Red River Hog
6. Geoffrey's Spider Monkey
7. Guaianian Squirrel Monkey
8. Macaws: Scarlet, Military, Blue and Yellow
4 SA: (Sloth, Ocelot, Spider and Squirrel Monkey)
2 AF: (Hog and Guereza)
1 OC: (Tree Kangaroo)
Above 30 on The List: Sloth, Ocelot, Hog, Tree Kangaroo
Below 30 on The List: Guereza, Spider and Squirrel Monkey
Unique Rigs: Sloth and Tree Kangaroo
Possible Re-Skins: Ocelot and Red River Hog
*If we can't have Sloth, the slot can be taken by Coati or Tamandua
*Possible replacement for Macaws could be hummingbirds which wouldn't be stepping too far away from butterflies
*But if birds are just not an option, at all, we could have regular exhibit this time with Chameleon or Emerald Boa
However i don't think we'll get 3 monkeys in apack like this. I'm hoping for at least 2. I want howlers as well but i understand why spider monkeys are more apealing. And i think we need at least one primate from Africa. The Mantled guereza is also my choice of preference but i can see them doing diana or some other one.
I don't think is that unlikely to get 4 SA habitat animals so in my head it also exists an islands pack that includes the tree kangaroo and its spot here is occupied by other arboreal SA be it coati or tamandua (or if they prove me wrong a third monkey).
And i would like at least one tropical habitat bird. The scarlet ibis is my top choice for it.
If Grasslands is anything to go by we have to consider that frontier may leave some of the obvious or requested pick out in favor for some "random" picks, like striped hyeana and blue wildebeest. Could totaly see them put in Bantengs or African forest elephants while the coati or howler monkeys dont make the cut 
Oooh I would hate thatIf Grasslands is anything to go by we have to consider that frontier may leave some of the obvious or requested pick out in favor for some "random" picks, like striped hyeana and blue wildebeest. Could totaly see them put in Bantengs or African forest elephants while the coati or howler monkeys dont make the cut
But you're right tho. That's something worth looking out for. One can always dream for quality of NA animal pack roster can't we
Honestly... i wouldnt even mind to much. With Grasslands i was quite dissapointed that the hyena and wildebeest were chosen over something like porcupines and baboons. But they really grew on me and are now both among my favorite animals ingame cus they are so well madeOooh I would hate that
But you're right tho. That's something worth looking out for. One can always dream for quality of NA animal pack roster can't we
. And im sure that my monkes and prickle breavers will make their way in eventuallyStriped Hyena was highly requested, at place of 50 on the wishlist with over 70 votes.If Grasslands is anything to go by we have to consider that frontier may leave some of the obvious or requested pick out in favor for some "random" picks, like striped hyeana and blue wildebeest. Could totaly see them put in Bantengs or African forest elephants while the coati or howler monkeys dont make the cut
And also the blue wildebeest is a much more useful and popular species than the black one, so i wouldn't call any of those two random picks. Plus if there is an animal that you have to associate with grasslands are blue wildebeest (other than zebras, gazelle, bisons and horses), with their massive and world famous migrations through the african savannah.
Actually i would argue that the choice i prefered (the blackbuck) is a much more "random" or "niche" pick than the wildebeest.
For a jungle pack...
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3 primates would be ideal, though unlikely. The tamandua could take one of these spots in a pinch
4 The Red River Hog is essential
5 And so is a sloth, I presume
6 We need more habitat birds so let's add a jungle fowl or occelated turkey
7 And a small cat species for good measure
A traditional exhibit containing a snake, Chameleon or lizard wouldn't go amiss, but the pack would REALLY pop if we got macaws.
No enrichments or scenery needed either than signs, but please can we have some more plants!
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3 primates would be ideal, though unlikely. The tamandua could take one of these spots in a pinch
4 The Red River Hog is essential
5 And so is a sloth, I presume
6 We need more habitat birds so let's add a jungle fowl or occelated turkey
7 And a small cat species for good measure
A traditional exhibit containing a snake, Chameleon or lizard wouldn't go amiss, but the pack would REALLY pop if we got macaws.
No enrichments or scenery needed either than signs, but please can we have some more plants!
1. Sloth (the headliner)
2. Ibis
3. Spider monkey
4. Tamandua / coati
5. Red river hog
6. Tree kangaroo
7. Fossa
2. Ibis
3. Spider monkey
4. Tamandua / coati
5. Red river hog
6. Tree kangaroo
7. Fossa
Not saying that they are bad picks, or noone wanted them. I mean that they are not the obvious top 10 animals.