Random Act of Violence is always the victims to bear

[SpookyRobbie]

Hey all still very much a newbie but enjoying the steep learning curve.. Yesterday was the first time I had encountered a griefer who trolled who I have to say in all honestly is nothing but absolute poison for the game .

So I have my Jolly Green Giant which is a type 9 transporter that carry's just under 800 tonnes. I tend to use this for deliveries for stations in need as I like having a ship for nominated roles. The FSD has been engineered to l4 as I ran out of data wake expections so when it’s full it has an amazing jump range of 17 lys lol.

Anyway as part of the CG the need was to delivery medicine to the Davis station in the Duamta so filled up in basic medicines , jumped into the system then dropped out of super cruise to around 9km of the station . Got to within 7.5 km requested access b4 I started to line up to land when within what 10 seconds if that I got my ship blown up by another commander .

Initial reaction was like what ? Surely not . But yes I had been wiped out facing an insurance cost of 4 million plus having to go back to buy and collect more basic medicine.

But the greifer hadn’t finished laughing at me to which I replied that it was nothing more that a scummy move and was an absolute coward. The reply I got was of a very disturbing sexual nature to which i immediately reported to Microsoft Xbox which I have every faith will be dealt with accordingly.

Humour me here though please griefer comments aside ;

I as the victim having now suffered a 4 million credit loss and time required to collect the commodities;

1. Should that be my cost to bare ?
2. Can someone tell me what fine presumably was given to the griefer ?
3. What other actions can be taken if any ?

Many Thanks

o7

 

[JosiahD]

Switch to solo or Private Group if you wish to avoid these types in open. It's the only way to be sure....

Others more qualified than I will offer ship build advice etc.

Oh, and you can choose to block the CMDR if you choose - he/she should appear in your contacts history.

 

[Techmonkey]

Shields for you and your ship would be a good start

 

[pzykozomatik]

"Help, I built a ship out of paper and now my feet are wet!".

But seriously, although it's definitely not easy surviving PvP attacks in a trader travelling to a CG station in Open mode, your case could've easily been avoided by putting some actual defenses on the ship. Maxing out for cargo capacity might work out against NPCs, but not players. "Just under 800 tons"... did you even have a shield fitted?

 

[CMDR Nathan Atterlein]

Hey all still very much a newbie but enjoying the steep learning curve.. Yesterday was the first time I had encountered a griefer who trolled who I have to say in all honestly is nothing but absolute poison for the game .

So I have my Jolly Green Giant which is a type 9 transporter that carry's just under 800 tonnes. I tend to use this for deliveries for stations in need as I like having a ship for nominated roles. The FSD has been engineered to l4 as I ran out of data wake expections so when it’s full it has an amazing jump range of 17 lys lol.

Anyway as part of the CG the need was to delivery medicine to the Davis station in the Duamta so filled up in basic medicines , jumped into the system then dropped out of super cruise to around 9km of the station . Got to within 7.5 km requested access b4 I started to line up to land when within what 10 seconds if that I got my ship blown up by another commander .

Initial reaction was like what ? Surely not . But yes I had been wiped out facing an insurance cost of 4 million plus having to go back to buy and collect more basic medicine.

But the greifer hadn’t finished laughing at me to which I replied that it was nothing more that a scummy move and was an absolute coward. The reply I got was of a very disturbing sexual nature to which i immediately reported to Microsoft Xbox which I have every faith will be dealt with accordingly.

Humour me here though please griefer comments aside ;

I as the victim having now suffered a 4 million credit loss and time required to collect the commodities;

1. Should that be my cost to bare ?
2. Can someone tell me what fine presumably was given to the griefer ?
3. What other actions can be taken if any ?

Many Thanks

o7

What i did back in the day, i added my murderer to friends, and left him there. After a year, i tracked him down, and murdered him while he was flying a paper ship.

It's beside the point, that later, he killed me again through the same method, but hey. That's open for ya.

Try and be mindful, when entering densely travelled areas. Cmdr hotspots are usually deadly to fly in with ship like the t9, especially if it's maxed for cargo.

 

[CMDR Yates]

Abusive chat aside (unfortunately something that affects all online games and I usually ignore comms and mute voice chat for this reason)...

You were taking part in an in-game community goal, and quite reasonably you will have people working against that objective while playing their own game.

You're a new player flying an expensive, high-end ship (relative to starter ships) with a lot of cargo. It's to be expected that people will attack you, often dirtily.

Someone whose motivations conflicted with yours did something to cause you to fail in your objective. That in itself is not griefing. Or poison. It's what adds risk and challenge. Learning to evade this is part of the learning curve.

Alternatively, go into solo if you want to just play with NPCs.

 

[ethelred]

Sorry you had a horrible experience.

The chat thing especially.

If you share your build then we can advise on building a "Open safe" T9, but it will come at the cost of some cargo capacity I'm afraid.

 

[zimms]

Inappropriate chat messages aside, yes it is your responsibility.

Your actions have consequences.

 

[SpookyRobbie]

Yes no shields as come on basic medicines for a CG is hardly valuable granted will be for Station to help those poor folk after the attack.

The options I see so far is
1 play in solo ;
2 play in private session ;
3 Arm ship up ; shields , guns etc more weight less range and cargo (for me that simply delays the inevitable ) although could give time to jump
4 fly in a wing

More options choose a different ship or even just don’t play!

But in all seriousness why should a player suffer while trying to help with a CG ? my options to get any sort of payback on the greifer are exceptionally limited.


i do like the let’s be friends though lol

 

[CMDR Yates]

But in all seriousness why should a player suffer while trying to help with a CG ?

Because trying not to die is a key part of the game.

In most online games you can die, or lose, or have some kind of failure condition that comes with a cost. An incentive to avoid that happening. This is one of Elite's.

In terms of the CG. These are usually intended to help a particular power or faction, right? The game encourages people to work for and against any powers/factions of their choosing. Trying to sabotage a community goal that's helping a faction you're aligned against, or working against, or just don't like is perfectly legitimate.

In fact, some CGs actively have opposing goals for opposing factions, which further encourages and legitimises players trying to stop the enemy faction achieving their goal (but is kind undermined by the existence of solo mode regardless).

 

[Techmonkey]

Guns and wing won't work. You would usually want to submit and highwake asap in the event of enforced engaged gameplay, so deploying and retracting hardpoints will just cost you valuable time. Wings won't help you either due to the excellent instancing and even if you are lucky enough to instance with your wing, you'll be focused and die.

 

[SpookyRobbie]

If the CG was of great risk or working against a specific faction etc etc then sure I’d understand it but it was to only help. Would you kill a nurse or doctor than where on the way to help cause they didn’t have protection ?? Simply delivering basic medicine . No precious cargos etc etc.

So in order to want to help your not only penalised but encouraged to play solo ??

 

[Factabulous]

If the CG was of great risk or working against a specific faction etc etc then sure I’d understand it but it was to only help. Would you kill a nurse or doctor than where on the way to help cause they didn’t have protection ?? Simply delivering basic medicine . No precious cargos etc etc.

Even NPCs will try and kill you for basic medicines. Or water. Or even hydrogen. And they exist in Solo...

 

[Dillon Fallon]

If the CG was of great risk or working against a specific faction etc etc then sure I’d understand it but it was to only help. Would you kill a nurse or doctor than where on the way to help cause they didn’t have protection ?? Simply delivering basic medicine . No precious cargos etc etc.

So in order to want to help your not only penalised but encouraged to play solo ??

This was put in place as the result of terrorist attacks. No reason why players can't support the terrorists.

 

[Linnunrata]

If the CG was of great risk or working against a specific faction etc etc then sure I’d understand it but it was to only help.

Probably the greatest reward you can give to people inclined to kill players on sight is to complain about the subject.

Though that verbal abuse report might change their equation, and you might even get tips and better build from this thread!

 

[CMDR Yates]

If the CG was of great risk or working against a specific faction etc etc then sure I’d understand it but it was to only help. Would you kill a nurse or doctor than where on the way to help cause they didn’t have protection ?? Simply delivering basic medicine . No precious cargos etc etc.

So in order to want to help your not only penalised but encouraged to play solo ??

I wouldn't do it. But a bloodthirsty terrorist (such as those behind the bombing) or a fundamentalist ideologue or violent accelerationist or an agent of a cruel dictator might well attack a medical convoy or attempt to disrupt aid.

And you can play as all of these things in Elite, if you want.

I'm not defending the language and verbal attacks this person made on you. That's unacceptable and out of the game's spirit and continuity. But when they killed you, they were playing the game as much as you were.

I'm not sure what the fun of the game would be if there wasn't some risk of failure. Some incentive, some spice, some reason to feel rewarded when you make it through in one piece. Otherwise you're just blandly moving a ship from A to B.

You could push a piece of paper back and forth across your desk and have no risk of failure. It wouldn't be very rewarding though.

And a CG in open IS of great risk. You just didn't know it. Now you do.

 

[[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos]

So in order to want to help your not only penalised but encouraged to play solo ??

Or be better in open. Have a better build, be aware of who is around.

You have already, and will continue to receive some (to you) harsh sounding replies.

I guess the thing is, in a multi-player game, you're going to get players that want to destroy you for numerous reasons. A good set of shields and a good boost capability may have seen you escape.

Don't be put off, learn from it. You lost a ship and some credits, you gained some good experience and some knowledge.

 

[SpookyRobbie]

This was put in place as the result of terrorist attacks. No reason why players can't support the terrorists.

Ok something to think of then that the player could be some ultra terrorist supporter. So first where is all the security surely this should be very much heightened,
2nd if the player is then destroyed by the defending faction what is the result ?
3rd if the player escapes do they then become marked as a terrorist ?

 

[AngryAntz]

I am terrible at combat, but I play open anyway. All of my builds (except my attempts at combat ships, that still don't help), I get the best shields I can and the best thrusters I can and put all pips into those (no weapons at all) and run for my life. It sometimes works, sometimes doesn't, depends on how good the person who intercepted me is.

No shame, as far as I am concerned, in putting your tail between your legs and running like heck.

 

[bladebss]

The player who killed you will have been given a bounty and a notoriety level. The bounty is based on your reletive combat ranks and ship values. A portion of your insurance costs will be added to the bounty and taken from your insurance costs based on notoriety of the player who killed you. Notoriety prevents the player from paying off the bounty and invites the attention of the ATR (advanced tactical response) over engeneered police force. Having a bounty in a system prevents you from using station services exept refueling i believe.

Flying a t9 in an open CG system with no shields is like dropping the soap in the prison showers and shouting hello boys as you do it. Its the wild west out there in open and you need to have your wits about you if you dont want to be taken for all your worth.

Get a better ship that can withstand a 20 second pumeling. Thats about 2000 hit points at minimum. Sadly the t9 is very slow and doesnt have the best mass lock factor for the size of the ship and can be out ran and out jumped by alot of ships not to mention the thin shields even at larger size generators. Its a pirates dream come true to be honest. Yea you can haul alot of stuff but that comes at a hi risk.
If you can, get an anaconda, its not that much more credits but its far more robust. Yea you will be hauling only half what you are now in the t9 but you will actualy make it to your destination most of the time.

Or play in solo when doing the CG in your t9 if you cant stand the heat stay out of the fire and all that