Pvp Tournaments
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and the selfish bit being that you only want fd to focus on what you want
what other people want is just a waste of resources
any solution to compromise between whatever sides again is just wasting resources you claim you are entitled to
i dno but i sense a lack of self awareness
this game is a predominantly singleplayer affair i fail to see how u can fear it is not
pretending this game is swarmed/dominated by multiplayer demands is just plain unreasonable
every aspect in this game is totally pve focused and only as of late there is some thought about multiplayer aspects (pvp or otherwise)
why are you so intolerant i wonder
I'm "intolerant" because the developers have been most active in the PVP 1v1 balanced threads. It's all about shield cells and Python nerfs this past few weeks when there are a ton of other threads going unanswered or whatnot.
I want them to focus on "what I want" because that's the game I bought. That's the game they declared as the one they are selling. You are the person asking them to take resources away from this and create stuff never mentioned anywhere up until some random PVPers mentioned it.
And even so, I'm not 'against' PVP. I think it's fine how it is in the game right now, it's the constant "balance" chase that I don't want to see. I've expressed my opinion on this in other threads so for this one it's pretty simple and I'll keep it on topic: I do not want this game to have any resources wasted on PVP-centric gameplay. It's really simple. It's not selfish, it's not greedy, I'm not the person asking them to create things that aren't in the game, you are. You even mentioned that this game has a PVE focus .... so why try and force them to cater to PVP?
Everything that is mentioned in the OP can happen now, are you to lazy to put it together? Should FD hold your hand to the correct system? Go do it. Start a thread saying PVP TOURNAMENT COME SIGN UP instead of a thread asking our opinion on it. I'll stay out of it, I won't be there, in the thread or in the tournament. But if you ask my opinion on it? I'll give it.
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and the difference is that i respect your opinion and you can ask for any feature you want
it is not for you or me to decide which resources go where
and btw u claim u are not against pvp but u are against balance which imo is a contradiction
Balance doesn't mean "PVP" balance. Every game has 'balance'. Zelda has 'balance' in the mechanics, doesn't mean it's "PVP". I am against "PVP balance" in a mostly-PVE-focused game with added multiplayer interaction.
And I respect your opinion, I just don't agree with it. I'm not 'asking for any feature I want'. I'm asking for the developers to continue with their vision. PVP wasn't a major part of this vision, it was an afterthought and the nerfing of ships and systems is the aftermath of that inclusion.
I can't imagine if this was a single player game or a coop-mutliplayer game that they'd have changed those two things that people are discussing. They were changed because of PVP and PVP alone, minus "maybe" the shield issue with the Python.
You're right, it's not up to you or me to decide resources. I'm unclear where you get that idea, I have absolutely no say in how they divvy up their teams and unsure why you would mention that. This is a discussion on where we would want them to put their resources.
even thou I am not really into playing ED for PVP I think this is a great idea if you Guys can pull this off would love to see some videos on you tube of the actionI've been thinking about setting this up for a while. It'd be easy to do, providing people want to compete for the glory of it and not expect any kind of reward. I haven't set it up because unofficial Galnet (see sig below) is taking up a lot of my time, but I'd love to get some footage from an event like this to use on the channel.
Players are restricted to Vipers
Players can use any equipment they like except shield cell banks (nobody wants a "round" to go on for 20 minutes while people spam healing potions, and it's very obvious when someone uses one of these)
FSD charge counts as an instant surrender
Player has the option of typing "surrender" instead of fighting to the death
I also considered the situation where a player runs for hundreds of kilometres waiting for a shield recharge, which would be naff to watch, so the ref could drop 2 canisters of algae at the start of the fight, a few kms apart, and if either pilot manages to pick up these canisters, they will win instantly. It's the kind of thing you'd only be able to do if your opponent was a very long way away, but it would eliminate the possibility of "running away for miles" while shields recharge.
Event would be knockout tournament style, and repair and rearm would be available between each round.
Event should probably take place on a weekend so that everyone has a chance no matter what time zone.
Event general area is announced to entrants well in advance (eg near Lave).
Event specific location is not announced to entrants until say half an hour before the start, or you'll get griefers. Alternatively, entrants must be in a custom private group.
Gogogo someone organise this!
What I was trying to say with my analogy was that we can have both things, it's not one or the other. And in a realistic vast universe such as this one, it is impossible that in one of the myriads of anarchy systems an event like this would not be held somewhere. Again, it's not compulsory, you enter only if you want to. And I most certainly did not demand the implementation of anything, I only had an idea and put it up for discussion. This can be easily implemented in the form of a mission in an Anarchy System. You enter, pay an entrance fee and fight it out with other players.
The reason I suggested that it should be world generated and not player organised is to accommodate all players and not only those that are heavily active in the community, some people may not have much time to be active.
I believe that events such as this would be great for players that don't have much time on their hands, as for example I could only have half an hour or an hour to play the game every day and going from station A to Station B for a mission or trading goods is not the most exciting way to spent that time. Whereas, if I can enter a tournament with other players, and maybe have 4-5 battles in half an hour and win some credits while doing that, that would be awesome, right? I'm not saying to adjust everything else to make this work, nor is it in any way necessary, I just feel that it would be a fun thing to implement. Something like this would definitely not destroy anyone's experience, nor drain the developer's resources destroying the future of the game
What I was trying to say with my analogy was that we can have both things, it's not one or the other. And in a realistic vast universe such as this one, it is impossible that in one of the myriads of anarchy systems an event like this would not be held somewhere. Again, it's not compulsory, you enter only if you want to. And I most certainly did not demand the implementation of anything, I only had an idea and put it up for discussion. This can be easily implemented in the form of a mission in an Anarchy System. You enter, pay an entrance fee and fight it out with other players.
The reason I suggested that it should be world generated and not player organised is to accommodate all players and not only those that are heavily active in the community, some people may not have much time to be active.
I believe that events such as this would be great for players that don't have much time on their hands, as for example I could only have half an hour or an hour to play the game every day and going from station A to Station B for a mission or trading goods is not the most exciting way to spent that time. Whereas, if I can enter a tournament with other players, and maybe have 4-5 battles in half an hour and win some credits while doing that, that would be awesome, right? I'm not saying to adjust everything else to make this work, nor is it in any way necessary, I just feel that it would be a fun thing to implement. Something like this would definitely not destroy anyone's experience, nor drain the developer's resources destroying the future of the game
I understand what you're trying to do, but doing a tournament like this in open might not be the best way of doing it. It really would be better for you to set up a private group, advertise the group, set up the rules for the tournament, time, place, and so on. Maybe you could have prizes--possibly a ship or credits or whatever you want to do--real money is probably a no-no as that might run into legal issues (I'm no lawyer, and I don't play one on TV, so I couldn't tell you for sure, but I don't think FD would be willing to go with that). But still in-game credits or a ship like a cobra or something like that might make a good prize. You could maybe even set up something for spectators or do youtube videos of the competition--that might be fun to look at. Where a lot of the anger from some is coming from is that there is a small, but incredibly vocal, minority that many of us feel is trying to ram pvp down our throats--and, frankly speaking, quite a few of us resent that and perhaps sometimes lash out (myself included at times--I've more than once used a few descriptive terms for pvpers and a few more that I deleted after writing because I didn't want to get a week or longer ban for inappropriate language. I want you to enjoy yourself and if you enjoy pvp, ok. If you want to set up a tournament where you and other players can duke it out, that's great too. Your tournament might even make the sports pages on Galnet
. Personally, you strike me as the sort of gamer and pvper that I like--you're not in it to beat up on easy prey or to grief or to try to rule the universe with your corporation of doom. What I think you want is a fair contest of skill, and I think that's great. Maybe one day, when I get my skills up and feel confident enough, I might join one of your tournaments if they prove popular.But do think about the private group option as I think you'd have greater success that way and it'd probably be easier for you to set up. Whatever you do, fly safe, and maybe one day I'll see you out in the big black.
What I was trying to say with my analogy was that we can have both things, it's not one or the other. And in a realistic vast universe such as this one, it is impossible that in one of the myriads of anarchy systems an event like this would not be held somewhere. Again, it's not compulsory, you enter only if you want to. And I most certainly did not demand the implementation of anything, I only had an idea and put it up for discussion. This can be easily implemented in the form of a mission in an Anarchy System. You enter, pay an entrance fee and fight it out with other players.
The reason I suggested that it should be world generated and not player organised is to accommodate all players and not only those that are heavily active in the community, some people may not have much time to be active.
I believe that events such as this would be great for players that don't have much time on their hands, as for example I could only have half an hour or an hour to play the game every day and going from station A to Station B for a mission or trading goods is not the most exciting way to spent that time. Whereas, if I can enter a tournament with other players, and maybe have 4-5 battles in half an hour and win some credits while doing that, that would be awesome, right? I'm not saying to adjust everything else to make this work, nor is it in any way necessary, I just feel that it would be a fun thing to implement. Something like this would definitely not destroy anyone's experience, nor drain the developer's resources destroying the future of the game
I agree, and I wouldn't mind it at all. I just think there are so many things that they need to work on right now (and in the coming year) including expansions that it seems like something that could be pushed way, way down the priority list. Especially because everything you state is possible now, just through player interaction.
I'm fine with it being added, would probably participate myself, but with this "Arena" comes reward tiers, ability to organize in-game, cheating, griefing, loadout limitations, cries for nerfs, cries for buffs, cries for "X doesn't team well with Y, nobody wants to have X in their team". Have you seen ANY other game/MMO with PVP that doesn't have this? THAT takes up a ton of developer time. Even Blizzard had "passive" PVP that had no reward, no system in place, they started adding PVP-themed stuff, is it better for it? Nobody knows, subscriptions are highest when there's PVE content and most expansions revolve around that so it's tough to say if the game is better for it. They had hundreds and hundreds of people. This team doesn't have the resources and I don't believe the expertise (not an insult, I just don't think they've put out PVP games) to give the players what they want. And I know they'd lose me as a customer if content patches started implementing more PVP oriented stuff and not PVE. Call me a carebear, I'm kind of over the whole Halo/COD/Arena kill:death ratio type of gaming. I don't really care about "risk" or stuff like that.
You can create this now, I'm not sure why you'd need them to do it for you. With how many cries about the Python there were and not seeing many players owning them, there must be a pretty large PVP base here on the forums, Python nerfs and Shield Cell nerfs were the most active threads. So either it's the same 10 people posting time and time again (could be, look at my activity!), you have a huge base right here on the forum that would participate.
I'm curious as to why this thread doesn't have more people saying "HELL YEAH". It seems pretty devoid of action if we are to believe that "a bunch of" the player base wants something like this.
My honest take? I don't think players want this. They want the unfair fights. If you wanted truly balanced PVP I can't imagine playing this game for that, it's baffling. I'm not saying that's bad, but this game completely legitimizes player killing or 'griefing' if you must (I don't really consider it that since you can switch to modes to avoid it). But I have not seen one single PVP Private group, maybe I'm just not looking in the right places but I would imagine if it's so important to people that much like the 3000+ player strong PVE group, we'd see the PVP counterpart. Or they just want to destroy Type 7's and were mad when the Python bit back.
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