Problem with "Throttle Axis Range" setting - bug or need a new third option?!

[Protonus]

I'm using my Ace Edge HOTAS flight stick setup (from Ace Combat 6 for the Xbox 360) on my Xbox 1, for Elite: Dangerous, by way of a CronusMAX, and by far and large it works fantastic. I do plan to make a tutorial on this soon and get into details, but I'll save that for another post. My question is a bit more general than that.

As I needed to use an Analog Input on the Xbox controller for throttle axis, to use my analog throttle control, in the game (Eliteangerous), I have swapped my triggers and bumper button assignment. So now my Throttle Up is Right trigger, and my Throttle Down is Left trigger. I have my actual dedicated analog throttle control on my flight stick mapped to Right Trigger on the controller, and I have the "left trigger" analog button on the throttle, mapped to Left Trigger on the controller.

With the setting "Throttle Axis Range" in the game set to "Full Range" - the throttle on the flight stick works PERFECT! At the bottom of it's travel I'm at 0 % throttle, and at the end of it's travel I'm at 100% forward throttle. Perfect! Trouble is, that leaves me with no way to go in reverse! And with the Throttle Axis Range set to "Full Range" the "Forward Only Throttle Reverse" key / setting is IGNORED in game.

So, I changed the throttle axis range to "Forward Only". That seems like what I should be using anyways! Now I can map the the Left Trigger to "Forward Only Throttle Reverse" function with a button mode of Hold in the game. This makes reverse work perfect! I hold the left trigger button and I go in reverse for as long as I hold it. My problem is, for some reason, setting the throttle axis range to "Forward Only" CHANGES how the Right trigger / forward throttle works! Now I'm always at 50% throttle, and that no longer works right! And my throttle control doesn't do anything until it's past 50%, then it lets me go up to 100%. But I can never go BELOW 50%. This seems like the reverse of what you'd expect to happen!

I can't figure out why it's doing this. Or how to fix it. It seems like it's a bug with the Forward Only setting. At the very least, it seems like I need a third setting for the Throttle Axis Range. One that WORKS like "Full Range" but that DOESN'T disable the "Forward Only Throttle Reverse" button, like it does now. It's either one way or the other.

For now, I employed a bad work around as you'll see in my screenshot below. I have the Throttle Axis Range set to Full Range so my throttle control works as expected. Then I mapped the Left Trigger to the "Set Speed to -25" setting. This at least lets my throttle work for forward movement as expected. And it lets me at least go -25 in reverse whenever I press the left trigger button. But I have no gradual control of reverse, or anything slower or faster than -25%. :-/

Thank in advance for any help with this!

 

[Armholeeio]

I'm using my Ace Edge HOTAS flight stick setup (from Ace Combat 6 for the Xbox 360) on my Xbox 1, for Elite: Dangerous, by way of a CronusMAX, and by far and large it works fantastic. I do plan to make a tutorial on this soon and get into details, but I'll save that for another post. My question is a bit more general than that.

As I needed to use an Analog Input on the Xbox controller for throttle axis, to use my analog throttle control, in the game (Eliteangerous), I have swapped my triggers and bumper button assignment. So now my Throttle Up is Right trigger, and my Throttle Down is Left trigger. I have my actual dedicated analog throttle control on my flight stick mapped to Right Trigger on the controller, and I have the "left trigger" analog button on the throttle, mapped to Left Trigger on the controller.

With the setting "Throttle Axis Range" in the game set to "Full Range" - the throttle on the flight stick works PERFECT! At the bottom of it's travel I'm at 0 % throttle, and at the end of it's travel I'm at 100% forward throttle. Perfect! Trouble is, that leaves me with no way to go in reverse! And with the Throttle Axis Range set to "Full Range" the "Forward Only Throttle Reverse" key / setting is IGNORED in game.

So, I changed the throttle axis range to "Forward Only". That seems like what I should be using anyways! Now I can map the the Left Trigger to "Forward Only Throttle Reverse" function with a button mode of Hold in the game. This makes reverse work perfect! I hold the left trigger button and I go in reverse for as long as I hold it. My problem is, for some reason, setting the throttle axis range to "Forward Only" CHANGES how the Right trigger / forward throttle works! Now I'm always at 50% throttle, and that no longer works right! And my throttle control doesn't do anything until it's past 50%, then it lets me go up to 100%. But I can never go BELOW 50%. This seems like the reverse of what you'd expect to happen!

I can't figure out why it's doing this. Or how to fix it. It seems like it's a bug with the Forward Only setting. At the very least, it seems like I need a third setting for the Throttle Axis Range. One that WORKS like "Full Range" but that DOESN'T disable the "Forward Only Throttle Reverse" button, like it does now. It's either one way or the other.

For now, I employed a bad work around as you'll see in my screenshot below. I have the Throttle Axis Range set to Full Range so my throttle control works as expected. Then I mapped the Left Trigger to the "Set Speed to -25" setting. This at least lets my throttle work for forward movement as expected. And it lets me at least go -25 in reverse whenever I press the left trigger button. But I have no gradual control of reverse, or anything slower or faster than -25%. :-/

Thank in advance for any help with this!

http://i.imgur.com/bBMkc8V.jpg

wrong part of the forum as we have no hotas support on the Xbox, I would recommend asking the mods to move your post to a appropriately sited forum bit type place

 

[DustyArne]

Not sure if i understand correctly.


You use the that HOTAS for the x360 on your X1? Im kinda supprised that works at all.

 

[Armholeeio]

Not sure if i understand correctly.


You use the that HOTAS for the x360 on your X1? Im kinda supprised that works at all.

is there a magical support section on the forum as its smells like witchcraft to me dusty

 

[BeDoomed]

He seems to be using CronusMAX, a device that allows you, via use of your PC, to map Joystick axis and buttons to those on Xbox One controller, you can then use your HOTAS, connected to console via a PC.

I have been looking at those devices for a while now, since I have X52 Pro, sat gathering dust. Might have to invest and see if I can make it work.


OP, were you able to map a key-combination to a button on HOTAS? Eg. mapping A+Down on DPad, to a single key on HOTAS

 

[Protonus]

wrong part of the forum as we have no hotas support on the Xbox, I would recommend asking the mods to move your post to a appropriately sited forum bit type place

Ignore the fact that I'm using a HOTAS, it's not really relevant. I mentioned it to explain WHY I'm trying to do what I'm doing - but the problem I'm noting happens even if you use a normal Xbox controller. The issue is with how these settings behave in the game. HOTAS or not.

You use the that HOTAS for the x360 on your X1? Im kinda supprised that works at all.

Yes, I do, and it works fantastic, but you have to use a CronusMAX to do so, as BeDoomed mentions. I don't really want to get off topic here, as my HOTAS isn't really what's relevant here (my issue again, is how the "Throttle Axis Range setting behaves in the game), and I plan to make a tutorial on all of this for you folks. But in short, it works like this: the CronusMAX hooks up to the XB1's USB port. Plugged into the CronusMAX's own USB port is a normal XB1 controller (this satisfies the XB1's requirement for signed devices, and allows the CronusMAX to pass it's authorization check as if it's a wired controller plugged in). Plugged into the CronusMAX's mini-USB port is a cable that goes to my HTPC (home theatre PC). And my Ace Edge HOTAS then plugs in via USB to my HTPC. The HTPC sees the HOTAS as a valid game controller for Windows. The CronusPro software on the HTPC takes the input from the HOTAS and via a plugin for the CronusPro called "X-Aim" - I then map each button on a virtual Xbox controller, to a physical button that I capture (or select from a list) on the HOTAS. So when I press a button on the HOTAS - the PC sends that command to the CronusMAX which the Xbox interprets as a press on a controller. I know it sounds complicated, but it really isn't, and once you have it setup, it just works. There's no lag, no delay, everything just works 100%. In theory you can then use ANY PC compatible controller you want on the xbox - from a keyboard/mouse, to a racing wheel, to any flight stick setup you wanted. I just happen to be using my Ace Ege for the 360 as it's the nicest HOTAS I own. But any typical Saitek or Thrustmaster PC setup should work too.

I have been looking at those devices for a while now, since I have X52 Pro, sat gathering dust. Might have to invest and see if I can make it work.
OP, were you able to map a key-combination to a button on HOTAS? Eg. mapping A+Down on DPad, to a single key on HOTAS

For $60 for the CronusMAX (got mine on Amazon), you can't go wrong, but you will need a PC near your Xbox for this to work. But yeah your X52 Pro should work a treat!

As far as mapping key combinations, I haven't tried that yet. For now, I'm actually using it just as you would with a controller - for simplicity and the fact that I'm still learning the game. For instance, I press my "A button" (which I have mapped as the large, thumb button on my throttle control), and then I press a direction on one of my two D-pads (there is a poor one on the throttle and a great one on the flight stick), and this lets me select targets etc, just like you do with the XB1 controller. It just works, and it works great.

I'm just learning the CronusPro software and what the X-AIM plugin is capable of. But in theory, AFAIK, it should be able to work. Because IN GAME - Frontier was kind enough to give us extremely customizeable controls. And in CronusPro, you should be able to assign multiple keystrokes, to a single mapped key. However, you are limited to the buttons that are physically ON the Xbox 1 controller AFAIK.

 

[JetsonRING]

HOTAS reverse

I have a Saitek X-56. I found that setting the throttle to "forward-only", then mapping my keyboard's TAB button to toggle reverse throttle worked for me.

 

[Protonus]

I have a Saitek X-56. I found that setting the throttle to "forward-only", then mapping my keyboard's TAB button to toggle reverse throttle worked for me.

Interesting. So basically when you hit Tab, your normal throttle control now becomes a reverse control? What do you have the "Button Mode" Set to for the throttle reverse?

You're doing this with the Xbox One? Are you using a CronusMAX?

 

[JetsonRING]

Interesting. So basically when you hit Tab, your normal throttle control now becomes a reverse control? What do you have the "Button Mode" Set to for the throttle reverse?

You're doing this with the Xbox One? Are you using a CronusMAX?

I am using a Saitek (Mad Catz) X-56 Rhino HOTAS so, PC. I believe the button mode is set to "toggle". Hit the "TAB" key and the car goes into reverse! Handy for when the docking computer is trying to turn me into a lawn-dart!

 

[Kyennamo]

I'm using my Ace Edge HOTAS flight stick setup (from Ace Combat 6 for the Xbox 360) on my Xbox 1, for Elite: Dangerous, by way of a CronusMAX,

I have the ace edge as well. I considered all this a little over a year ago. I never did buy the chronos though because i actually foresaw the throttle mapping problems and knew there was no solution at the time.

Back then however, there weren't the control options we have now. After reading your post and considering what has changed since my original analysis i may have a solution for you. Hotkeys

Use your throttle in full range. The way you said it works perfect. Then, Use hotkeys for your reverse throttle needs. You may need to experiment with the configuration but i have a suggestion.

For the reverse hotkey, try (on the throttle stick) the thumb button labeled LB plus the right portion of the wide rocker button your middle and ring fingers sit over. OR LB plus the little unlabeled button your index finger sits on. Whichever is easier for you to configure with the cronos. You could actually set them up both ways and have 1 set to minus 50 throttle and the other minus 100. Its not a perfect throttle slider, but it gives you options

Maybe this idea will help. Maybe it wont. Let me know though. Im totally interested

Edit: you could also just hotkey the forward throttle with any of those other buttons i mentioned. That way (since forward is already being "pressed") reverse is a single button press

 

[Protonus]

Hey guys - this "bug" is gonna drive me bonkers, I've continued to work on it, and can't find a true resolution. What's the best way to submit a bug report to Frontier? I have tested this, and, you can reproduce this issue with just an xbox controller. Forget everything I said about HOTAS, or CronusMax, this issue exists on a stock controller!

To see this even on a stock controller, set your "Throttle Axis" to right trigger (or left, if you're British? lol). Then set the "Throttle Axis Range" to Full Range. In game, when you squeeze the trigger you'll go from 0%, to 100% Throttle at full squeeze. This is the desired functionality, except, you can't map a "Forward Only Throttle Reverse" key with this setting.

Now change your "Throttle Axis" range to Forward Only. Now in game, the first 0-50% of trigger squeeze is ignored. You're always at 50% throttle minimum! So you're always moving. The next 50%-100% of trigger squeeze, IS used, but you can't go below 50%. On the flip side, you can map a "Forward Only Throttle Reverse", but the change in trigger range makes this unusable for me.

This doesn't make much sense to me, and, if anything, works the opposite of what I'd expect, so I'm pretty sure it's a bug. I *think* what's happening, is when set to "Forward Only" - it's changing the expected input range from 0-100 (what a trigger does, and Full Range is expecting), to -100 - 0 - 100, which is what a thumbstick does, and a trigger cannot (triggers don't go below 0). Except I can't think of any reason it SHOULD do that. It makes no sense for an xbox controller. Perhaps it's carryover from the PC Version?

At any rate, this bug then prevents the use of my HOTAS throttle as discussed, but in reality, it has nothing to do with the HOTAS.

For the reverse hotkey, try (on the throttle stick) the thumb button labeled LB plus the right portion of the wide rocker button your middle and ring fingers sit over. OR LB plus the little unlabeled button your index finger sits on. Whichever is easier for you to configure with the cronos. You could actually set them up both ways and have 1 set to minus 50 throttle and the other minus 100. Its not a perfect throttle slider, but it gives you options

This is basically what I'm doing now per above. I have one of the buttons mapped to -25% throttle (25% reverse), so I can go in reverse when using "Full Range" setting. So far from ideal though :-/ And because the "rudder controls" aren't really usable for anything in this game (that's a whole different, very complicated issue because of the design of the Ace Edge and how it reports to Cronus Max, that I'd be happy to discuss separately but is very off topic here), buttons are already at a premium. There simply aren't any other buttons I can map beyond the one.