Because I can't let you go unchecked saying false things.
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Because I can't let you go unchecked saying false things.
I laid out a hypothetical point to make a case, nothing more. It required no "proving" because it was simply a note on skepticism. It wasn't false, because it was an opinion. You are either an artifact level troll or one of the least intelligent people on the Internet. Again, a lovely combination of the two I think.
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The irregularity of the solar flare phenomenon is a valid contributor to the relationship of climate changes... that just makes scientific sense when considering the relationship of heat and solar radiation within the upper atmosphere!!
it is something that should not be so easily discounted!! especially when considering size relationships of both planetary bodies
couple this with pole shifts... earthquake affects.. sea current movements and land mass(mountainous ranges) shifting out of alignment a number of degrees causing wind variances etc etc.. can have a huge affect on climate!!
It is definately not far fetched.. nor a stretch of scientific possibility.
unfortunately... scientists have been lazy, and have settled for the Blame humankind, and while were at it.. well fleece them for some money(government regulations) too!!
You just named the main driver behind the climate "crisis:" $$$ redistribution.
Once more, got anything more than baseless conjectures? On another note, solar activity hasn't increased enough to account for the warming observed, actually, scientists have studied the effects of many factors in climate change, for example, in "Anthropogenic and natural warming inferred from changes in Earth’s energy balance." on Nature, the authors estimate the forcing effect of several factors including solar, surprise, surprise, it's a minor cause.
Hmmm, but I like Miami!
https://freebeacon.com/politics/oca...a-few-years-without-action-on-climate-change/
https://freebeacon.com/politics/oca...a-few-years-without-action-on-climate-change/
Listen, if I come across some of the papers I read about it I will post it here, however I didn’t save the links and it doesn’t change the facts that nothing is black or white or as the mainstream media say it is.
I’m not here to win an internet argument as I already got an opinion and nothing will change unless I see some trustworthy evidence.
Until then, have a wonderful day!
I really wonder what is trustworthy evidence for you, not that there are thousands of peer-reviwed papers agreeing AGW is a thing through multiple methods.
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/8/2/024024/pdf
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I don't believe "winning an argument" here will change that much
What would you consider "trustworthy evidence"? As Gregg mentioned, there is an almost unprecedented scientific consensus about global warming being a serious problem and it being caused by human activity. The media often quotes science wrong, and they try to survive by having you and I clicking a headline, so the more sensational the headline, the bigger the chance that we'll bite the bait. That does not change however, that there is a larger consensus on AGW than there is about many subjects that you would consider proven and tested.
Realizing AGW and it's potential and likely consequences is tough. It will put most people through an existential crisis, but there's no way of solving it until we all agree that it's a problem. Whether that will happen is much more uncertain.
I just want to know if there's any scientific consensus that Miami "will not exist in a few years."
Instead of bashing skeptics, perhaps you guys should be getting on the cases of those (pundits/writers/politicians) who shamelessly harness fear by distorting facts (or more likely pulling "facts" right out of their posteriors) in order to gain power, control and wealth. There will not be a constructive conversation with people like me until you guys get your house in order, because outside of fun forum PvP I simply don't plan on changing my life based on bad faith arguments.
Instead of bashing skeptics, perhaps you guys should be getting on the cases of those (pundits/writers/politicians) who shamelessly harness fear by distorting facts (or more likely pulling "facts" right out of their posteriors) in order to gain power, control and wealth. There will not be a constructive conversation with people like me until you guys get your house in order, because outside of fun forum PvP I simply don't plan on changing my life based on bad faith arguments.
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Probably not.
Uh huh. Then why isn't the climate change movement including you here and now condemning this kind of nonsense? You gleefully waste your ammunition on people whom aren't the problem, yet you turn a blind eye to all the fear mongers and blatant hypocrites whose lifestyles put the lie to what they preach for public consumption. Seems pretty hypocritical to me.
Global Warming vs. Solar Cooling: The Showdown Begins in 2020
A recurring solar event called a grand minimum could 'cool' the sun for about 50 years.
Sun's impact on climate change quantified for first time
For the first time, model calculations show a plausible way that fluctuations in solar activity could have a tangible impact on the climate. Studies funded by the Swiss National Science Foundation expect human-induced global warming to tail off slightly over the next few decades. A weaker sun...
Tiny Solar Activity Changes Affect Earth's Climate
Even small changes in solar activity can impact Earth's climate in significant and surprisingly complex ways, researchers say. The sun's solar activity cycle will peak in 2013.
Trustworthy is an organization or person who is not connected to any political group or private person, very few around these days.
An interesting report on the dangers of Sulphur hexafluoride that is used in many things including wind turbines etc:
'Climate change: Electrical industry's 'dirty secret' boosts warming':
www.bbc.com
Sounds kind of crazy, and probably not what we should be using?!!
'Climate change: Electrical industry's 'dirty secret' boosts warming':
Climate change: Electrical industry's 'dirty secret' boosts warming
It's the most powerful greenhouse gas you've never heard of, and levels in the atmosphere are soaring.
www.bbc.com
Sounds kind of crazy, and probably not what we should be using?!!
Balance in all things. Let's not pretend that safety and fire prevention aren't worth considering.An interesting report on the dangers of Sulphur hexafluoride that is used in many things including wind turbines etc:
'Climate change: Electrical industry's 'dirty secret' boosts warming':
Climate change: Electrical industry's 'dirty secret' boosts warming
It's the most powerful greenhouse gas you've never heard of, and levels in the atmosphere are soaring.
Sounds kind of crazy, and probably not what we should be using?!!
Pretending an issue doesn't exist is as much of a problem as exagerating it. I do not read mainstream articles because I know they exagerate everything which I already said.
Global Warming vs. Solar Cooling: The Showdown Begins in 2020
A recurring solar event called a grand minimum could 'cool' the sun for about 50 years.www.livescience.com
Sun's impact on climate change quantified for first time
For the first time, model calculations show a plausible way that fluctuations in solar activity could have a tangible impact on the climate. Studies funded by the Swiss National Science Foundation expect human-induced global warming to tail off slightly over the next few decades. A weaker sun...phys.org
Tiny Solar Activity Changes Affect Earth's Climate
Even small changes in solar activity can impact Earth's climate in significant and surprisingly complex ways, researchers say. The sun's solar activity cycle will peak in 2013.www.space.com
Trustworthy is an organization or person who is not connected to any political group or private person, very few around these days.
That'd make virtually any and all research "untrustworthy" yet it definetly is not, then again, why do you think papers are peer-reviewed and results retested?
BTW, those are just media outlets which I thought you guys hated unless they happen to (hardly) support your beliefs.
Edit: After some digging I found out that the source for the first article you quoted mentioned the following:
"This work was supported by California state funds to the Scripps Institution of Oceanography."
The second article was written and based on studies by the Swiss National Science Fondation.
The third article mentioned the following:
"To learn more about how such tiny variations in solar energy might impact terrestrial climate, the National Research Council (NRC) convened dozens of experts in many fields, such as plasma physics, solar activity, atmospheric chemistry, fluid dynamics and energetic particle physics."
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Most people would agree that grotesque mischaracterization of a problem in order to stoke panic is a bigger problem.
I'm hardly seeing panic in the public and media exaggerating things is nothing new, in any case, combating a problem with another problem isn't a solution.
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