Nah it is fine for PVP. Once you get used to it there is no real disadvantage. It also depends on the mouse quality of course, I have a rather nice one though. The joysticks do feel nicer, and will probably be more natural for starting out. However, controllers are awful! I hated trying to use one! I was far better with a mouse than a controller.
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Nah it is fine for PVP. Once you get used to it there is no real disadvantage. It also depends on the mouse quality of course, I have a rather nice one though. The joysticks do feel nicer, and will probably be more natural for starting out. However, controllers are awful! I hated trying to use one! I was far better with a mouse than a controller.
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Welcome aboard, grammatonfeather!
Don't worry about steam/metacritic users reviews. The problem, with internet, is that every person could say everything, instead of the better one: Silence.
Games reviews have always the same problems.
One guy review a game with hundreds of possible gameplay, after half hour...
Another guy review the same game after he spent really hundreds of hours in the game, but he don't like it...
Coherence, it's not for all.
And the same situation is found on the forums. On steam forums, for sure, it's ordinary.
Don't worry about steam/metacritic users reviews. The problem, with internet, is that every person could say everything, instead of the better one: Silence.
Games reviews have always the same problems.
One guy review a game with hundreds of possible gameplay, after half hour...
Another guy review the same game after he spent really hundreds of hours in the game, but he don't like it...
Coherence, it's not for all.
And the same situation is found on the forums. On steam forums, for sure, it's ordinary.
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But deluded? No. My experience and opinion aren't deluded; it is what it is.
With that said, there is some elitism - but that's standard throughout the gaming community and it affects anyone. Elitism is a carry over from real life; it's human nature to want to excel past others and then place oneself above others. Kings, Princes, the rich and influential..notice how society calls them the "elite"?
2. I actually like the smell of my own farts, so I'll continue to sniff them abundantly, but thanks for the concern.
Doesn't change my opinion: Steam users, for the most part, behave with immaturity - regardless of their age.
Honestly, my experience with a Steam sold game is usually a 3:1 ratio - for every 3 immature players I encounter, there's 1 mature.
My original post was pointing to my experience with the Steam community. Please, do not make the mistake of thinking I am arrogant, or self-important simply because my opinion, born from my own experiences, is what it is. I have, for the most part, had a horrible experience of Steam and whilst I support FD having to grow their user-base to increase their revenue stream, I don't have to like that they went (has to go?) to Steam to do it.
Is it required? Of course, not. I never said it was; nor was it implied.
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When, for example in WoW, you're in a dungeon and instead of a player helping someone who is obviously new, you find one (or more) player will actually mock and insult that new player and do a vote to kick; that's the immaturity I'm talking about.
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What I meant was this when the majority of the community is emotionally mature enough to not behave like a wild, sugar-filled 5 year old then people like the aforementioned player are not mature enough for ED.
I don't mind playing with younger people; one of my best playtimes in WoW was with a 15 year old kid from Brighton, we tank/healed for hours (other players came and went) but do you know why we could? Because he was mature. He knew the game very well and was patient and helpful. We got along. As long as their attitudes are mature, it's all good. Nothing would drive me away faster than a bunch of "lel noob" comm chats or similar behaviour - and from what I've seen of the Steam community over the years, it's what I automatically expect to happen eventually.
I'm pessimist when it comes to the Steam community.
Pompous wasn't the intent, of course. I was expressing my opinion through my own experience.
But deluded? No. My experience and opinion aren't deluded; it is what it is.
I'm well aware that it makes financial sense; I wasn't talking about that.
In my experience, their attitude and behaviour is far from that of an adult.
Are you a psychologist? If so, please provide evidence of your qualifications - otherwise I'd appreciate it you stopped making assumptions towards my motivations, you don't know me and as such, this is simply a baseless accusation; likely in an attempt to disregard my opinion.
My experience is completely different.
What you see as elitism, is likely just pride. Elite is a classic, it's the base inspiration of some of the most well known games currently on the market. It's a game that revolutionised part of the gaming industry. People are allowed to feel pride about that.
With that said, there is some elitism - but that's standard throughout the gaming community and it affects anyone. Elitism is a carry over from real life; it's human nature to want to excel past others and then place oneself above others. Kings, Princes, the rich and influential..notice how society calls them the "elite"?
1. I was expressing an opinion of my experiences, that doesn't mean I'm arrogant.
2. I actually like the smell of my own farts, so I'll continue to sniff them abundantly, but thanks for the concern.
I never claimed to be... not that you would know either way.
Whilst putting a game on Steam makes financial sense (despite the 30% cut Steam take), my experience is such that I consider it a mistake due to the type of players Steam tends to attract.
That's awesome, really.
Doesn't change my opinion: Steam users, for the most part, behave with immaturity - regardless of their age.
Honestly, my experience with a Steam sold game is usually a 3:1 ratio - for every 3 immature players I encounter, there's 1 mature.
My original post was pointing to my experience with the Steam community. Please, do not make the mistake of thinking I am arrogant, or self-important simply because my opinion, born from my own experiences, is what it is. I have, for the most part, had a horrible experience of Steam and whilst I support FD having to grow their user-base to increase their revenue stream, I don't have to like that they went (has to go?) to Steam to do it.
Is it required? Of course, not. I never said it was; nor was it implied.
-=-=-=-=-Edit-=-=-=-=-
This entire section was missing.
When, for example in WoW, you're in a dungeon and instead of a player helping someone who is obviously new, you find one (or more) player will actually mock and insult that new player and do a vote to kick; that's the immaturity I'm talking about.
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What I meant was this when the majority of the community is emotionally mature enough to not behave like a wild, sugar-filled 5 year old then people like the aforementioned player are not mature enough for ED.
I don't mind playing with younger people; one of my best playtimes in WoW was with a 15 year old kid from Brighton, we tank/healed for hours (other players came and went) but do you know why we could? Because he was mature. He knew the game very well and was patient and helpful. We got along. As long as their attitudes are mature, it's all good. Nothing would drive me away faster than a bunch of "lel noob" comm chats or similar behaviour - and from what I've seen of the Steam community over the years, it's what I automatically expect to happen eventually.
I'm pessimist when it comes to the Steam community.
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Here I feel a wind of elitism by you old fellahs that begins to smell bad...
Just remember that you are not better than guys that don't like the game. And buying a game expecting it to be something else can occur.
I was very disappointed with the game at first sight but I can recognize it's becoming better and better... Do I like it? Not yet but it's on a good way, specially with the last updates. I do have strong hopes for this to be very great.
Was I vocal (on the forums) yes! Being vocal usually means that you care about the game and its future so I was kinda very vocal and not supporting all the choices made...
I also want to point out that even old guys here that likes the game can be as much immature as 15 years old boys. Neglecting everything bad about the game and proning their atari years to sound wise and supreme.
Maturity is not an affair of age. A lot of young people will come the most manners man you will maybe ever meet.
Remember guys, modesty is a mark of wisdom. And bad comments are not all wrong, some are even really well argued.
All this to say welcome and I really do hope that you enjoy the game! Have fun!
Just remember that you are not better than guys that don't like the game. And buying a game expecting it to be something else can occur.
I was very disappointed with the game at first sight but I can recognize it's becoming better and better... Do I like it? Not yet but it's on a good way, specially with the last updates. I do have strong hopes for this to be very great.
Was I vocal (on the forums) yes! Being vocal usually means that you care about the game and its future so I was kinda very vocal and not supporting all the choices made...
I also want to point out that even old guys here that likes the game can be as much immature as 15 years old boys. Neglecting everything bad about the game and proning their atari years to sound wise and supreme.
Maturity is not an affair of age. A lot of young people will come the most manners man you will maybe ever meet.
Remember guys, modesty is a mark of wisdom. And bad comments are not all wrong, some are even really well argued.
All this to say welcome and I really do hope that you enjoy the game! Have fun!
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Yes, I recall these forums being stellar examples of piety, cooperation and enlightenment before the Stream crowd arrived. They dragged these hallowed pages down to the level where it is today. *coff*
Of all the gaming forums I have accounts on, all of them have anti-social members.
Nice to have you join us, OP.
I'd contend that the mouse and keyboard controls are far from terrible though, they're superb.
It's the players who can't use them that are terrible. Sorry, but you have no excuse, plebs on steam.
And putting ED on Steam was not a mistake, you're talking about the same platform that put Arma and Train Simulator on the map. Steam players love sim games, the problem is that there hasn't been a decent space sim in so long people don't know what to expect. I don't care, let them buy it and burn up 2 hours trying to learn the game they didn't research and get stuck with it. That's their fault for not doing their research.
Yes, they buy without knowing what they're buying so I guess they have plenty of money but then again they don't need to worry so much with the 2 hour refund on steam. Funny thing is that when I purchased Elite D on steam it said 4.6 hours play when I'd only played less than 2 hours. Reason being it counted my time on the demo version.
I got Standard Beta Access for 60 € and lifetime expansion for 40 €. The Beta looked expensive but being able to participate in Beta for each major and minor release is great. In Comparison the approximately 135 € for the lifetime expansion pass offer before the Horizons announcement (which lasted until 15th September) is a different story though.
So in summary I think I made a great deal
Does indeed seem like a good deal for lifetime expansions.
Why do you find controllers awful? I have a Logitech G9x mouse. I love the realism of HOTAS and I'm the same for driving. I had a Fanatec wheel and pedals for a time. I won't play racing games with anything other than wheel/pedals. I'm looking forward to a new generation of VR controllers for FPS games but I will continue using HOTAS for Elite when I buy a VR HMD.
Hi, thanks! Also the thing about metacritic is that some of those reviews are based on the first version of a game. Still I do find Meta and steam feedback a useful measure. There are some games on Meta that have only negative so you know something is wrong with the game.
Lol. A heated debate!Note: The following is off-topic
Pompous wasn't the intent, of course. I was expressing my opinion through my own experience.
But deluded? No. My experience and opinion aren't deluded; it is what it is.
I'm well aware that it makes financial sense; I wasn't talking about that.
In my experience, their attitude and behaviour is far from that of an adult.
Are you a psychologist? If so, please provide evidence of your qualifications - otherwise I'd appreciate it you stopped making assumptions towards my motivations, you don't know me and as such, this is simply a baseless accusation; likely in an attempt to disregard my opinion.
My experience is completely different.
What you see as elitism, is likely just pride. Elite is a classic, it's the base inspiration of some of the most well known games currently on the market. It's a game that revolutionised part of the gaming industry. People are allowed to feel pride about that.
With that said, there is some elitism - but that's standard throughout the gaming community and it affects anyone. Elitism is a carry over from real life; it's human nature to want to excel past others and then place oneself above others. Kings, Princes, the rich and influential..notice how society calls them the "elite"?
1. I was expressing an opinion of my experiences, that doesn't mean I'm arrogant.
2. I actually like the smell of my own farts, so I'll continue to sniff them abundantly, but thanks for the concern.
I never claimed to be... not that you would know either way.
Whilst putting a game on Steam makes financial sense (despite the 30% cut Steam take), my experience is such that I consider it a mistake due to the type of players Steam tends to attract.
That's awesome, really.
Doesn't change my opinion: Steam users, for the most part, behave with immaturity - regardless of their age.
Honestly, my experience with a Steam sold game is usually a 3:1 ratio - for every 3 immature players I encounter, there's 1 mature.
My original post was pointing to my experience with the Steam community. Please, do not make the mistake of thinking I am arrogant, or self-important simply because my opinion, born from my own experiences, is what it is. I have, for the most part, had a horrible experience of Steam and whilst I support FD having to grow their user-base to increase their revenue stream, I don't have to like that they went (has to go?) to Steam to do it.
Is it required? Of course, not. I never said it was; nor was it implied.
-=-=-=-=-Edit-=-=-=-=-
This entire section was missing.
When, for example in WoW, you're in a dungeon and instead of a player helping someone who is obviously new, you find one (or more) player will actually mock and insult that new player and do a vote to kick; that's the immaturity I'm talking about.
-=-=-=-=-End Edit-=-=-=-=-
What I meant was this when the majority of the community is emotionally mature enough to not behave like a wild, sugar-filled 5 year old then people like the aforementioned player are not mature enough for ED.
I don't mind playing with younger people; one of my best playtimes in WoW was with a 15 year old kid from Brighton, we tank/healed for hours (other players came and went) but do you know why we could? Because he was mature. He knew the game very well and was patient and helpful. We got along. As long as their attitudes are mature, it's all good. Nothing would drive me away faster than a bunch of "lel noob" comm chats or similar behaviour - and from what I've seen of the Steam community over the years, it's what I automatically expect to happen eventually.
I'm pessimist when it comes to the Steam community.
Thanks! Yes, I have no problem with criticism of various aspects or suggestions for improvement. I'm really more irritated by the percentage who don't make the effort to learn after purchase and then post a warning telling others: "Do not buy this!". However, it's a fact of life. Not everyone is going to like a game or post a balanced review. Some reviews just consist of childish b*tching though and you can tell at once it's just because they found it too challenging and overwhelming.
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