This is just absurd. Why do people make EVERYTHING about race these days? It's just a damn picture from a game most people will never know exists. Stop trying to create controversy where none exists.
Racial diversity among the powerplay lead figures
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I would safely say that this is a good start. The gender and age balance is well represented, imo (yes... 6-4 is not same as 5-5, but imo close enough among a small sample size). It is also nice to see that most physiques are represented - from muscular to slim to fit to chubby. In terms of racial distribution, as I.P. put it.. well, there are significant non-caucasian factors already, which helps.
There is room for improvement (meaning, and I'm saying this very explicitly just to be clear, even more diversity based on the characteristics we have here on Earth), to be sure - but with room for more powers, FD has every chance to improve this further down the line.
By all means, I don't expect the devs and designers to be shunned or anything - as said, this already is significantly better than what most of the game industry does. Major kudos for the leaders *not* being all old dudes. Just.. consider this just another voice asking for "good start, and even more diversity would be good from here-on".
There is room for improvement (meaning, and I'm saying this very explicitly just to be clear, even more diversity based on the characteristics we have here on Earth), to be sure - but with room for more powers, FD has every chance to improve this further down the line.
By all means, I don't expect the devs and designers to be shunned or anything - as said, this already is significantly better than what most of the game industry does. Major kudos for the leaders *not* being all old dudes. Just.. consider this just another voice asking for "good start, and even more diversity would be good from here-on".
Then, as someone said before, we need to look at alternative skin colours such as green or blue.
This is in the future.
We are putting today's racial stereotypes into something that happens 1300 years from now.
This is just pure political correctness.
Whoever #6 is he sure looks like Robert Patrick!
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001598/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t4
EDIT: as to the OP makes no difference to me, as long we don't "make" it an issue. I see this as creating drama where there is none, nit picking, and not having anything better to do then create an unnecessary moanwagon. no offense intended.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001598/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t4
EDIT: as to the OP makes no difference to me, as long we don't "make" it an issue. I see this as creating drama where there is none, nit picking, and not having anything better to do then create an unnecessary moanwagon. no offense intended.
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As it's a game, you're not meant to over think - keep the thinking for where it matters.
It's a valid question and nothing to do with 'political correctness'. I guess there are several ways of looking at this. One might be that FD unconsciously reflected the makeup of their own development team (which from piccies seems to be largely white and male, no huge surprise in a British game developer). Another might be that they are extrapolating a racial/genetic scenario resulting from millennia of white male hegemony. *shrug*
It's a tricky one. EVE attempted to show diversity but even there they fell into certain intellectual traps. The 'black' people (Brutors) were tribalistic and warlike in nature, which is just reconfirming all sorts of cliched and subliminally racist Eurocentric views of black people. again *shrug*
Furthermore: Why are the no ugly people! *shock horror*.. the tyranny of beauty is alive and well in the deep future
It's a tricky one. EVE attempted to show diversity but even there they fell into certain intellectual traps. The 'black' people (Brutors) were tribalistic and warlike in nature, which is just reconfirming all sorts of cliched and subliminally racist Eurocentric views of black people. again *shrug*
Furthermore: Why are the no ugly people! *shock horror*.. the tyranny of beauty is alive and well in the deep future
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Totally agree , lets have this subject closed down now
You are of the genetic and racial group who will not have a problem identifying with the people here. I'm a tall, white North-European male myself. It not being a problem to you doesn't mean that a problem doesn't exist, however.
It sounds like you would lose absolutely nothing if there actually was genetical diversity in the picture, or if it was saying something else than "the default skintone is white". If it's not important to you, then don't worry about this discussion.
I don't buy that. There's no reason why vitamin D deficiency would result in an entire skin tone being wiped out, especially since many planets have more UV exposure than Earth (Achenar for instance) and when modern vitamin supplements are readily available
I'm not sure how you address this problem without tokenism (assuming you believe it is a problem). I would hate to think of artists and writers stymieing their creative vision for a character in order to shoe-horn them into a contrived racial stereotype just to avoid the accusation that they aren't be representative. The creative process is the creative process.
I see an asian, a black guy, a mixed race woman (second from the right), a hispanic guy (the second from the left), an albino looking person that is Archon (I just flashed back to The Albino from Banshee...), and what appears to be a pixie on the far right (joking, I really have no idea what they want to go for there but perhaps Eastern European?).
Anyways, I do like how one of the guys is modeled after Robert Patrick. Whether it was intentional or not, I like it.
I see plenty of racial diversity - with all the "major" ethnic groups presented. White, black, latino, Asian. Men and women too. I see NO issue, and am ASTOUNDED that anyone's sensibilities are affected. If anyone should be offended it's the unrepresented green, purple and/or 3-eyed, 5-handed aliens who aren't part of the mix
I think we need to move on and simply enjoy the game...
I think we need to move on and simply enjoy the game...
I'm sorry but I find the skin colour/ethnicity to be completely irrelevant. I wouldn't even have noticed until people decided to point it out, why, because peoples skin colour is completely irrelevant to me, therefore it is totally unimportant to me how many ethnicities are shown in a line up of 10 fictional characters. I find the people who complain about this to be, well, a bit weird really.
Few points...
- I'd like to point out it's not just the "racial distribution of 10 pictures" but rather the racial distribution of the 10 people who are supposed to be the most powerful people in the entire galaxy. That makes a difference. It says something that these are the people with the power.
- I think basically the best that can be said is that it could be worse. Got a couple of PoC here, and there could easily have been one or none.
- Yes, that is kind of damning with faint praise. The distribution is still very much what you'd expect to find from a bunch of British developers, and there's no reason to automatically assume that distant future space culture would or should be dominated by white people in power (unless we take the rather pessimistic view that the opportunity gap is still so wide in the distant future)
- If you aren't concerned by this, that doesn't make you a terrible person, but it would perhaps do to listen to people who are a little disappointed by it rather than simply assume they are some overreacting, oversensitive souls who for some unknown reason need to be argued against at any cost. The absolute most that could happen as a result of people taking notice, is that a few more PoC make it into the upcoming powers which will be introduced into the game. That a problem?
I do hope that this discussion can be held in a civil manner. Every one of us here more than anything else wants to play a great game, no matter what our views are on this sort of thing, and it would do to remember that.
- I'd like to point out it's not just the "racial distribution of 10 pictures" but rather the racial distribution of the 10 people who are supposed to be the most powerful people in the entire galaxy. That makes a difference. It says something that these are the people with the power.
- I think basically the best that can be said is that it could be worse. Got a couple of PoC here, and there could easily have been one or none.
- Yes, that is kind of damning with faint praise. The distribution is still very much what you'd expect to find from a bunch of British developers, and there's no reason to automatically assume that distant future space culture would or should be dominated by white people in power (unless we take the rather pessimistic view that the opportunity gap is still so wide in the distant future)
- If you aren't concerned by this, that doesn't make you a terrible person, but it would perhaps do to listen to people who are a little disappointed by it rather than simply assume they are some overreacting, oversensitive souls who for some unknown reason need to be argued against at any cost. The absolute most that could happen as a result of people taking notice, is that a few more PoC make it into the upcoming powers which will be introduced into the game. That a problem?
I do hope that this discussion can be held in a civil manner. Every one of us here more than anything else wants to play a great game, no matter what our views are on this sort of thing, and it would do to remember that.
Interestingly, the "default skin tone" from an evolutionary point of view, was dark. It was only as human populations migrated north and we had less exposure to the sun that a selection pressure for lighter skin was introduced: we couldn't produce enough vitamin D.
They should all be Brown skinned. 1000 years in the future I would think the gene pool would be mixed up pretty well...lol.
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