PvE Groups; are they just a fad?

[verminstar]

Don't be daft, have you seen the fuss in the forums any time NPC's start to pose more of a threat, and the whine any time playing in open is mentioned. There are more poeple in private pve groups than other areas of the game. The prospect of a game that features any real danger scares many half to death.

I think yer getting real danger mixed up with toxicity...unless yer saying that playing ironman mode in solo with no guns is actively avoiding any risk?

Apologies to the op fer making the open v solo comparison, but its sorta unavoidable when ye see comments like this. Im in several groups but not mobius simply because I love a good chin wag with actual people, and membership is growing every day because they list how many join every day...have our own forums completely seperate from here.

Information not permitted here is shared quite openly elsewhere...thats one reason right there. Overall though, I dont see groups as a fad...if anything, I see them as the one thing able to retain the players who would otherwise find this game unplayable. I see groups like mobius as the only viable future this game has considering their original plan of rare but meaningful pvp has faceplanted hard...rare possibly, but meaningful? Dont make me laugh ^

 

[Globusdiablo]

...Don't really see the problem other than the need for private group to have better admin tools possibly..

That's one solution, surely.

 

[Jukelo]

Playing cooperatively against the environment.

AH. AH AH AH.

Playing cooperatively against the environment, what's the point when the environment poses no challenge whatsoever.

Obviously FD never considered this a true contender to Open mode and Solo mode, or they would have incorporated management tools. [...] I was just wondering if FD still considers PvE groups a fad?

No, Frontier obviously expected private groups to be mainly used by small groups of friends who wouldn't need management tools. That doesn't make private groups a fad, never has.

One of the many PvE private groups has now climbed above 36.500 commanders.

A figure given without context or reference means nothing. But considering PG owners have no tools to neuter inactive accounts, it would be pretty weird if that number were to decrease.

 

[S3B4ST13N]

Hahaha!

True story - we have cleaners at work with an "overzealous" approach to the community spirit. If I leave my biscuits out (or indeed my coffee), it ends up in the communal kitchen for everyone to use.

LOL! Amazing. *shakes head in disbelief*

 

[Globusdiablo]

...I am going to brush aside the argument that even if that's true, that's not what Open players want and we would encourage more to play there, while Mobius players make the effort to be in a PG and then act like they're in solo...

Because instead I just want to know if this is how you always debate-by taking fragments of text, applying your own meaning to it and then going "so what are you arguing?"

You have an incredible lack of substance in anything you've said thus far. Have you considered a job in politics?

Do you hear yourself while typing? My OP was about private groups being underdeveloped. You made it into yet another versus debacle.

Whatever your experience is of this game depends on how you play it, in which mode you play, and how you perceive the events occuring around you. I would have thought this was obvious to you.

I don't care which mode anyone plays in. And I don't care for your contrived condescension and aggravation. But I know your kind, and will of course respond in kind.

Do you have anything to contribute on the matter of PvE groups growing beyond what FD apparently imagined. No? Give it a go.

 

[StiTch]

Do you have anything to contribute on the matter of PvE groups growing beyond what FD apparently imagined. No? Give it a go.

No I do not and no I won't give it a go, because I have no interest in PvE or in developing PvE only solutions.

PvE isn't even anything more to me than how I make my money, until FD introduce PvE content that goes beyond a hack n' slash

Take my points how you will. I am not the only one here to point out that it's a less co-operative play than you are implying. Which is a shame because interacting with each other is the first step to progressive/emergent gameplay.

 

[Neonite]

Just where does this statistic of an "ever growing part of the playerbase is moving" come from..? This comment I have heard repeated since I first came to the boards, if it were ever true Open would be devoid of players 18 months ago..

Disclaimer: Love the game

On to the issue: Well I am kinf of new so might miss something, but it kind of looks devoid of players to me :/ I mean, I am currently running missions in the Federatino HQ system and haven't seen one player around.. I mean this is te Federation HQ for gods sake To be even more precise, in the week (or was it two weeks already) of playtime I have met exactly 1 player, yesterday. That's it :/ so kind of looks devoid of players for me :/

 

[imski]

It's not a fad, simply because the idea of PvE was mooted early on after the Kickstarter, which is why we got the "rare but meaningful" for PvP in open.

Mobius was (I think) setup pretty much as soon as we got the last beta going before launch, so it's hard to argue that the idea of not wanting PvP is going anywhere soon.

As a member, I don't necessarily have the time or inclination to want to play with people, but that doesn't mean I want to put myself into solitary. Mobius does also have rules for consensual PvP around CZ's where if you've both chosen opposite sides and you let other people in the instance know that you're there, there isn't a problem with it. The point is you don't have to avoid wings of PKers in Engineered ships.

That said some decent group management tools would make life a lot easier.

 

[Jukelo]

Do you have anything to contribute on the matter of PvE groups growing beyond what FD apparently imagined. No? Give it a go.

If that's really the intention of your thread, why don't you just start off your thread with that? Why not explicitely ask Frontier for better tools to manage private groups with and leave it at that? That would be a perfectly legitimate request on its own which probably wont get anything but either support or at worst indifference.
But trying to boss your way around by starting off your thread with that despicable "look how many players we have in Mobius, you better listen to us now!" is certainly not the best option if you're trying to have a legit and constructive discussion.

 

[StiTch]

Mobius does also have rules for consensual PvP around CZ's where if you've both chosen opposite sides and you let other people in the instance know that you're there, there isn't a problem with it. The point is you don't have to avoid wings of PKers in Engineered ships.

This did always intrigue me.

In anyone's experience, how much does Mobius see PvP within CZs?

 

[Globusdiablo]

...No, Frontier obviously expected private groups to be mainly used by small groups of friends who wouldn't need management tools. That doesn't make private groups a fad, never has...

And that is my point exactly. The players are choosing to use private groups in a manor that FD didn't foresee. And hence my OP; should FD reconsider.

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A bit off-topic, but all this aggressive condescension from self-proclaimed Open mode players is giving Open mode a bad name. Anyonereading this thread could be lead to believe that this is how commanders in Open mode behave. As a player of all modes, I find this disappointing.

If you want to portray Open mode as a great place, be that ambassador. Not the mutt. Unless of course you want to portray Open mode as an aggressive and condescending environment.

 

[StiTch]

If you want to portray Open mode as a great place, be that ambassador. Not the mutt. Unless of course you want to portray Open mode as an aggressive and condescending environment.

Tbh mate most people stopped trying to be "appealing" ages ago.

These forums are a bit of a joke. People will throw toys out of pram and get indignant over just about anything for the sake of it, regardless what input they're given. The "grown up" Open/PvP advocates exist elsewhere now, namely Reddit. I'm just here for the balancing discussions and cookies. And probably because I'm not grown up.

If I ever do grow up, someone gank me.

Point over though. Resume thread.

 

[imski]

This did always intrigue me.

In anyone's experience, how much does Mobius see PvP within CZs?

Honestly? No idea, I mostly spend my time mission running or in the black.

The subject comes up fairly regularly in terms of people seeking clarification in the FB group so it does happen.

 

[h347h]

But if an ever growing part of the playerbase is moving to makeshift PvE groups for cooperative PvE gameplay, would you revisit your initial thoughts on the matter, or ignore it?

What are you talking about, pve player groups have been a significant chunk of the ED player base the whole time. How do you think Power Play and the BGS monkeys do things? Just because there are village idiots in open making people play in private groups doesn't change the player base.

 

[Sugarat]

That edit in the OP.. looks like a complete re-write to me.. changes the tone somewhat don't you think..?

Maybe you shoulda requested the thread closed and started another thread OP..

Kinda hard for anyone joining the discussion to follow the responses with that re-write.. just saying

 

[h347h]

The "grown up" Open/PvP advocates exist elsewhere now, namely Reddit.

Probably because they cant handle the forum rules I mean being able to actually have a conversation with out devolving to a teenager would gain them a lot of ground here.

 

[Globusdiablo]

That edit in the OP.. looks like a complete re-write to me.. changes the tone somewhat don't you think..?

Maybe you shoulda requested the thread closed and started another thread OP..

Kinda hard for anyone joining the discussion to follow the responses with that re-write.. just saying

I don't see a problem. After the first couple of responses I was made aware that the title: PvE; is it just a fad? was indeed misleading, so I asked a mod to change it to the more clear wording of: PvE groups; are they just a fad? This clarification took place within the first couple of posts, and I made the edit clear in the OP.

 

[Sugarat]

I don't see a problem. After the first couple of responses I was made aware that the title: PvE; is it just a fad? was indeed misleading, so I asked a mod to change it to the more clear wording of: PvE groups; are they just a fad? This clarification took place within the first couple of posts, and I made the edit clear in the OP.

Was referring to the text changes in the main body not the title.. looks a lot different to me, I guess my memory aint what it used to be..

 

[Globusdiablo]

Was referring to the text changes in the main body not the title.. looks a lot different to me, I guess my memory aint what it used to be..

The only text changes I added in the OP were the Edit references. The content of the initial post is untouched.

 

[Commander Debic]

My biggest problem with Mobius, I think he does a magnificent job btw, is if for whatever reason he needs to leave ED is how will Frontier react.
If they ignore the problem then would many who can no longer play in the group leave the game.
Or would another Commander take over the reins.
Or would finally FD decide that the possibility of losing perhaps large numbers of the player-base galvanize them into taking the reins over themselves, although I see this is the most unlikely prospect.
The pve groups are definitely not a fad as some of the groups have been running since almost the start of the game.