Privateer’s Alliance Charity Event Targeted for Griefing

[Cosmos]

Did I miss anything out?

My comments arent targeted towards you..

Whats happening is that the game is being sullied by various people dressing themselves with good causes. We are here to play a game not make political statements or save the world.

If anyone is interested Palestinians are on the brink right now and need help and support:
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/02/warns-gaza-10-days-emergency-fuel-left-180207082830036.html

Here you go, there is an event in London Tuesday, 20th Feb.. Want to make a difference and learn a thing or two? https://www.facebook.com/events/154807428556153/

The Rohingya have suffered genocide and ethnic cleansing.. No charity event for them?

The assault on Yemen by the Saudi's has caused a humanitarian catastrophe. Do these people not need our assistance?

If anyone really wants to help then get involved but using this game to do so really isn't appropriate and nor is brow beating other people for playing a video game.

btw, there are 1.5 million people living in Gaza under a brutal occupation thats gone on for decades.

 

[sovapid]

Charity event occurs, UA bombing happens, publicity increased.

Mmmmh

Same is true of the Dove Enigma charity event. I would have never know about it if not for the UA bombing and the uproar over it.

I'm part of PA, but I'm pretty sure the notorious UA bomber does as he does, it is his MO.




Oh, and reading this thread makes me want to UA bomb our own stations. ( I kid, I kid. Seriously phil, I'm kidding )

 

[sovapid]

My comments arent targeted towards you..

Whats happening is that the game is being sullied by various people dressing themselves with good causes. We are here to play a game not make political statements or save the world.

If anyone is interested Palestinians are on the brink right now and need help and support:
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/02/warns-gaza-10-days-emergency-fuel-left-180207082830036.html

Here you go, there is an event in London Tuesday, 20th Feb.. Want to make a difference and learn a thing or two? https://www.facebook.com/events/154807428556153/

The Rohingya have suffered genocide and ethnic cleansing.. No charity event for them?

The assault on Yemen by the Saudi's has caused a humanitarian catastrophe. Do these people not need our assistance?

If anyone really wants to help then get involved but using this game to do so really isn't appropriate and nor is brow beating other people for playing a video game.

btw, there are 1.5 million people living in Gaza under a brutal occupation thats gone on for decades.

This must have made you so angry.

[video=youtube;WLUZH90dBek]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLUZH90dBek[/video]

 

[Cosmos]

This must have made you so angry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLUZH90dBek

What annoys me is people veiling themselves in 'good causes' but who are actually doing it to virtue signal and for self aggrandizement. Sharks with sheeps clothing are still sharks, and yes that includes the top tier of management of this game.

Perhaps it makes people feel better about themselves but it also allows a certain segment to brow beat anyone who doesn't conform.. After all, 'its for charity'..

Its base and I see through it..

Arent we meant to be playing a computer game here?

 

[sovapid]

What annoys me is people veiling themselves in 'good causes' but who are actually doing it to virtue signal and for self aggrandizement. Sharks with sheeps clothing are still sharks, and yes that includes the top tier of management of this game.

Perhaps it makes people feel better about themselves but it also allows a certain segment to brow beat anyone who doesn't conform.. After all, 'its for charity'..

Its base and I see through it..

I guess that is one way to look at it.

 

[Taimaru]

Whilst I don't understand why people would try and negatively affect a charity event (as I personally wouldn't), we all have to realise that people doing this are legitimately playing the game their way using in-game mechanics as the game allows it. We also have to realise that this will happen again and again in the future and be prepared for it.

The good news is that whilst ED has mechanics such as UA (or TS) bombing, ships with guns and collision damage to disrupt an event, there are also mechanics which allow one to counter-act these negative activities such as:

• Gathering meta-alloys in advance of the event to counter-act UA/TS bombing.
• Employ "security staff" or good combat capable players to protect the event participants (if playing in open).
• Play in a private group during the event to avoid being attacked.
• Ways of outfitting one's ship to be a "tank" and not a fragile space coffin.
• Flying below the speed limit at stations.

So if you are running or partaking in a charity event, the best thing is to be prepared by trying to recognise what people may do to deliberately upset the event, because it will happen, in advance and come up with counter-measures to protect the event and the people participating, just like with real-life events.

Also, if you really want to "win" against the people who deliberately try to upset an event, laugh it off and don't complain publicly. If nobody hears about the "trouble", or there is no salt, it becomes a non-event for the "troublemakers" (which they may not like) and the charity event is a success.

P.S. Good luck to the Privatee's Alliance in running the charity event.

 

[Cosmos]

Whilst I don't understand why people would try and negatively affect a charity event

Are we playing a video game or are we all here to turn it into a platform of 'good causes?' I bought into a computer game, I didnt realise in doing so I'd be forced to play a certain way based upon the ideology of those who would use this game to promote themselves via false aggrandisement..

This is boring now.. Really!

 

[Raumfahrer Spiff]

• Gathering meta-alloys in advance of the event to counter-act UA/TS bombing.
• Employ "security staff" or good combat capable players to protect the event participants (if playing in open).
• Play in a private group during the event to avoid being attacked.
• Ways of outfitting one's ship to be a "tank" and not a fragile space coffin.
• Flying below the speed limit at stations.

So much this.

My group exclusively farms and trades with players--massive quantities of engi commodities, including painite and brom--all in open. We don't do anything with those big, slow storage ships without having good SOPs and a security look-out firmly in place. We also do all of our events (like races and trade give-a-ways and such) in open, also using in-house security and "contracted" security wings from other groups.

You just gotta learn the rules, make some up of your own, expect trouble, work with what you got, and try to do better than the other guys.

 

[John Xenir]

Are we playing a video game or are we all here to turn it into a platform of 'good causes?' I bought into a computer game, I didnt realise in doing so I'd be forced to play a certain way based upon the ideology of those who would use this game to promote themselves via false aggrandisement..

This is boring now.. Really!

Are you one of those SOBs UA-bomging charity events? That would explain the wrong kind of outrage.

Next thing you know - you'll complain to your cell operator about their support for breast cancer campaign and you're not paying for breast cancer campaigns but a cellular service.
I swear, if idiots generated higher gravity than normal people, there would be a black hole instead of Solar system - courtesy of humanity.

 

[Stealthie]

Did I miss anything out?

(H) Acknowledge arsey behaviour for what it as and then crack on to undo it.

 

[Deareim]

Are you one of those SOBs UA-bomging charity events? That would explain the wrong kind of outrage.

Next thing you know - you'll complain to your cell operator about their support for breast cancer campaign and you're not paying for breast cancer campaigns but a cellular service.
I swear, if idiots generated higher gravity than normal people, there would be a black hole instead of Solar system - courtesy of humanity.

I am evil then as I don't give a damn about IG charity and who is dying or what....
Do it IRL if you want to do it and not trying to impose your charity and honeyed talks to others IN A GAME. That is what I do.

 

[John Xenir]

I am evil then as I don't give a damn about IG charity and who is dying or what....
Do it IRL if you want to do it and not trying to impose your charity and honeyed talks to others IN A GAME. That is what I do.

Cool, thank you for your opinion, please carry on - don't let the door hit you on your way out.
Bah-bye.

 

[GunnerBill]

OK, so let me summarise the responses so far in order to attempt to achieve a consensus across the entire community.

The options - radically different though many may be - are that:

(A) Frontier should impose a ban - to be rigorously policed - of all financial fund-raising using their product, to include most obviously charity fundraising.

(B) Frontier should create a new mode - 'CHARITY' - within which all forms of direct and indirect PvP are forbidden, including UA bombing but also any other kind of BGS attack and, obviously, Orcas, Clippers, not to mention (obviously again) Fer-de-Lances. Actually, hard points are banned. As well as collisions. Did I mention Cutters? Frontier to decide case-by-case which good causes are sufficiently good to qualify for Developer-guaranteed-immortality-plated-immortality. (Noting that if they approve one yet refuse another, someone will probably go to the press. Realistically in the UK at least they'll have to approve anything to do with pets.)

(C) Frontier should state publicly that they will only permit matters to continue as now ... organically ... if all charity fundraisers understand and agree that anything goes in ED. One last chance ... any more complaints from charity fundraisers and option (A) applies.

(D) Frontier should do as they always should have done. Now is the time to make all systems, players, stations and ships immune to all forms of hostility in all circumstances. The charities will be saved, but only as part of a wider salvation. Heaven awaits!

(E) Perma-ban all PvP griefers.

(F) Perma-ban all UA bombers, zerg swarmers, goons, BGS attackers, authority-ship-killers, Powerplay 5th columnists, thread spammers, mod-pesterers and reddit brigaders.

(G) Ban everyone and everything except me, my Cobra III and DBOBE. (At last, we might meet...!)

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Did I miss anything out?

I'm A through C, mainly C*.

Are we playing a video game or are we all here to turn it into a platform of 'good causes?' I bought into a computer game, I didnt realise in doing so I'd be forced to play a certain way based upon the ideology of those who would use this game to promote themselves via false aggrandisement..

This is boring now.. Really!

Agreed 100%. This is a game. I bought it to play with no expectation that it was going to be fundraising vehicle complete with all the high minded moralists that like to tag along with that kind of thing.

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*C although it's not so much the fundraisers themselves complaining more the hysterical crowd of virtue signallers that swarm behind them.

Prop's to those making the effort to support good causes by whatever means, but ED remains a game, please have respect for those that purchased it as such and wish to use it for the purpose to which it was designed.

 

[GunnerBill]

Here's an idea.

In-store charity donation button. Move to Truesilver option "C".

Let's just play ED, if you want to make a donation go to the store. I'll flesh out my idea in a suggestion shortly.

Suggestion: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...onation-Button-In-Store?p=6419341#post6419341

 

[RexKraemer]

Are you one of those SOBs UA-bomging charity events? That would explain the wrong kind of outrage.

Next thing you know - you'll complain to your cell operator about their support for breast cancer campaign and you're not paying for breast cancer campaigns but a cellular service.
I swear, if idiots generated higher gravity than normal people, there would be a black hole instead of Solar system - courtesy of humanity.

Please think (or read) before you write.

It is not against charities here. Charities are all good and welcome, so is the good press which comes from it.

What some (including me) are saying is, that doing good charities is not a higher moral position to judge others who also just play the game. Even if it is directly and with purpose opposed to the actions in the charity as long as it is happening in the game and with legitimate game actions.

And especially for me it is disturbing that I have to feel bad when I just play the game without thinking of any on going charity event. When I read about people UA bombing an event and how some of us totally exaggerate in their insults and speculations about the mental state of such people, I am afraid to play a game where we have a dictatorship of the good and what those high judges are judging about me.

If you do charities, if you like charities, if you appreciate positive events in game, then just stay positive in game and here on the forum. Everything else just shows your vanity and the real purpose of your doing for good.

 

[GunnerBill]

Please think (or read) before you write.

It is not against charities here. Charities are all good and welcome, so is the good press which comes from it.

What some (including me) are saying is, that doing good charities is not a higher moral position to judge others who also just play the game. Even if it is directly and with purpose opposed to the actions in the charity as long as it is happening in the game and with legitimate game actions.

And especially for me it is disturbing that I have to feel bad when I just play the game without thinking of any on going charity event. When I read about people UA bombing an event and how some of us totally exaggerate in there insults and speculations about the mental state of such people, I am afraid to play a game where we have a dictatorship of the good and what those high judges are judging about me.

If you do charities, if you like charities, if you appreciate positive events in game, then just stay positive in game and here on the forum. Everything else just shows your vanity and the real purpose of your doing for good.

+1

@John Xenir, your post was dreadful

 

[jasonbirder]

What some (including me) are saying is, that doing good charities is not a higher moral position to judge others who also just play the game.

Are you GENUINELY suggesting that people who do GOOD (raise money for worthy Charities) AREN'T in a superior moral position to those who try to disrupt that activity for their own childish amusement?

 

[Ian Doncaster]

Are you GENUINELY suggesting that people who do GOOD (raise money for worthy Charities) AREN'T in a superior moral position to those who try to disrupt that activity for their own childish amusement?

So if the UA bombers say "we'll donate $X to <name of worthy charity> for every station affected on <date>" I take it you'll be out there with your corrosion resistant racks straightaway, using your free time in supercruise to write complaints about all those griefers delivering meta alloys and getting in the way of a charity event?

 

[RexKraemer]

Are you GENUINELY suggesting that people who do GOOD (raise money for worthy Charities) AREN'T in a superior moral position to those who try to disrupt that activity for their own childish amusement?

What I say is that NOBODY is in a superior moral position to any other IN A VIDEO GAME!

It is not on you to judge about anybodies "own childish amusement" IN A VIDEO GAME!

Thats what i GENUINELY suggest, yes.

So where are your real concerns about my GENUINELY suggestions? What are you trying to transport with your questions?

This is already the dictatorship of the good! Time to find another game to relax.

 

[jasonbirder]

What I say is that NOBODY is in a superior moral position to any other IN A VIDEO GAME!

That seems to me like a shorthand for saying..."I like to do things other people disapprove of...and don't want to be criticized for it" Any environment in which people interact with each other comes with moral judgements...Or are you suggesting that a Griefer who blows up a First Time Sidewinder leaving its starter station in his G5 Engineered FDL is exactly the same as a Fuel Rat dragging himself 20,000LYs to rescue a stranded explorer? Etc etc...
There is no Superior Moral Position in a Single Player Video Game...but anything that involves people comes witha moral dimesnion...thats a direct function of choice, action, effect...