I keep hearing the 'no reason' remark.. Its almost become a mantra. We don't ask why the NPCs attack for 'no reason'.. The argument is ridiculous. This is how I look at it, we play ED (a game with a present and histroical ranking system based upon mass murder) where we pilot ever increasingly heavily armed spaceships, in a cutthroat galaxy, set against a backdrop of raw anarchy and powerplays.. To expect not to be shot at is like buying a racing game and complaining you are required to drive quickly.
Yes, you can play as a non combatant in ED but it strikes me as a little odd. I came into the game with a certain understanding others it seem want to play an enchanced version of space engine.. There are people who have an aversion to combat.. Its ridiculous, and so are all the complaints, solo/pg are there for a reason ( I don't like the choice Frontier made here) but rather than just use these modes all we get is moanining and hate. Give an inch and they take a mile, now it seems they want Open for themselves too.
A space sim with guns.. expect to be shot at. As per remarks over unfairness, go read Sun Tzu..
But ask yourself this.. in a galaxy of 400 billion star systems are you seriously suggesting that we can't move for these 'griefers'.. Its utter tosh.
Please read my posts, you'll find when I say "No reason" I am referring to there not being any in game gain from the action, thus the reason and motivation must be something other then in the game.
So no, it isn't a 'mantra' at least in my book.
As for it being a cutthroat galaxy, that really doesn't work that way, the galaxy is at flux, but again, there is a reason for the things causing the flux, being it people want to take over a location, they want to attack a faction to ruin them and whatnot, there is a heck of a lot of cutthroat actions going on that have meaning, actions, motivation and whatnot.
Attacking some random pilot out of the blue, who's death gains you absolutely nothing, makes no sense in a cutthroat galaxy, anarchy or powerplay for that matter either, all of those have motivation and reason behind their actions, anarchy that people just randomly attack each other. If you think that then you are wrong.
Anarchy is the condition of a society, entity, group of people, or a single person that rejects hierarchy.
to sum it up, even without hierarchy and laws, there are rules, except these rules are made from a person/groups own views at odds with what would be considered general rules.
"If I see you, you die" simply doesn't work in anarchy, because then it would just self destruct, and again, this is what griefers take advantage off, they are at worst going to lose a ship and then they can keep going doing what they do, where their victim lose significantly more, and there are significantly more of the victims for every single griefer death. Victims can also not be ready to handle such a loss, say its a trader that, sure has rebuy, but also has a cargo full of stuff, you blow him up, sure he can rebuy, but suddenly he is down a whole lot of profit, griefer would ever only be down the rebuy, which they are mostly willing to face.
I want to also point out that I am not talking about playing the game "none combat" in any way, I enjoy those things, all elite has to offer, so I do not even know where you began that line from, sure there are some people, though yes there are some that do not want that, but again, they are a minority in my eyes, loud but minority.
You say all the complains are ridiculous? seems like you just are brushing every single one away that there isn't a problem? then you say we get moaning and hate? I want to urge you to read your own post, it seems rather biased just in the other direction. As for 'give an inch' I do not see that.
As for Sun Tzu, I...really really think you've misunderstood something, because AGAIN this has nothing to do with 'fairness'
You go to war, you kill for a reason a motive, anything, land whatever, however just killing some random person where you gain absolutely nothing, you should do everything you can to win a fight, oh most definitely, but again, attacking someone that clearly cannot defend themselves is not a fight of any kind.
I'm thinking you are looking at.
Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.
yes? but again, war is done for a reason, material or otherwise, in games this means you gain something, in the game, by doing it, even if it is something as simply as you now have your CZ in peace, that is a perfectly valid reason to attack someone. But when there is no gain from it, when the motivation for the kill or the gain comes outside the game? then it is griefing.
There is also another quote.
Hence to fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting.
Just you know fyi.
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Declare for a power, find a system where a rival power is trying to do something and other players are involved, and stop them from doing it. Only a matter of time before someone starts swinging.
As for your whatever you do, if being highly efficient is fun for you that's fine. For me it's the thrill of the unknown and the risks that lie around the next bend. The millions of credits I get paid for hauling tons of animal turds a dozen or more lightyears when they could just fire them into the local star is merely a bonus.
Yup, perfectly valid reasons to PvP, which is why I make a point of saying "No reason" is where there is no in game gain from actions.
I hope nobody takes anything I say too personally as I do value and appreciate all the help this community has given me.
