Rare goods resupply mechanic

[TheLastUn1c0rn]

Hello to everybody out there!

So, while I already had my share of bounty hunting and exploring in ED, I'm fairly new to trading in the game, especially when it comes to rare commodities. Hence, I do not fully understand the underlying mechanics, even after reading a couple of guides.

The question that bothers me now is: how exactly does the resupply system work in terms of rare goods? I've read that those goods should resupply once every 10-15 minutes, so that you can wait at a station and check back every once in a while to buy the newly arrived goods until your cargo hold is full. Sadly, I do not really see the system working like this.

Here is my example: Yesterday I flew to a station selling rare goods that is not listed on any of the suggested loops I found. The reason for this is it's long distance from jump point (>500.000 Ls). So, when I arrived there it had 8 units of the rare good which seems to be the stock maximum. I bought these 8 units and logged out after that. Today I checked back to buy some more but found that there was still nothing in stock. Also, the goods didn't resupply after 30 more minutes of waiting, nor did they after I departed and came back to the station. Because of the distance to the system's jump point I don't really believe someone else would also be waiting at the exact same station at this very moment to empty those supplies whenever they arrive.

So what's the matter here? Did I do something wrong? Don't the rare goods resupply when you empty the stock? I'm not sure if it is important, but after emptying the supply the "in stock"-section doesn't show a "0" or anything, it is just an empty box. [???]


Please, enlighten me!

 

[TheLastUn1c0rn]

Doesn't anybody know about this?

 

[CMDR Aengus]

Rare goods don't respawn until you sell what you already have as far as I'm aware. Has done since 2.1 I think.
To make rare goods more profitable you need to set up a loop, buy at one, buy at the next, buy again, then sell. Depending in wether it's a short or long run.
Rajukru to Altair and back used to be a good little one.

 

[Baron Bosc]

I don't have much experience with this either, but I worked a little with a rare commodity yesterday. In my case I was limited to buying 6 at a time; but the max limit was 14. So you buy 6 and then wait. Then another 6 and then wait. Then you only get 2 more. After that, nothing. So maybe in the case of the rare commodity you were dealing in, the spawn rate and the max limit was the same. 8.

Like I said, I'm not very knowledgeable. But maybe it's something like that?

 

[TheLastUn1c0rn]

@CMDR Aengus: Hm, I would believe it is that way, but I already had the "waiting" work as intended: arrived at a station, bought the 3 units in stock, checked back some time later to buy another 3 units.
Maybe the regulation you mention does only apply to some of the rares?

@jmjawors: That sounds reasonable.

 

[fennster]

Every rare has a maximum allocation, once you reach it they will spawn no more.

So say an items max is 16, and you arrive and get given 9, after 10 minutes it might give you 6 more... But not exceeding 16.

It is also possible you can get the full amount the first time around.

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List of rares and there maximum allocation... https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/63119-Rare-Commodities-List!

 

[bAdbUd]

I don't have much experience with this either, but I worked a little with a rare commodity yesterday. In my case I was limited to buying 6 at a time; but the max limit was 14. So you buy 6 and then wait. Then another 6 and then wait. Then you only get 2 more. After that, nothing. So maybe in the case of the rare commodity you were dealing in, the spawn rate and the max limit was the same. 8.

Like I said, I'm not very knowledgeable. But maybe it's something like that?

This is true each rare station has a MAX allocation of that RARE. once reached you do't get anymore. Except if you park there overnight and often you get another load of rares.

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List of rares and there maximum allocation... https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/63119-Rare-Commodities-List!

NOTE: That list isn't accurate, for allocation, or prices.

 

[TheLastUn1c0rn]

Except if you park there overnight and often you get another load of rares.

Well, I tried that and it didn't work.

OK, thank you very much.

 

[Wyaston Hypatia]

Each station that sells a rare had a maximum allocation per commander.
It will keep refreshing the goods until this max is reached, then you can have no more until you have got rid of the supply you have taken -sold-dumped-transfred to another ship.
You can then get more of the rares up to the max again.
The max is determined by the state the system/station (not certain which) is in so Boom gives more.

(I think you have looked at some old information as what you have described is how I think they once worked.)

 

[TheLastUn1c0rn]

OK, so do I get this right: the stock of rare goods is unique for each player, so that I will always find a full supply of rares if I arrive at an appropriate station I haven't visited before? In other words: nobody can empty "my" supply so that I don't get anything upon landing?

 

[Baron Bosc]

OK, so do I get this right: the stock of rare goods is unique for each player, so that I will always find a full supply of rares if I arrive at an appropriate station I haven't visited before? In other words: nobody can empty "my" supply so that I don't get anything upon landing?

I believe that's right.

 

[Iceman676]

In my experience rare goods have a max amount you can buy. A good place to start is at the rare goods web site http://eliteraretrader.co.uk/ It has info on what is available where and what the buying limits are. You can also plan out your rares route to try to max profit. Sometimes the max buying limit will be raised for a community goal or if the system is in a boom. When trading rares use caution as some rares are illegal in some systems and you may need to find a black market to sell them. if you are scanned you could unexpectedly end up facing a rebuy screen. Good Luck

 

[Wyaston Hypatia]

Yes the stock is specific to you.

 

[fennster]

OK, so do I get this right: the stock of rare goods is unique for each player, so that I will always find a full supply of rares if I arrive at an appropriate station I haven't visited before? In other words: nobody can empty "my" supply so that I don't get anything upon landing?

Yes, if another player arrives at the station you would both see an amount granted for you.

 

[Limoncello Lizard]

Unfortunately, the allocation of rare goods has been applied very badly. There is never any indication of how many you can expect to get, how long you have to wait or whether you have actually reached the maximum. It won't tell you if a rare good is blocked for any reason. There nothing at all you can do to influence the allocation. Nor are there any alternative methods of getting rare goods, no missions, not available from the black market.
There is one small exception. Sometimes pirates can have rare goods. I killed a pirate with Pavonis Ear grubs last week, these are currently not for sale anywhere.

Three rare goods are currently not available in the game (not that it tells you): Wolf Fesh, Pavonius Ear Grubs, and Motrona Experience Jelly.

This is true each rare station has a MAX allocation of that RARE. once reached you do't get anymore. Except if you park there overnight and often you get another load of rares.

The OP has said that he waited overnight. If you have reached the maximum, you won't get more unless a random factor has been applied.

NOTE: That list isn't accurate, for allocation, or prices.

there is no such thing as an accurate definition of the allocations any more. It now depends on the state of the faction selling the rare good. Plus there seems to be a large random factor involved as well.
You can occasionally get several times the stated maximum, sometimes you will get far less.

 

[Thetele]

Every rare has spawn station.

Value increase based on how far from spawn station you are selling it but the max value has cap that is achieved about 160 ly away from spawn location, value of rare won't increase at all after that point. Usually this increase in value is over 10 000 cr but depend about how expensive the rare in chase is. Current rare trading CG has rare that cost about 100 cr and sell at cg station for over 10 000 cr (or at least did yesterday).

Every rare has how amount of how much of it can spawn at once. its usually x-y and no just one number. This can have a lot of variety, some rares spawn 1 at a time or over 20 at time.

Every rare have max amount player can buy/hold at once. If you reach this limit you can't buy that specific rare yourself until you sell or drop it. You can however pick up more of this same rare dropped by other player or npc.

Rare re spawn or come back to stock every 10 (or is it 15) minutes until you have max amount of it in your cargo hold you can get by buying. This time can't be skipped with log out/log back in or mode switching.

So for example (not actual rare or numbers) Rare commodity x spawn at station y, has spawn amount of 5-8 at once and one player can buy/hold 17 tons at once. The game spawn 5-8 of x to commodity market every 10 minutes until player have 17 tons of x in their inventory. If player have 15 tons of x in their inventory and max is 17 the last amount that spawn is 2 tons of x. The value of x increase based on distance to station y and tops about 160 ly away from y station.