Proposal for smaller update sooner.

hammer326

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Hello!

So In lieu of 2.1's delay, Frontier did say that some kind of holdover update would come to do just that. Far as I'm concerned, it hasn't yet. The last 2 updates have fixated on VR and repaired a handful of issues only one of which I'd ever even heard about. That being said, would you all like to see some small partition of 2.1 deploy early if FD could be convinced it was feasible? I don't think it should be immediately written off. Perhaps..whatever's most refined at present? It would of course be frontier's call entirely, but some possibilities include a few of the new weapons, the expanded mission system, or the revised AI. I just think that it's not outside the realm of possibility to have something sooner rather than later if its release's effect on development would be minimal to nonexistent.


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LKx

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That would be hell for devs.

It's not reasonable to extrapolate any part of 2.1 at this point without hell breaking loose, and any serious part would need a beta.
 
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hammer326

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sleutelbos said:
No, I dont want FD to waste time to placate those with the patience of a hungry kitten.
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And I trust that you of course magically exclude reference to those who simply highlight the fact that no other update's taken this long and perhaps that doesn't have to be the case...
 

Ian Phillips

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....to have something sooner rather than later if its release's effect on development would be minimal to nonexistent....
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Oh - you mean like the updates they have already released?
 

hammer326

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Ian Phillips said:
Oh - you mean like the updates they have already released?
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If that's supposed to mean in some roundabout way that I should just be arbitrarily content with the game in its current state until June, existing content and glaring issues alike, it doesn't at all read the way you want it to.

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Should've known a topic like this would've driven people like this out of the forum's woodwork faster than smoke does ants. Whatever. Thanks to the whole one of you at the time of this posting who maintain some definition of courtesy and levelheadedness in disagreeing. As for the rest...well, I won't say I'm not entertained.

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LKx said:
That would be hell for devs.

It's not reasonable to extrapolate any part of 2.1 at this point without hell breaking loose, and any serious part would need a beta.
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I don't at all believe we can know that until a dev comes and weighs in directly, but I've been wrong before and invite you to share any sources proving that.
 

shadragon

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sleutelbos said:
No, I dont want FD to waste time to placate those with the patience of a hungry kitten.
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Or to put it another way to the OP, a lack of patience on your part is not a reason for reactionary changes. Apart from the fact they ARE releasing patches fairly regularly.

Full list of released patches here.
 

hammer326

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shadragon said:
Or to put it another way to the OP, a lack of patience on your part is not a reason for reactionary changes. Apart from the fact they ARE releasing patches fairly regularly.

Full list of released patches here.
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Well as unbelievable as it may seem I agree. Hence my statement from the get-go that this thread assumed they deemend it feasible, and more importantly meant to focus on these fabled updates that FD said would drop before 2.1 due to its delay. Which brings me to the next point about that link you share of the change log. Seems comprehensive...until you look at what dropped since 2.1's postponement. I can't remember an exact date, but the press seemed to have gotten word of said delay around March 2nd. That leaves two updates to have come out since: .07, which was nigh-exclusively relevant to VR users, and .08 which fixed little else. Literally two minor issues in-game, in fact.

Just sayin...if we were truly to get something in the meantime, I'm thus far quite underwhelmed, and 2.1's actual beta is not far off. I don't have access to it so don't try and tell me I contradicted myself and can "just play the beta soon!"; my point is that I doubt any theoretical update would drop publicly during it.
 

Sugarat

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hammer326 said:
Should've known a topic like this would've driven people like this out of the forum's woodwork faster than smoke does ants.
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Nothing empties the woodwork quicker than the promise of popcorn.. :)

.. and back on topic, 2.1 is just one delayed update tbf, I can wait.
 

askavir

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If FD is taking this time, and wants to release everything as a single patch, I'm sure they have good reasons for it.

Pretty sure they aren't holding out just to annoy their customers.
 

Martian Successor

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sleutelbos said:
No, I dont want FD to waste time to placate those with the patience of a hungry kitten.
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LKx said:
That would be hell for devs.

It's not reasonable to extrapolate any part of 2.1 at this point without hell breaking loose, and any serious part would need a beta.
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I agree with both points of view. It would be hell for both the devs and to us, the players, to have to compartmentalise every single proposed update in order to release updates quicker but piece by piece.

Hell for the devs: because the pressure would be on to release small pieces of content sooner no matter how complete they are. So at some point to make another narrow deadline they'd have to compromise or even cannibalise certain parts of a whole update like the Engineers and release it in shallow pieces. For example: first they give us 5 engineers and a galaxy map bookmarking system. A couple months later they gives us 5 more engineers, the missions update and in ship clocks. Another couple months and we get 5 more engineers added and then people start asking why nothing else? Why not give us 6 engineers or more? I wouldn't want to see that. I've seen that type of update method in other games and it gets real ugly, real fast. I'll take quality over quantity of updates every day of the week.

Hell for us: because we'd get singular pieces of a jigsaw puzzle, essentially drip feeding us tiny bits of shallow content (shallow because its a piece that's been torn out of a bigger picture to save time, it is incomplete by its very nature) ala something like Destiny's first year of 'expansions'. And these pieces would have an inordinately high amount of bugs due to not enough time in quality testing before release in order to get them out there sooner. For example, what if Horizons was chopped up so we could get smaller updates sooner? First they'd let us land on a handful of small moons but no SRV. Then they'd release the SRV as another update a month later and add more landable planets, etc, etc. It doesn't sound very appealing now does it?
 

Banana's_Are_Good_For_You

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hammer326 said:
Well as unbelievable as it may seem I agree. Hence my statement from the get-go that this thread assumed they deemend it feasible, and more importantly meant to focus on these fabled updates that FD said would drop before 2.1 due to its delay. Which brings me to the next point about that link you share of the change log. Seems comprehensive...until you look at what dropped since 2.1's postponement. I can't remember an exact date, but the press seemed to have gotten word of said delay around March 2nd. That leaves two updates to have come out since: .07, which was nigh-exclusively relevant to VR users, and .08 which fixed little else. Literally two minor issues in-game, in fact.


Just sayin...if we were truly to get something in the meantime, I'm thus far quite underwhelmed, and 2.1's actual beta is not far off. I don't have access to it so don't try and tell me I contradicted myself and can "just play the beta soon!"; my point is that I doubt any theoretical update would drop publicly during it.
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Most of the bigger stuff comes through Client patches and are generally big. These are usually tied to a "Beta" so if you don't have the Beta access you're not likely to see any major changes until the Beta finishes.
At least that's how it seems to have worked recently.

It was a lot different when I started but it is what it is and pretty much the same as most other games.
 
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Bostlabs

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That would be painful.
Figure out what to parcel out
Run through QA test to make sure it alone does not depend on other parts of the whole update.
Run through Beta
Bug fix
Beta
Deploy.

Unless you want to delay the update even further...

Oh, and all of that doesn't even take into account what FD's internal process is to determine everything.
(Translation: Meetings, proposals, processes and approvals)
 
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Alex Brentnall

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Wait, I thought the update was around 2 weeks way from now (no exact dates obv but May time was the date I had stuck in my head), 4 weeks max or thereabouts?
Did I miss a memo or something?

This thread may have made sense about 2 months ago at the point it was actually delayed but at this stage it's like your train has been broken down for 30 minutes and you are now asking for a replacement bus service 15 minutes before the train is due to be fixed.
Continuing the analogy, that bus service will still take time to organise, won't be as good as the train and will mean the train repair takes longer still.

See above for the more technical version but were nearly there amirite?
 
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xondk

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hammer326 said:
Hello!

So In lieu of 2.1's delay, Frontier did say that some kind of holdover update would come to do just that. Far as I'm concerned, it hasn't yet. The last 2 updates have fixated on VR and repaired a handful of issues only one of which I'd ever even heard about. That being said, would you all like to see some small partition of 2.1 deploy early if FD could be convinced it was feasible? I don't think it should be immediately written off. Perhaps..whatever's most refined at present? It would of course be frontier's call entirely, but some possibilities include a few of the new weapons, the expanded mission system, or the revised AI. I just think that it's not outside the realm of possibility to have something sooner rather than later if its release's effect on development would be minimal to nonexistent.


Discuss.
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2.0.08..

So yeah, there have been patches? you are entirely brushing away the possibility that those things you want fixed, are not simple fixes, so yeah....be patient.
 
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