Quit backing and seek a refund?

[Jezzah]

Michael steps in for clarification and being is friendly self, yet the backers carry on their quarrel like nothing happened.

maybe the quarrel should be shown for what it is, a circle jerk, and left alone...

have a great weekend everyone btw

+1

I cant see what the problem is. Michael can only say the same things a few different ways and its still not getting through to some. I reckon if they are still grumped about all this then vote with the feet. This is nothing compared to the actions over at SC forums on a similar issue.

 

[Rog]

It's notable that pretty much all of the sniping, sneering, insults and inflammatory posts have come from among one group of backers, and it isn't those in beta.

If you value harmony so much, feel free to not post blanket insults.

 

[Bingo Brewster]

From a research perspective a survey has merit.



Without a poll I'd need to go through the other threads cataloguing opinions, it would be incredibly laborious and tedious.

I don't mean to waste your time, this is vastly simpler.

Why would you have to do this?

 

[rlr149]

Show some appreciation for beta and gamma backers. PAX is coming, release a backer demo with a couple of offline scenarios for everyone, so every backer can take a look at basic gameplay on their own PCs.

a rolling demo of the game engine would achieve the same thing if 'look'ing at gameplay on your PC is all you want. happy enough with that?

tbh i'll be expecting a 50% refund if beta's get to play alpha gameplay for half price.

 

[Fromhell]

a rolling demo of the game engine would achieve the same thing if 'look'ing at gameplay on your PC is all you want. happy enough with that?

tbh i'll be expecting a 50% refund if beta's get to play alpha gameplay for half price.

who said "rolling demo"?
I am talking about an actual scenario demo, aka Alpha1 relabelled as
"All Backer Appreciation Demo"

 

[[VR] Shadowman]

It's notable that pretty much all of the sniping, sneering, insults and inflammatory posts have come from among one group of backers, and it isn't those in beta.

If you value harmony so much, feel free to not post blanket insults.

Conversely, feel free to not post ridiculous accusations, nor make a huge fuss over something so small. Then, none of the comments in this thread (or other, similar threads) would have been posted at all and we'd all be happier. IMO, all these threads have done is make certain individuals look bad.

 

[Gibbonici]

Conversely, feel free to not post ridiculous accusations, nor make a huge fuss over something so small. Then, none of the comments in this thread (or other, similar threads) would have been posted at all and we'd all be happier. IMO, all these threads have done is make certain individuals look bad.

It could all have been avoided with better communication with betas, which is something that FD have obviously noted hence Michael Brookes' recent posts.

More information is due to come out next week thankfully, so all backers should be on the same page soon.

 

[Jezzah]

Michaels been communicating the reasons behind things recently and it still doesnt seem to be enough for some. So anything thats said next week will likely fall on deaf ears also.

 

[Rog]

Conversely, feel free to not post ridiculous accusations, nor make a huge fuss over something so small. Then, none of the comments in this thread (or other, similar threads) would have been posted at all and we'd all be happier. IMO, all these threads have done is make certain individuals look bad.

I entirely agree with your last point at least.

 

[Tharsys]

I'm sure FD understand that from a business point of view , the most important group for them is the most numerous group of potential buyers - this mean buyers purchasing the final version or beta standard, and because of their decision to buy depends on their opinion of the FD , so FD will not want to discourage them. Customers buying beta should not be worried apparent favoritism alpha customers, because in reality it is a group of the least significant from the point of view of profitability across investments due to the small sample size. There is no way that beta stage buyers can be despised just because they already paid. Any company that sells a product of mass media use, knows that there is nothing worse for them than bad reputation before the launch and the start of a true mass market. ED has approximately 50,000 customers for now, and I'm sure FD counts for 10 times more. This can be achieved only by the good universal opinion. We definitely should show a little bit of confidence and patience. I'm sure there will be some candy for all next stages pledgers.
Participants in the alpha phase should also remember that even if they are the most involved fans ED, they are not founders of the game. The real founders are those who by their quantity, allow it to rise. Lack of respect for them is here at least impolite.

 

[rlr149]

who said "rolling demo"?
I am talking about an actual scenario demo, aka Alpha1 relabelled as
"All Backer Appreciation Demo"

how very magnanimous of you to look out for ALL the backers.

i'd question how vocal you'd be for ALL the backers if i bought you personally into the alpha now

 

[azdour]

I have no problems with the length of time it may take for me as a premium beta tester to get hold of the game. I also do not have an issue with Alpha testers getting it first.

On the issue of the sudden new perk, yes I am irked by it. But at the same time I have faith that Frontier also realises that the beta players are also important to them and will have as much to do with the success of the game as the alphas are having.

So I believe Frontier will also give a perk to the beta people to show their appreciation for them testing as well.

 

[Amorelia]

So I believe Frontier will also give a perk to the beta people to show their appreciation for them testing as well.

For me, the best perk would be an update to the past-due schedule, combined with an understanding this is not the same as even hoping for an earlier release.

 

[ToadMan]

I'll ask again then Toad :-

If it was so, so obvious that first beta was to be alpha tested by just the alphas first why weren't any of you alphas kind enough to point it out before the recent newsletter dropped?

Kind of incredible that in all the threads and posts before the recent newsletter dropped, when everything from Space Station layouts to the colour of DB's underwear were being discussed that not one, not once was this mentioned. Or is your position that it was 'so obvious it didn't need mentioning', if so, that did not stop any other number of obvious points being discussed on these boards.

I'm not saying it was obvious or self evident a year ago or 2 months ago or anything.

It's called software development rather than manufacturing for a reason - the project managers are there to manage.

They decided this probably in light of more detailed planning and it is a sensible decision.

You can be part of the alpha group, you or anyone else is not excluded - it's your choice whether you wish to be. Your purchasing decision in no way affects whether this is a sensible decision from FD at this stage in development.

Toad.

 

[Theodrid]

I'm not saying it was obvious or self evident a year ago or 2 months ago or anything.

It's called software development rather than manufacturing for a reason - the project managers are there to manage.

They decided this probably in light of more detailed planning and it is a sensible decision.

You can be part of the alpha group, you or anyone else is not excluded - it's your choice whether you wish to be. Your purchasing decision in no way affects whether this is a sensible decision from FD at this stage in development.

Toad.

Blimey, that was a delayed response Toad!

Do not get me wrong, I am aware this is software development and I have already conceded in another post that it probably is a sensible decision on FD's part concerning the beta, however, a sensible decision can also be controversial, better communicated, (and preferably, and if possible, at an earlier time in this case).

And I am well aware that nobody is 'excluded' from alpha other than if they cannot justify or afford the cost. And I am also aware that any purchasing decision has no baring on how sensible a decision is.

But I will never stop leaning on FD in terms of posts on these boards to contribute to better decisions and maybe help reshape ones which some of us think are far from sensible, if applicable of course, and be better communicated that this recent one.

 

[Jezzah]

Think the communication is coming soon about whats happening in the next few weeks. Admittedly a better explanation in the first instance would have helped rather than having Michael coming on here into these threads to try to firefight the situation.

 

[Herik]

I don't give a rat's bottom what happens. I joined the Alpha, as part of the Kickstarter, because I wanted the game BUILT! I didn't care what I got or what I didn't. I pledged what I could afford (plus a bit that the wife doesn't know about). My only concern in all of this is that the game is built and released. It is just simply beautiful. It has exceeded all dreams already. All this squabbling, arguing and disappointment often comes from people that don't 'take' risks; i.e. they put something in, expecting something out. To be honest, you could take all privs away from me and I'll be happy. Give me the final game, some empty space and I'll be in heaven. By the way, I think most players will want to start from 100 credits. I don't see why any would start with the other options. They were perks offered to encourage pledges...

[edit]... and to get back on track. If there is demand, I don't blame Frontier opening up and taking people's money. You pay for what you get. Every £ is definitely going to a very worthy cause right now.

I Like this; sp33dy:smilie:

 

[Amorelia]

They decided this probably in light of more detailed planning and it is a sensible decision.

Absolutely it is very sensible IMO. I just ran out of words to describe my own incredulity at how it was announced ... then my jaw hit the desk at some of the responses.

But, moving on..... I'm thinking of ferrying some passengers in Oolite today.

 

[ToadMan]

Blimey, that was a delayed response Toad!

Do not get me wrong, I am aware this is software development and I have already conceded in another post that it probably is a sensible decision on FD's part concerning the beta, however, a sensible decision can also be controversial, better communicated, (and preferably, and if possible, at an earlier time in this case).

And I am well aware that nobody is 'excluded' from alpha other than if they cannot justify or afford the cost. And I am also aware that any purchasing decision has no baring on how sensible a decision is.

But I will never stop leaning on FD in terms of posts on these boards to contribute to better decisions and maybe help reshape ones which some of us think are far from sensible, if applicable of course, and be better communicated that this recent one.

Yes.... Delayed response because I left my ipad on the page and I hadn't realised the thread had moved on

What bothers me about some recent threads is that people are forgetting this is a development project and we are getting to watch it happen closer than has traditionally been the case (True of course for all kickstarters these days).

The development team are professionals in their fields. They're not here to explain to us how their dev project works or ask our opinions on every topic - they may not be good at that, they may not be interested in doing it, they may be too busy.

You want "clear communication", but they're a software development team, not marketing gurus or clear comms experts. The newsletters are probably written in a hurry between a lot of other jobs, because of this a pointless forum war breaks out. As has been stated the process is "organic" they're probably making day to day decisions about the coming few weeks.

The backlash FD got/get for taking sensible development decisions may make them think twice in future. I hope that doesn't happen and they remain focused on delivering a quality product and use the resources available to them in the most effective way.

Toad.

 

[Gwydion]

its funny, I think (my opinion not saying out and out fact) hopefully in the future before they come up with any in game monetary perks, they will say... actually, have some fluffy dice instead.

Oooo is that an option?


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