Python/Class 6 thruster issue? (Devs please have a look)

[Kyokushin]

I've traded a lot since release and its getting REALLY boring after some time (jump from L7 to another trading ship takes much more time) the next target was python now i don't have "next" target ship...
Python will now be destroyable by sidewinders
Anaconda is also too vulnerable to small ships
Orca and Federeal Dropship is useless
L9 is obsolette i dont need so much money

So ill buy Imperial Clipper or ASP fit it and ill be able to get credits for this in L7 cause there's no need to upgrade to larger ships...
If I were to spend time (loads of it) earning money for modules and rebuy costs i want to get something that isn't destroyable by small ship
Tr y hitting a Car with a bike (Python/Anaconda = Car, Viper, Cobra = bike in terms of size and costs) THESE ships should be nearly undestroyable for 1 fighter ship...
There were many changes since betas(which i bought) but it's first time i'm regreting money I paid for this game...
And again i don't have python nor the money needed to buy and outfit it best i can get with my money is fully equipped ASP or Cobra, I trade a lot and for 2 days of playing trader i'm playing 1-2 days doing missions from BB or little bit PVP in Cobra or Viper and i don't have probs attacking players in pythons most of them even doesn't know how to fight and are like sitting ducks when they come to warzones...

So mr Mike maybe you should sit and REBALANCE ALL once again ? so the ships costing loads of money will be worth it ? It clearly looks like you don't have much experience in this cause all ballance is done like " it should be 1.5 stronger than this etc"
example ? burst lasers its better having pulse or beam cause bursts are poor try to get middle between pulse and beams
next example TWO Class 1 beams do more damage than ONE Class 2 Beam (difference in damage done to the same ship betwen Class 1 and Class 2 weapon is around 1.5, costs ? 6 times more)
WHOLE GAME IS VERY POORLY BALANCED and there shouldnt be random nerfs/changes like this! thats what i mean to say if someone don't want to read/understand what i wrote above

+1
Totally agree. Maybe there is more people who thinking this way.

You answered to me that I should buy my own Python but it is too expensive implying that I can't. I call it counting others people credits. Which is bad behaviour at least as I see it.

If you want talking about something is good to know something about it.
You will know something about playing Python when you will get one.
If you want to get one you will need cash.

This is simple implication, not counting in pocket.... so then:

If you dont have cash, you dont have python, and you do not know are you talking about, but still taking.

 

[Ian Skippy]

so where do you get your facts from?!?!?
the python is as multirole as a cobra! its NOT A TRADER!

so with your logic they must nerf the cobra also! reduce its speed by 17%. and shields by 33%
not one will buy it anymore!

next multi-role ship: anaconda!
nerf speed by 17%, shields by 33%

not one will buy it anymore
shall we proceed?!


if the python should be a trade ship, they should not name it Multi-Role!
really.....this was one of the dumbest comments i ever read here

neither it looks like a trader, nor it is designed as one...
the opposite is the case. imho they should nerf cargo! not the fighting abilities......

"One of the larger trading vessels manufactured in Inera Orbit Space by Whatt and Pritney ShipConstruct. Cabin accommodation is cramped and spartan in contrast to facilities for cargo and 'alien environment' transport. Though slow and ponderous, the craft has powerful CC-Voltaire shields and Volt-Variscan Pulse lasers, earning it the nickname of the "space porcupine". Not commonly attacked by pirate ships, but a popular craft for freebooters, usually used as a way-station and storage hulk."
http://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Python_(Classic)

Just play the games and read the books. The Cobra and Python do not fulfill the same role, they haven't for thirty years.

 

[Ozrix]

It was fun arguing with you guys, the drama is tearing me apart, Lisa! When is the nerf expected to hit the live servers anyway?

 

[AccidentalGenius]

can all the people posting against the python please tell us what ship they are currently flying? this should be interesting

I'm not flying a Python, I have only had the game from Jan and the nerf seems stupid to me for the reasons I've posted already.

I fly a Viper and I should have a 1 or 2 out of 100 chance of destroying an expensive ship like the Python on my own. I should be working with my friends to take down something like that. I like that, its exciting.
I can always decide not to fight when I'm in the Viper and move along. With the Nerf these Python players will not have that option. It's either kill or chase them away or be killed as the Viper pilot will be able to chase flying backwards.

I'm wondering why I should even consider trading more as I already have more than enough to play with my Viper.

 

[Starbuckz]

It was fun arguing with you guys, the drama is tearing me apart, Lisa! When is the nerf expected to hit the live servers anyway?

early February with shield cells being adjusted as well.

 

[TANDKO]

If you want talking about something is good to know something about it.
You will know something about playing Python when you will get one.
If you want to get one you will need cash.

This is simple implication, not counting in pocket.... so then:

If you dont have cash, you dont have python, and you do not know are you talking about, but still taking.

OK, I see you don't get it. Farewell.

 

[Kyokushin]

OK, I see you don't get it. Farewell.

But i have got Python. Four times! Fly safe!

 

[I_am_Jon]

Disappointed with this since only got my python 2 days ago.

Clearly it was overpowered, particularly the shields. But think this nerf may be going a bit too far, especially regarding the reduction in top speed. Would prefer a less severe set of changes and then review again later when there is a greater range of ships to choose from.

Guess we'll have to wait and see what other ships come out. Problem is right now theirs really not much to choose from. Since moving multiple ships to a new location is such a pain at the moment I prefer to stick to the best all rounder I can afford.

 

[Starbuckz]

OK, I see you don't get it. Farewell.

Exactly, they don't. At this point I'm beginning to doubt they actually understand us regarding their english skills.

I've got another one for you. You can pretty much compare shield cells with the current Python.
Both offer too good of a value for their price. Still you wouldn't argue with the shield cell changes, why argue over the Python then?

 

[remosito]

Disappointed with this since only got my python 2 days ago.

Clearly it was overpowered, particularity the shields. But think this nerf may be going a bit too far, especially regarding the reduction in top speed. Would prefer a less severe set of changes and then review again later when there is a greater range of ships to choose from.

Guess we'll have to wait and see what other ships come out. Problem is right now theirs really not much to choose from. Since moving multiple ships to a new location is such a pain at the moment I prefer to stick to the best all rounder I can afford.

Wait and see how she is post patch before dissing her would be my reommendation. Should be early february. Should give you plenty of time to get the hang of her and upgrade her a bit in the meantime.


And if it ends up being to much Mike said they'll buff her back up again. The way this one has gone over, I would prefer doing one good nerf instead of two half ones. Saves you one round of drama on the forums.

 

[Dogmeat]

TWO Class 1 beams do more damage than ONE Class 2 Beam (difference in damage done to the same ship betwen Class 1 and Class 2 weapon is around 1.5, costs ? 6 times more)
WHOLE GAME IS VERY POORLY BALANCED and there shouldnt be random nerfs/changes like this! thats what i mean to say if someone don't want to read/understand what i wrote above

This looks exactly like proper balancing to me. You post reads like "Elite is a game where you grind money so you can buy a Python and win". Many Python owners (not all) seem to be saying something similar. Hopefully FD with make sure that Elite never becomes the game you seem to want, and always changes things where they seem unbalanced or not as intended, SCB's, 4Pip SYS, ship stats; nothing should be sacrosanct.

Elite is a very complex game, not least because it is online and multiplayer. Rebalancing and fixing mechanics will go on as long as people are still buying it and its DLC.

 

[Kyokushin]

It is not true.
Everybody said than python is not na godship and have huge disadvangates and can be beaten by Viper. It should be boosted, not nerfed.

You post reads like "Elite is a game where you grind money so you can buy a Python and win".

It is normal, you playing, you have better ship, you are stronger player, harder to beat.

I think as other, larger ships like python should not be able to beat by one craft. 2-3 smaller crafts should be able to engage Python in cooperative, not single.

 

[IceyJones]

many many ppl say python is OP, because of the shield cells.......without shield cells the pythons shields (even the best in game) are EASILY gone in 30 seconds by two vipers with in sum 4 small beams!
so after BOTH nerfs hitting, the python IS rendered worthless in combat because even the poorest pirate players with barely fitted vipers will be able to kill any python easily!
i know it.....only shield cells prevent my solo-viper in killing any python! already had 2 matches against decked out pythons! only shield cells prevented me from dropping their shields! not the fracking "OP" python itself! it takes just SKILL to outmanouver ANY python already! so all the unskilled whiners should just SHUT UP because they dont know how to play at all!

im just glad, i have not bought the skin yet...would have been wasted money

as soon as the crap nerf-patch hits, the python will go back to the seller. damn the 10% loss on the ship.......i will then fly again my viper that made 40 millions in bounties (OP ship) and the same in assassin missions!

i will sit on 120 million then and dont know what to do with it.......

and i will NOT trade anymore.....i lost minimum 20 IQ points since i started it 5 days ago

 

[Kyokushin]

im just glad, i have not bought the skin yet...would have been wasted money

unfortunately i bought :/ Beautiful skin, good ship, but will be a piece of crap.

i will sit on 120 million then and dont know what to do with it.......

I wonder how much is worth kickstarter, backer with expansion pass profile with 350 mln on eBay
Maybe a public destruction of brand new BOX edition on 25k followers youtube profile will be good event

 

[Starbuckz]

so after BOTH nerfs hitting, the python IS rendered worthless in combat because even the poorest pirate players with barely fitted vipers will be able to kill any python easily!

and you know that because of your extensive experience with the Python in post-patch state even before the patch has been released

What makes you people think the Python should be invulnerable to a single fighter? It's not a carrier or something, it is just a freighter with combat abilities.

Edit: I actually want to say that again since you guys always tend to ignore that fact.

The Python is by design just a freighter with combat abilities.

 

[IceyJones]

because it is also NOW NOT UNTOUCHABLE!

onyl the shield cells prevent quick python kills

and once the shields are down, i only need 2 rail hits to disable its engines.......its so simple then

but as said....i will sit in my viper again in future......flying in wing with my m8tes....killing ANYTHING in this game.....easily

 

[Kyokushin]

It is simple, but these guys do not understand this, because they want to kill everything with their stock starter cobra.
They also do not understand it, because they never flied Python.

 

[TANDKO]

Ok. I change my point on that a bit. Leave Python as it is, give T9 700 sheilds and Anaconda 1200 sheilds. Problem solved

 

[AccidentalGenius]

So here is the solution to you. If you want to pursuit anybody and leave battle are when is too hot - use a Clipper. If it suits your gameplay style better than Python then why don't you use it? So actually what you propose is to make Python specs closer to those of the Clipper, which would be stupid. Why would a Clipper be necessary then?

Well now that's one silly reply, specially from a Mod who should be able to think before they post. Let me try and put it in easy terms.

a Clipper will cost you 22mil to start.
a Python will cost you 56mil to start.

Even way more expensive if you outfit it properly.

Hell lets add the Viper in there. It will cost you 142k. Is the Python 394 times better than the Viper? Does it take 394 Vipers to kill a Python? Should it? Lol no, maybe 3 or so working nicely together OVER TIME.
Does it? No, with the nerf it will take 1 half-skilled Viper Pilot.

By your reason the Python should not have similar or better stats and should not be able to do some things better or close to a ship more than half it's price.

The question is not why would the Clipper be necessary, the question is why would the Python be as the Clipper is already there and a good option because it fits its price bracket...

 

[Kyokushin]

Ok. I change my point on that a bit. Leave Python as it is, give T9 700 sheilds and Anaconda 1200 sheilds. Problem solved

I agree. It a good point of view. Conda and L9 should be stronger. But i think balancing should start after release of 30 ships.