Preparing for PZ2 metawishlist

Milurian

Milurian
Stygi said:
We also need to decide when we want to start the wishlist
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Im of the opinion that we should wait for the dust to settle over what we think is the last dlc im thinking either january to start the new year or once console has reached completion. That way we know for sure nothing new is coming since we will likely get another financial report and multiple frontier unlocked.
 

Mjmannella

Mjmannella
yoav_r said:
On the subspecies, what if we allow the to pick from a closed list for the few species where it is relevant?
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This is exactly the sort of arbitrariness that I've been arguing against. We're aiming for as clear of data as possible, and having arbitrary splits in vote between species and subspecies risks complicating the results.
 

Markiz

Markiz
So, did I understand correctly that this metawishlist won't be for whole PZ2, but exclusively for base game, and that there will be completely different list for DLCs?
 

Mjmannella

Mjmannella
I don't think that's been communicated very clearly. My impression was that this would be a list of new animals players wish to see in PZ2 without consideration of existing species.
 

Milurian

Milurian
Markiz said:
So, did I understand correctly that this metawishlist won't be for whole PZ2, but exclusively for base game, and that there will be completely different list for DLCs?
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we are still working out exactly what will happen but due to number of animals the base game will and add as well as impossibility of accurately predicting the format of planet zoo 2 so much of the wishlist will likely need to be redone as soon as the game releases anyway.
More than likely we will restart the list after the game releases due to having to change organisation systems and to avoid alot of disappointment with people who had their entire lists added so wont be able to participate further.
 

conthauberger

C
Now that you have mentioned it. I made a meta wishlist that'll be something for Planet Zoo for more DLC's at a time.

African Animals:

Habitat Animals
  1. Topi/Tsessebe
  2. Common Impala
  3. Steenbok
  4. Marabou Stork
  5. Grey-Crowned Crane
  6. Greater Kudu
  7. Vulturine Guineafowl
  8. Serval
  9. Vervet Monkey
  10. Golden Bamboo Lemur
  11. Honey Badger
  12. Giant Eland
  13. Bushbuck
  14. Olive Baboon
  15. Secretary Bird
  16. Nile Crocodile
  17. Black-Backed Jackal
  18. Aye-Aye
  19. Brown Greater Bushbaby
  20. Sitatunga
  21. Rock Hyrax
  22. Giant Forest Hog
  23. Great White Pelican
  24. Gerenuk
  25. Kori Bustard
  26. Southern Ground Hornbill
  27. White-Billed Stork
  28. Egyptian Goose
  29. Mantled Guereza
  30. Banded Mongoose
  31. African Savannah Hare
Flying Animals:
  1. Red Billed Hornbill
  2. Ruppell’s Vulture
  3. Cattle Egret
  4. Straw-Colored Fruit Bat
  5. African Sacred Ibis
  6. Hildegarde’s Tomb Bat
  7. Lappet-Faced Vulture
  8. Tawny Eagle
  9. Hamerkop
  10. African Hawk Eagle
  11. Martial Eagle
  12. Red-Billed Oxpecker
  13. Rosy-Faced Lovebird
  14. African Grey Parrot
  15. Southern Red Bishop
  16. Lanner Falcon
Full Aquatic Animals
  1. Nile Tilapia
  2. Blue-spotted Tilapia
  3. African Sharptooth Catfish
  4. Bloyet's Cichlid
  5. Shiranus Tilapia
Exhibit Animals
  1. Egyptian Cobra
  2. Black Mamba
  3. African Rock Python
  4. Red-Lipped Snake
  5. William's Dwarf Gecko
  6. African Helmeted Turtle
  7. African Striped Skink
  8. Black-Necked Spitting Cobra
  9. Flap-Necked Chameleon
  10. Jackson’s Chameleon
  11. Emperor Scorpion
  12. Blue-legged Sylvan Katydid
  13. Northern Harvester Termite
  14. East African Weta
  15. Bloyet‘s Armoured Ground Bushcricket
  16. Jewel Longhorn Beetle
  17. Green Vegetable Bug
  18. Kirk's Tailed Slug
  19. African Banana Slug
Asian Animals:

Habitat Animals
  1. Banteng
  2. Blackbuck
  3. Chital Deer
  4. Grey Langur
  5. Lion Tailed Macaque
  6. Rhesus Macaque
  7. Southern Pig Tailed Macaque
  8. Indian Giant Squirrel
  9. Bonnet Macaque
  10. Indian Grey Mongoose
  11. Gaur
  12. Northern Red Muntjac
  13. Asian Palm Civet
  14. Nilgiri Tahr
  15. Indian Hare
  16. Jungle Cat
  17. Himalayan Marmot
  18. Golden Jackal
  19. Black Giant Squirrel
  20. Nilgai
  21. Black-Necked Crane
  22. Painted Stork
  23. Red Junglefowl
  24. Fishing Cat
  25. Wild Yak
Flying Animals
  1. Brahiminy Kite
  2. Black Drongo
  3. Indian Spot-billed Duck
  4. Black-headed Ibis
  5. Indian Vulture
  6. Bearded Vulture
  7. Plum-headed Parakeet
  8. Indian Blackbird
  9. Great Hornbill
  10. Indian Flying Fox
  11. Jungle Babbler
  12. Spotted Owlet
  13. Indian Roller
Exhibit Animals
  1. King Cobra
  2. Indian Black Turtle
  3. Green Tree Viper
  4. Indian Chameleon
  5. Indian Python
  6. Common Green Forest Lizard
  7. Travancore Wolf Snake
  8. Ganges Softshell Turtle
  9. Whitaker’s Termite Hill Gecko
  10. Large Scaled Forest Lizard
  11. Flat-tailed House Gecko
  12. Indian Flapshell Turtle
  13. Slender Loris
  14. Spectral Tarsier
European Animals:

Habitat Animals
  1. European Rabbit
  2. White Stork
  3. European Wildcat
  4. European Hedgehog
  5. European Mole
  6. Eurasian Red Squirrel
  7. European Hare
  8. Common Pheasant
  9. Stone Marten
Flying Animals
  1. Peregrine Falcon
  2. Eurasian Bullfinch
  3. Eurasian Jay
  4. Eurasian Magpie
  5. European Robin
  6. Horshoe Bat
  7. Eurasian Sparrow
Full Aquatic Animals
  1. European Carp
  2. Northern Pike
  3. European Chub
  4. Eurasian Perch
  5. European Minnow
  6. Shanny
Exhibit Animals
  1. Pond Slider
  2. Grass Snake
  3. Italian Wall Lizard
  4. Barred Grass Snake
  5. Common Wall Lizard
North American Animals:

Habitat Animals
  1. American Black Bear
  2. Black-Footed Ferret/American Polecat
  3. Elk/Wapiti
  4. North American River Otter
  5. White-Tailed Deer
  6. Cottontail Rabbit
  7. Coyote
  8. Groundhog/Woodchuck
  9. Virginia Opossum
  10. Eastern Grey Squirrel
  11. Black-Tailed Jackrabbit
  12. Mule Deer
  13. Mountain Goat
  14. Bighorn Sheep
  15. Greater Roadrunner
  16. Wild Turkey
  17. Mallard Duck
  18. Musk Ox
  19. Walrus
  20. Snowshoe Hare
  21. North American Porcupine
  22. Fisher
  23. Roseate Spoonbill
  24. American Flamingo
  25. Wood Stork
  26. Common Loon
  27. Canadian Goose
  28. Californian Valley Quail
  29. Yellow-Bellied Marmot
  30. Hoary Marmot
Flying Animals
  1. Pileated Woodpecker
  2. Bald Eagle
  3. Great Horned Owl
  4. Purple Gallinule
  5. Snail Kite
  6. Red-Tailed Hawk
  7. Golden Eagle
  8. Osprey
  9. Blue Jay
  10. Northern Cardinal
  11. American Robin
  12. Great Grey Owl
  13. Big Brown Bat
  14. Common Raven
  15. Snowy Owl
  16. Long-Tailed Jaeger
  17. Burrowing Owl
  18. Gila Woodpecker
  19. Horned Puffin
  20. Turkey Vulture
  21. Californian Condor
Full Aquatic Animals
  1. Floridan Manatee
  2. Garpike
  3. Hellbender
  4. Gambusia Fish
  5. Sockeye Salmon
  6. Blue Gill
  7. Yellow Perch
  8. Brook Trout
  9. Smallmouth Bass
  10. Goldfish
  11. Rock Bass
Exhibit Animals
  1. White-Footed Mouse
  2. Common Garter Snake
  3. Common Box Turtle
  4. Common Snapping Turtle
  5. North American Racer
  6. North American Racer
  7. Spiny Softshell
  8. Northern Leopard Frog
  9. Eastern Newt
  10. Green Treefrog
South American Animals:

Habitat Animals
  1. South American Coati
  2. Southern Tamandua
  3. Ocelot
  4. Brown/Tufted Capuchin Monkey
  5. Jaguarundi
  6. Golden Lion Tamarin
  7. Greater Rhea
  8. Common Squirrel Monkey
  9. Amazonian Brown Brocket
  10. Mara
  11. White-Bellied Spider Monkey
  12. Bald Uakari
  13. Gray-Bellied Night Monkey
  14. Jabiru
Flying Animals:
  1. Scarlet Macaw
  2. Golden Parakeet
  3. Hyacinth Macaw
  4. Military Macaw
  5. Blue-and-Yellow Macaw
  6. Hoatzin
  7. Toco Toucan
  8. Keel-Billed Toucan
  9. Golden -on-the-Rock
  10. Guira oo
  11. Buff-Necked Ibis
  12. Turquoise-fronted Parrot
  13. Ferruginous Pygmy-Owl
  14. Southern Screamer
  15. King Vulture
  16. Azure Jay
  17. Harpy Eagle
  18. Red-Billed Scythebill
Full Aquatic Animals
  1. Tambaqui Fish
  2. Red-Bellied Piranha
  3. Brazilian Astyanax
  4. Redbreast Tilapia
  5. Golden Dorado
  6. Giant Arapaima
  7. Speckled Peacock Bass
  8. Small-scaled Pacu
  9. Redtail Catfish
  10. Chocolate Cichlid
  11. Fat Oscar
  12. Red-bellied Pacu
Exhibit Animals
  1. Soldier Grasshopper
  2. American Cockroach
  3. Common Giant Turtle Ant
  4. Ceiba Borer
 

aubreykitsune

aubreykitsune
In regards to subspecies, I think I'd handle it similarly to the wild cats on the 25 animal wishlist. The overall count would be at the species level, with subspecies being tallied in parenthesis. So leopards could end up something like this for example:
Leopard (Amur: 20; African: 15; Sri Lankan: 6; Indian: 5; Arabian: 2; Indochinese: 1; Javan: 1)50

I feel the list should be started sooner than January if possible. Now might be our time to influence early planning stages. If PZ2 is Frontier's 2026 game, who knows how much of the roster they have a feel for already.
 

Milurian

Milurian
Fallax said:
How will the decision regarding subspecies affect the dingo? I feel like due to the very complicated situation with its taxonomy, it should be treated as an exception.
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when it comes to it im sure these rare cases will be a joint discussion or left up to the chosen taxonomy source of the group. Im of the opinion the dingo is its own species based on the latest research showing the completely wild new guinea highland dogs and the direct lineages the have with the domestic new guinea singing dogs and dingos.

aubreykitsune said:
In regards to subspecies, I think I'd handle it similarly to the wild cats on the 25 animal wishlist. The overall count would be at the species level, with subspecies being tallied in parenthesis. So leopards could end up something like this for example:
Leopard (Amur: 20; African: 15; Sri Lankan: 6; Indian: 5; Arabian: 2; Indochinese: 1; Javan: 1)50

I feel the list should be started sooner than January if possible. Now might be our time to influence early planning stages. If PZ2 is Frontier's 2026 game, who knows how much of the roster they have a feel for already.
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everyone actually willing to work on the list have decided to not include subspecies so this discussion is over.
what you listed is how it has been treated in the past and is the problem because whilst it looks simple having people vote on subspecies ranking them as a total species vote split by subspecies it really isnt because then the list is full of subspecies which have to then be sorted to the appropriate species and sort through different naming convetions and disputed taxonomy.
 

RightWhale

RightWhale
random goat said:
A separate thread linked to the main meta-wishlist can be made for specific animals' subspecies and domestic breeds. It could be started simultaneously or later down the line by someone else.

I might have time for that one myself tbh.
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So we wouldn’t do domestics on the main wishlist? While I get some don’t like it, I still think domestics have a spot in Planet Zoo.

Or would it be I can place “domestic cow” in my wishlist, but if I want the Watusi cow I would need to be on the domestics wishlist?
 

NachoB

NachoB
RightWhale said:
So we wouldn’t do domestics on the main wishlist? While I get some don’t like it, I still think domestics have a spot in Planet Zoo.

Or would it be I can place “domestic cow” in my wishlist, but if I want the Watusi cow I would need to be on the domestics wishlist?
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Yeah. And specially in the base game so they don't take up more slots later on 🤭😜

Yak (or other cool cattke) and more fowl would be fine though.
 

SuzieSky

SuzieSky
RightWhale said:
So we wouldn’t do domestics on the main wishlist? While I get some don’t like it, I still think domestics have a spot in Planet Zoo.

Or would it be I can place “domestic cow” in my wishlist, but if I want the Watusi cow I would need to be on the domestics wishlist?
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That's exactly what I was thinking. I think it would be both less work for us to manage and give a better estimate of how domestics should be prioritized.
 

RightWhale

RightWhale
SuzieSky said:
That's exactly what I was thinking. I think it would be both less work for us to manage and give a better estimate of how domestics should be prioritized.
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NachoB said:
Yeah. And specially in the base game so they don't take up more slots later on 🤭😜

Yak (or other cool cattke) and more fowl would be fine though.
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I mean I understand why, but wouldn’t that also limit people’s lists? Granted, subspecies are also a tough situation so I understand it.

A domestic chicken could be one of hundreds of breeds, so individually bringing each choice down lower on the list.
 

Stygi

Stygi
RightWhale said:
So we wouldn’t do domestics on the main wishlist? While I get some don’t like it, I still think domestics have a spot in Planet Zoo.

Or would it be I can place “domestic cow” in my wishlist, but if I want the Watusi cow I would need to be on the domestics wishlist?
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Yeah, I was thinking people could just vote for a generic animal same with subspecies and their argue about which one separately, I think domestics should also be counted as separate to their wild versions e.g. you could vote for both wild boar and domestic pig and they would be two separate entries
 
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