[QUESTION] I hosted an event. Can I transfer money to the winners so they don't get banned? And I didn't get banned?

[Just_]

The first 3 winners won 750, 500 and 250 million respectively. I want to transfer this money to them using the fleet carrier, but I’m afraid that we will get a ban for RMT. Just in case, I will say that we have a recording of the event, as well as announcements on various community discord servers about its holding.

@sallymorganmoore

 

[Helmut Grokenberger]

Isn't that a question you should have cleared, ideally with Frontier, before you promised to hand out goods?

 

[Ian Doncaster]

1) The Frontier Terms and Conditions are very clear that Frontier may ban any player at any time for any reason and that any prior assurances that they wouldn't are not valid and nor can you draw any conclusions from the fact that they didn't ban you or someone else yesterday that they won't today. Nothing anyone on this forum says - including me - changes any of that.

If you would like to seek an explicit variance in the T&Cs for yourself such that the following activities are declared allowed in writing and signed by an authorised Frontier representative:
- logging in
- owning a carrier
- placing goods on the carrier
- setting docking rights on the carrier
- setting markets on the carrier
(all of which would ordinarily be against the T&Cs, because they are genuinely that broadly worded)
then you're probably better emailing them at community@frontier.co.uk rather than asking on the forums.


2) People routinely transfer large amounts of money via carrier cargo to their friends, alt accounts, etc. It's been a major use of carriers ever since they were introduced. Frontier recently made significant increases in the sale prices cargo could be set at to encourage more carrier-based money/goods transfers between players.

1.5 billion credits split between three people barely even counts as a large amount of money nowadays - a wing going Orthrus hunting at one of the new spire sites could pick that up in a few hours. If people were regularly getting banned for "innocent" trades it would have been noticed by now, and it's not something which would be in Frontier's business interests to start an unannounced crackdown on.

 

[Just_]

Isn't that a question you should have cleared, ideally with Frontier, before you promised to hand out goods?

I sent the email before. Still no reply.

 

[Just_]

1) The Frontier Terms and Conditions are very clear that Frontier may ban any player at any time for any reason and that any prior assurances that they wouldn't are not valid and nor can you draw any conclusions from the fact that they didn't ban you or someone else yesterday that they won't today. Nothing anyone on this forum says - including me - changes any of that.

If you would like to seek an explicit variance in the T&Cs for yourself such that the following activities are declared allowed in writing and signed by an authorised Frontier representative:
- logging in
- owning a carrier
- placing goods on the carrier
- setting docking rights on the carrier
- setting markets on the carrier
(all of which would ordinarily be against the T&Cs, because they are genuinely that broadly worded)
then you're probably better emailing them at community@frontier.co.uk rather than asking on the forums.


2) People routinely transfer large amounts of money via carrier cargo to their friends, alt accounts, etc. It's been a major use of carriers ever since they were introduced. Frontier recently made significant increases in the sale prices cargo could be set at to encourage more carrier-based money/goods transfers between players.

1.5 billion credits split between three people barely even counts as a large amount of money nowadays - a wing going Orthrus hunting at one of the new spire sites could pick that up in a few hours. If people were regularly getting banned for "innocent" trades it would have been noticed by now, and it's not something which would be in Frontier's business interests to start an unannounced crackdown on.

Got it, thanks.

 

[Rebel Yell]

Without using a carrier, sharing wing missions is the way to do it.

 

[Alec Turner]

The first 3 winners won 750, 500 and 250 million respectively. I want to transfer this money to them using the fleet carrier, but I’m afraid that we will get a ban for RMT. Just in case, I will say that we have a recording of the event, as well as announcements on various community discord servers about its holding.

@sallymorganmoore

Nah, it'll be fine - Frontier would be insane to veto the offering of credit prizes for community competitions like this. Besides, all the steps involved re: using a fleet carrier to sell low and buy back high are explicitly supported by the game.

I'd quite like to shout this event out in the community section on Lave Radio tomorrow night. Could you tell me a bit more about it? Was it an SRV mountain climb race? Are you planning to do this kind of thing again, would you be interested in other commanders joining you, and if so where can they find out more about your group?

 

[Just_]

Yep, it was an SRV mountain climb race + fighter race. I don't know when will I do such thing again, because I sent out invitations to at least 5 community discord servers and still almost nobody came.
IREA is Independent Russian Explorers Association, sister of IEA (Independent Explorers Association), both are created by CMDR Richard Fluiraniz M.
As for Lave Radio, I'm not sure I can do it because I don't know English well enough to talk to someone fluently. ;-;

 

[Old Duck]

2) People routinely transfer large amounts of money via carrier cargo to their friends, alt accounts, etc. It's been a major use of carriers ever since they were introduced. Frontier recently made significant increases in the sale prices cargo could be set at to encourage more carrier-based money/goods transfers between players.

I was quite public when I solicited donations for my fleet carrier back when they were first added to the game, and a couple very nice CMDRs donated a billion credits each via the carrier buy / sell mechanism. Nobody at Frontier batted an eye. I think the only area where a person might get in trouble is where they offer real money to have someone else play the game for them (handing over their login credentials) to obtain credits, engineering, etc.

 

[Alec Turner]

Yep, it was an SRV mountain climb race + fighter race. I don't know when will I do such thing again, because I sent out invitations to at least 5 community discord servers and still almost nobody came.
IREA is Independent Russian Explorers Association, sister of IEA (Independent Explorers Association), both are created by CMDR Richard Fluiraniz M.
As for Lave Radio, I'm not sure I can do it because I don't know English well enough to talk to someone fluently. ;-;

No problem (and no need to do it yourself), I'll give it a mention (we're constantly trying to promote the whole #game-is-not-dead thing and shout about anything that adds weight to that argument).

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

Did you take money off participants?

 

[Sublime]

Since logging into and playing the game can technically be considered against T&C there’s not much anyone can say that would put you in the clear.

That being said, many, many people are already doing what you’re asking permission to do.

 

[Rainbro]

Did you take money off participants?

Nice try, Frontier.

 

[Just_]

Did you take money off participants?

Ha-ha, no, I didn't.

 

[Just_]

No problem (and no need to do it yourself), I'll give it a mention (we're constantly trying to promote the whole #game-is-not-dead thing and shout about anything that adds weight to that argument).

ok, thank you.