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[Helmut Grokenberger]

I feel it is just a generic 'dig' at the folk on the forum that hold a different opinion to themselves - it is normal behaviour here and should be ignored, that normally works...

well I am part of the "critical" population, so I felt addressed. Even if not personally.

the burr pitt channel is always held high by the exact same people in the exact same threads.. so its very likely a response to perceived "positivity".

I wonder if this may be because their channel is not concerned with anything bar enjoying the game? Something that is often frowned upon by so many players / ex-players etc?
I just use the "don't show me" option for channels I have no interest in - that list is much longer than just ED related ones in which I find the content to be of no interest to me.

I think Ratty is right on the money there. The Buurs just do pretty game content with a smidge of humor sprinkled on top. Can't really go wrong with that. Galnet News Digest is in the same vein.

Talk to OA not me, hes right here, and quite friendly if you're nice.

(and between you and me, sorry, i think burr is a white knight, his defense is often very assertive)

EDIT: pps.. personally, i actually enjoy youtube links (and have posted many of OA's videos myself thinking about it). It lets us discuss the idea at home rather than on youtube.

The YT creators aren't really available for discourse here; OA is one of the very few, if not the only one, who faces that challenge from time to time (which is a good thing!). I don't do the YT thing, I don't like to be on YT with an account, and I certainly don't comment in the YT comment section; so I can't really "talk to OA", because from a cynical perspective, he and his colleagues can be seen as "hiding" in their Youtube bubble, because the forums are mean and toxic. And also because they might vehementally disagree with them.

Meanwhile reddit is full of complainers, doomsayers and people which simply are incorrect, but even if you show them evidences you will get downvoted to oblivion, because truth is unpopular, discords are full of "dedicated" players which claim that they are cool and friendly only to insult people doing other loops, because "we are elite of elites", and yt is full of "great" creators, which for whole time have propercies about doom and die of frontier, which claimed that they "end" with elite, because everything is slow and bad, only to return to elite, when they understood, that views amount from non elite content is low, of course this type of creators usually is able to do only doom style vidoes, because it bait more viewers. Of course I understand, that creators need much more content than normal players, because I can repeat X Y times, they cannot do 100 videos about fights in rings
Ngl, observing this whole tribalism with "they are bad, we are gooood" is hillarious.

That's exactly what I meant above with "competing communities". In the eternal words of War's 1975 classic: Why can't we be friends?

 

[Kira Goto]

But, the Matrix / Spire sites are absolutely amazing, the Art team had a field day, I'm sure!

They absolutely did. I thought the Titan was a “Holy slap” reaction… seeing those spires come into view from far high up and finally realizing what you were looking at was more like a “Holy f’n slap”, followed by very quickly dodging the swarms of disruption missiles coming at me when I realized they were coming.

Then some ground exploration(and really great screenshots) followed by “Hm… I thought this looked like a landing pad earlier, let me go see if I can land”… which then was followed by the discovery of actual things to do on foot besides pose for screenshots. Very positively surprised overall. Don’t wanna go into detail too much, of course, because people should absolutely explore those sites for themselves.

 

[Helmut Grokenberger]

They absolutely did. I thought the Titan was a “Holy slap” reaction… seeing those spires come into view from far high up and finally realizing what you were looking at was more like a “Holy f’n slap”, followed by very quickly dodging the swarms of disruption missiles coming at me when I realized they were coming.

Then some ground exploration(and really great screenshots) followed by “Hm… I thought this looked like a landing pad earlier, let me go see if I can land”… which then was followed by the discovery of actual things to do on foot besides pose for screenshots. Very positively surprised overall.

I wasn't feeling too well last night, so I only checked out one spire site very briefly, and only from the air; it was amazing. Not up to par with my first arrival at a Titan, but definitely up there on the shortlist of "woah...!" moments. My first thought was.... "they're building cities now!".

 

[Alien]

A reminder to discuss the post and not the poster.

I would but [REDACTED].

 

[ubermick]

I wasn't feeling too well last night, so I only checked out one spire site very briefly, and only from the air; it was amazing. Not up to par with my first arrival at a Titan, but definitely up there on the shortlist of "woah...!" moments. My first thought was.... "they're building cities now!".

Wait until you walk around down there...

(carefully and quietly!)

 

[Kira Goto]

I wasn't feeling too well last night, so I only checked out one spire site very briefly, and only from the air; it was amazing. Not up to par with my first arrival at a Titan, but definitely up there on the shortlist of "woah...!" moments. My first thought was.... "they're building cities now!".

I guess part of the difference for me was just kinda knowing we were gonna find something big and “ugly”(in the figurative sense) in the center of that caustic cloud.

Arriving at the ‘evolved’ barnacle matrix sites to find those gigantic spires when it was just some creepy bone-looking stuff and a couple of odd barnacles a week earlier was… well, like getting hit in the face by a basketball when you were expecting a baseball to get pitched at you.

 

[Obsidian Ant]

So essentially what this all boils down to is that people gravitate towards youtube content that reflects their own personal perspective in an attempt to reinforce their own opinions. "Ded gamers" love a good sensationalist "Is Elite Dying?" vid, while "White Knights" enjoy tucking into some "Here's me playing Elite and enjoying it!" content.

While others, heaven forbid, just play the game and keep their heads down.

Totally agree. Very much like forum comments where people express their opinion.

I feel you're talking about me; even if you're not, I'll still say my piece. It's my personal perspective.

I wasn't aiming my comment at you at all, nor any one else in specific. It was more aimed at the overall tone of some very loud comments that come from the minority of people, yet who dominate the discussions.

You made a lot of fair points in your post. And yes, I agree that the tribalism between platforms is very silly.

Regarding how Frontier support content creators, they aren't the only ones who do this. And it's very little to do with how many content creators they do or don't have left. I'm also actively engaged with a lot of other communities, such as Microsoft Flight Simulator, Everspace 2, Kerbal Space Program 2 and others. I've always found the developers and CMs of all these studios to be very welcoming and friendly. They are not only interested in videos that cover gameplay, but also like to see opinion pieces too. Everyone will certainly have a different take on that. Some clearly feel that opinion pieces etc. shouldn't be a thing. All I'm trying to say here, is that whilst some people seem to believe that "critical" and "opinion" focused video harm the game, I have never yet spoken to a studio that agrees with that sentiment.

Something that also might be important, in many of the youtuber discussions that have popped up in threads ive also been in, there is alot of.. lets just leave it at criticism.. at yourself and anyone else can think of... YET... the burr pitt channel is always held high by the exact same people in the exact same threads.. so its very likely a response to perceived "positivity".

In the past i would probably have had a more invested conclusion for myself, but today, it seems that youtube can often provide content that affirms every type of opinion.

Also from a personal note.. please don't worry about positivity or negativity. I see you often go into lengthy disclaimers regarding it and it never makes sense why you need to justify yourself as either positive or negative.. Though sometimes.. your content is positive or negative even though you don't intend it to be! Saying its not doesn't help! Receiving and update is fundamentally positive. Frontiers company troubles fundamentally negative!

Also yes another thanks for all the video's. I still watch them. And leave the odd comment

It's possible I'm too cautious in my approach with that. Generally speaking though, my point is that talking about a "negative subjects" such as dropping share prices, doesn't mean that the person themselves is being "negative". It's a negative subject, not a negative sentiment.

 

[Obsidian Ant]

The YT creators aren't really available for discourse here; OA is one of the very few, if not the only one, who faces that challenge from time to time (which is a good thing!). I don't do the YT thing, I don't like to be on YT with an account, and I certainly don't comment in the YT comment section; so I can't really "talk to OA", because from a cynical perspective, he and his colleagues can be seen as "hiding" in their Youtube bubble, because the forums are mean and toxic. And also because they might vehementally disagree with them.

Most of us "YouTubers" are available outside of YouTube to chat with. That can be on Discord, Reddit, Twitter and other places. I personally try to not live in a bubble, which is why I don't limit myself to one single platform.

 

[Shadowsnog]

i think there are 3 points of view that are to be considered in regard of elite youtubers

1st is the company pov, where you provide free pr and free promo. and as much as we all are a loving community and friends and partners and commanders and all is sunshine and flowers, you are also being an unpaid asset to the company and as such will naturaly get very positive feedback from the company for as long as you adhere to their rules. this relationship might provide you some exclusive information or media, perhaps even lend a bit more credibility to your words, but has no influence on how your content will be viewed and received by the general audience.

2nd is the pov of the professional youtuber. every creator chooses the way he wants to engage with the audience. and whether its to provide information, have some fun, be cool or whatever else, you also have to attract some views and clicks. that can mean many things, from pluging your vids to the forums, poking at the prospect of some doom, having clickbait titles or just a long standing history of being professional, informational and on point. and all is fair in the love for the game and war for the clicks.

3rd is the pov of the regular johns like me. fans of the game, fans of company, nerds and geeks, lurkers and hypers. people who take what they get at the face value. and here you can find people who might consider clickbaiting doom as a sort of unloyalty towards the fans or betrayal of the game or the company. some might just dislike the emotional rollercoaster of being hyped and then stressed and then hyped and then stressed. some consider themselves part of a community and feel very defensive when confronted with opinions from the 'other side'. some might see opinionated videos as pretentious, some might see critique as hating, but overall i think that generally most of as are cool and that the emptiest cans rattle the most. you say how this forum has a reputation, but the same can be said about any and all communities, including yours. reddit, youtube, dicord, facebook, twitter, forums... they all have their kind of flavour in their communities, reputations, rumours... and haters can be found in all of them. if you want to generalise, we are all terrible. including you.

me personally i dont consider life to be a race. if you are doing well i am happy for you. i know that creating content is tough job and i think your content is consistently pretty good quality. you know your stuff. no hate from me.
but i also think that some amount of the bad rep youtubers get is well earned. by the youtubers themselves. makign spicy content can get you burned. buur has no haters.

 

[Obsidian Ant]

So essentially what this all boils down to is that people gravitate towards youtube content that reflects their own personal perspective in an attempt to reinforce their own opinions. "Ded gamers" love a good sensationalist "Is Elite Dying?" vid, while "White Knights" enjoy tucking into some "Here's me playing Elite and enjoying it!" content.

While others, heaven forbid, just play the game and keep their heads down.

Personally, I don't think Elite is dying. I don't believe Frontier are going to be turning the Elite Dangerous servers off any time soon. I'm pretty sure I have never said anywhere that I personally believe "Elite is dying".

 

[HRDiagram]

So essentially what this all boils down to is that people gravitate towards youtube content that reflects their own personal perspective in an attempt to reinforce their own opinions. "Ded gamers" love a good sensationalist "Is Elite Dying?" vid, while "White Knights" enjoy tucking into some "Here's me playing Elite and enjoying it!" content.

While others, heaven forbid, just play the game and keep their heads down.

That's internet in a nutshell.

There are two main categories of people: those who love their confirmation bias, and those who are happy doing what they enjoy, not bothered by opinions (in either sense).

Internet is mostly made of the former.

Arguably, those who enjoy their confirmation bias could belong to the latter, so we're all one big family, after all.

 

[CMDR X]

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I'm also actively engaged with a lot of other communities, such as Microsoft Flight Simulator
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It was your MSFS videos that convinced me to finally buy it and just a quick Thank You for that OA, I'm enjoying it.
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And everyone here, remember to read all of Obsidian Ants posts in his voice! It is super immersive that way. Carry on..

 

[CMDR Karrde Sun]

Personally, I don't think Elite is dying. I don't believe Frontier are going to be turning the Elite Dangerous servers off any time soon. I'm pretty sure I have never said anywhere that I personally believe "Elite is dying".

I wasn't going to throw this out, but why not.

I think for alot of people, suggesting things like frontier needs to make a choice, when as far as it looks from the outside, they're just going to leave it, is the same as saying the game is doomed (because EVERYONE has connected frontiers choice to the doom option). For people who expect positivity, this is a likely a sore issue, and can should only be left unsaid.

Pending frontier picking up elite development. Okay enough forums i should go play.

 

[Helmut Grokenberger]

Regarding how Frontier support content creators, they aren't the only ones who do this. And it's very little to do with how many content creators they do or don't have left. I'm also actively engaged with a lot of other communities, such as Microsoft Flight Simulator, Everspace 2, Kerbal Space Program 2 and others. I've always found the developers and CMs of all these studios to be very welcoming and friendly. They are not only interested in videos that cover gameplay, but also like to see opinion pieces too. Everyone will certainly have a different take on that and some will think it shouldn't be a thing. All I'm trying to say here, is that whilst some people seem to believe that "critical" and "opinion" focused video harm the game, I have never yet spoken to a studio that agrees with that sentiment.

I wasn't trying to imply Frontier would treat their partners different. It's the way you have to treat your community partners who you have chosen as part of your public voice towards the player base.

Most of us "YouTubers" are available outside of YouTube to chat with. That can be on Discord, Reddit, Twitter and other places. I personally try to not live in a bubble, which is why I don't limit myself to one single platform.

Yeah I know. I said "from a cynical point of view". I know you're not actually "hiding", it's just the way it is. It's also the result of a "fractured" community structure - too many bubbles that hate each other on too many platforms you need to want to bother yourself. In a perfect world, the official forums would be the central hub to communitcate, I suppose. Maybe that's the old man in me, but meaningful discourse on discord, Reddit or Twitter is a mess - those places are like fifty people in a small room having a hundred conversations at the same time. Forums, being designed around a threaded structure, are made for this. You know... a forum . But that's a completely different topic.

Personally, I don't think Elite is dying. I don't believe Frontier are going to be turning the Elite Dangerous servers off any time soon.

Well that's good to hear .

I'm pretty sure I have never said anywhere that I personally believe "Elite is dying".

To be fair, you did ask some very suggestive questions in your video titles and thumbnails in the past (yes, I know, that's how the game is played with the YT algorithm). Even if, at the end of a video, that's enough to get you on the "god, not them again" list.

 

[Hellrider]

And also because they might vehementally disagree with them

The worst possible crime

 

[Wandering River]

Honestly all i really want are some permanent designated planetary AX stations in perpetual 'under attack' state. I have found that style of gameplay and combat incredibly fun and relaxing; probably the only reason i started playing open.
For me that would be a step forward in my gameplay honestly. I love exploring, i have 100k jumps, i have 50k systems and all, but it was a solo run. With AX combat i finally did something in open and people ware actually nice and helpful, mind blown. I made 3 or 4 scrap ships until i found actualt useful advice and a good build... Twas a good few months when i had daily active invasions.

 

[angusmadmac1]

I feel it is just a generic 'dig' at the folk on the forum that hold a different opinion to themselves - it is normal behaviour here and should be ignored, that normally works...

I will say that this seems to be double edged ?
Oh no not another OA is the cry and hurray another Burr video .
When criticism is posted it's not always "Elite is dead or dying " but sometimes out of genuine frustration .
Ok folk don't like OA fine, but folk don't have to post negativity on every post that mentions something they disagree with .
The written word can be quite abstract depending on who reads in what frame of mind .

 

[Jmanis]

So, i saw this, and i just happened to want to jump on and go closer to a matrix site... i thought given the thread title this was done content creator exclusive with FD... but fortunately it got me to jump on and check out the sites and realise there's been more going on than i realised with them...

On the sites; they are amazing, and the <redacted> being shot at you has amazing effects and visuals.

On YouTube stuff... it's not "Youtubers" that bug me, it's the following cohorts that elevate the opinion on a pedestal and, saying something to the contrary, results in "But X said Y so you're wrong!". Content creators are people just like any of us, and their views are common with others, just like anyone else's views. Having a visible metric to show how many people share that view does not invalidate an opinion that can't demonstrate that metric.

But that's hardly the author's fault.

 

[Rat Catcher]

I will say that this seems to be double edged ?

Always is... I always encourage folk to ignore my comments if they disagree with me.

Oh no not another OA is the cry and hurray another Burr video .

Not by me - I elect to watch that which I wish to see - I have a long list of youtube 'blocks', not only OA
If their content / presentation is not to my own preference, I tell youtube to stop showing me it. Mostly works, although a couple of times a week I have to say "No" to similar channels that have already been blocked, strange algorithm doesn't appear to be able to learn

The written word can be quite abstract depending on who reads in what frame of mind .

This comment should preclude every post made by everyone...

 

[angusmadmac1]

Always is... I always encourage folk to ignore my comments if they disagree with me.

Not by me - I elect to watch that which I wish to see - I have a long list of youtube 'blocks', not only OA
If their content / presentation is not to my own preference, I tell youtube to stop showing me it. Mostly works, although a couple of times a week I have to say "No" to similar channels that have already been blocked, strange algorithm doesn't appear to be able to learn

This comment should preclude every post made by everyone...

The post wasn't directed at yourself Mr @Rat Catcher , whilst we do have our disagreements , I look forward to your inputs .