Redeploy logic question

[redstamp]

I was following a YouTube guide about farming data from Jameson crash site and built a small jumping sidewinder to reduce expense, then set off, farmed and self-destructed to get back to data trader quickly... but the only redeploy option was some fleet carrier over the Jameson crash site planet that I had never visited before.

Is this fast farming method defunct?

Thanks

 

[Ian Doncaster]

Redeploy logic is:
- redeploy to a friendly station in your current system is possible
- else redeploy to your last-docked station

If that's changed recently to count fleet carriers as usable redeploy sites, then that's interesting (and probably pretty useful in some situations)

If you have Odyssey, you should be able to use the escape pods on the FC concourse to get back to your last non-FC station that way; if not you'll have to fly there.

 

[redstamp]

Redeploy logic is:
- redeploy to a friendly station in your current system is possible
- else redeploy to your last-docked station

If that's changed recently to count fleet carriers as usable redeploy sites, then that's interesting (and probably pretty useful in some situations)

If you have Odyssey, you should be able to use the escape pods on the FC concourse to get back to your last non-FC station that way; if not you'll have to fly there.

Deefo went to a FC that I hadn't even visited before, but didn't know the escape pod thing, as don't tend to do anything on foot, but worth noting - thanks for the tip

 

[Q GT70]

jameson's site isn't defunct

your method of returning someplace is doable too if not odd for using it inside the bubble. not sure how that cuts any cost either.

i use whatever ship..usually a long range DBX or icourier..land and farm and fly away. nothing but time is spent.
and not much time.

but then, even visiting the shard gardens 1500ly away, i don't self destruct. there are neutrons everywhere

in the bubble there are white dwarves and at least 2 neutrons to make getting anywhere in the bubble a 10 minute trip at most.

time is the real currency, but it sounds like you are also very low on credits.

when I'm feeling really lazy I use a carrier to ferry me around and fly a cutter or a t-10 with packhounds= mylazyfighter. credits cost is meaningless. time and effort cost.

 

[Helmut Grokenberger]

is this the right time to repeat myself and reprimand the Youtube guide fools for actually recommending self-destruct as a viable gameplay option? I hate those stupid min-max-efficiency-guides.

Fly back, for Pete's sake. Diaguandri is only a couple of jumps away from Jameson's Cobra.

 

[redstamp]

Fair points - I was only following guidance and wondering if it was out-of-date, as in-game logic seemed different - serves me right for taking everything I see as read ;-)

 

[Q GT70]

take Helmut's words as gospel / words to live and to die by.

utube howtos require salt in vast amounts imo. then flush vigorously. and then try it your way.

remember what a lemming is and try not to be one.

 

[Jack Winter]

IMO it ruins the game to try to relog and min/max instead of just playing the game and having fun... The only exception might be someone that has to level a commander very quickly for some reason.

 

[redstamp]

jameson's site isn't defunct

Not sure I said it was - I was asking about how the redeployment logic worked

remember what a lemming is and try not to be one.

Doing research through a variety of methods as the in-game information and guidance is terrible isn't being a lemming, it's called trying stuff out and asking helpful people why it didn't work

in the bubble there are white dwarves and at least 2 neutrons to make getting anywhere in the bubble a 10 minute trip at most.

This is kinda the point I am making - where is the information on how to use these stars to make the trips 10 mins? I found a video on YouTube, but tbh - they're all fairly old and now not even sure (based on reployment logic change experience highighted in this post) how they work won't have changed since that video... is researching the mechanics of this game really supposed to be so difficult?

And as much as people disparage YouTube, for a video game, using video tutorials is far more helpful than text guidance.

Thanks to all for the helpful replies though.

 

[Ian Doncaster]

where is the information on how to use these stars to make the trips 10 mins?

As with many things, it should be in the Pilots Handbook in the Codex, but isn't - as there isn't a "travel" section and even "exploration" doesn't cover it.

You could perhaps deduce from playing around with the route plotter that there's such a thing as "jet cone boost" and what stars provide it, but you'd still be missing a little bit of crucial information on how to use it, and even if you were inclined to experiment to see what happened you could easily not discover it (if you didn't have a fuel scoop fitted).

It's possible that it's one of the spinning-ship tips? I don't remember seeing it if so but can't rule it out. Probably doesn't contain enough information in two sentences to tell you everything you need, though.

It'd be a good topic for an advanced tutorial - as there's a fair bit of technique involved beyond just knowing how it works on paper - but again, it isn't.



If you've found a video demonstrating jet cone boost / neutron boost on Youtube, then the technique hasn't changed since it was introduced, so you'll be fine with that. (It may or may not mention that you need a fuel scoop; the main users of it are explorers who'll always have one anyway; within the bubble that sometimes catches people out)

 

[Aashenfox]

Here's a youtube guide for this, that you don't need any salt for, covers everything including using Diaguandri as part of the loop.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQw4omgMIS0

 

[Q GT70]

I did get that and I answered that.

If you are going to take my texts apart like that to try and make it seem like I did not answer, try making your questions VERY specific, and precise
imo, there are always more than one way to answer any question
Vague or non-specific questions are going to have books attached.

The lemming bit is exactly what you did
he told you to die, so you did, that is what lemmings do, 1 jumps off the cliff, the rest all follow.
Like, I see, saw that as wtH? unbelievable, why? and what idiot told you to do that? is he paying for your time or your fuel?
Pure lemming behaviour is what I saw. not meaning to be insulting now, or then. just what I saw.
If I was trying to be a jerk or insulting to you, this amount of typing to give you some info would not be happening.
It would be far easier to let you suffer on your own. and unkind imo.
no one really want to make a lot of mistakes and it sucks when someone tells you that you are doing it wrong..
Each person has the right to do everything they way they want. and right or wrong is not always even a thing, but an opinion.


my point was there is no good reason to destruct inside the bubble to get to another place inside the bubble.
even if you are in sidey #1 and fsd is E....fly the ship.
at this stage of the game you have no idea the size of the area yet. BUT you flew there, why not fly back? did it take you days to get there?
is 5 minutes flight too much?

I played my main account without once ever looking for answers on google, the answers didn't exist in 2014.

Every and any thing relevant to the game that you need to know is in the game.

Almost every utuber uses the excuse that the info isn't in the game, so they go crazy to try and figure something out(usually info they get from another cmdr)
then they make a video. NOT EVER trying to prove or disprove that the info can be found ingame or where or how, ingame.

It called I Want AN INSTANT WIN BUTTON.

But the ONLY WIN in this game, is to play it if you like it.

Using others people right or more often wrong info to play a game is not playing the game.
And because the game has so liitle depth (according to them) they will never discover how wrong they were/are.

Follow Utube, you will likely get rich. but utube will never teach you how to actually learn the game the way the game was intended to be played.
As such they will miss most of the fun.

from what I have seen, most end up quitting after the burnout from the grind - ALL UTUBE.

There is no such thing as a win or an end game for ED.
so chasing goals made by cmdrs that didn't understand, gets the same result.

I know about blowing my ship up, and all I can say is why would you do that?
You die, you will lose any cartographic data you have, any bounties you have. and possibly some missions if you have any.
plus the cost of the rebuy, plus the mark in your file for using destruct and having to use the rebuy.
I cannot think of a reason to do that on purpose.
Especially when new and credits are important.

I know about 1 reason to do that. and I still did not do it.

I know about the neutrons and the white dwarf stars because I explored every system in the bubble and many thousands around the bubble
I have hit every star there is with a ship un-intentionally, it happens a lot until you learn how to prevent it.
This taught me I get fuel from some really dangerous stars, fuel that allows me to jump 4 times farther than normal.
Hundreds of cmdrs made posts on this as we discovered it.

I have died more times than I care to count and learned from it.

sooo much has changed over the years.
Many of our discoveries are shown to you at the login screen, this was not in game originally, but because it is now common knowledge, fdev pastes it on the menu screen for new cmdrs.

The Market is one that ticks me off, everyone complains, and now that complaint affects Legacy Horizons...YET the GAME has the information in it. Inara and eddb are not required to find this info
The depth of detail in the market extends deep into the BGS
and in that there are things to learn, things that cmdrs that played for years did not know, till they met me.
market items that are radioactive, poisonous, other detrimental effects, and the opposite ofc, this all leads to a part of the BGS that soooo many did not know about
thanks Utube, serious...this one gave me a huge edge over other BGS cmdrs that only followed other cmdrs info.
instead of testing things and learning from experience

eventually lists were made by those folks....lists for things that existed for years but only a couple of cmdrs were able to figure out.
and now people follow those lists..
I experiment on something EVERY day that I play, things change, a lot. not experimenting puts you behind cmdrs that do experiment.

AND INaRA and eddb are NOT the game or a part of the team, they are other cmdrs

I spell INaRA they way you see here because of what INRA stands for, it is BAD, they are BAD. you may eventually learn why. zero to do with Inara, they just choose a bad name imo
but that is not all, once you know what INRA is, then you will see the connection and then maybe why I do NOT use INaRA.

There are a lot of wars in the game, many many BGS wars, many cmdrs that want badly to kill other cmdrs..
SO, lets all join INaRA and paste our daily activities and strategies and all our wealth and ships into their database so you enemies can watch you ever closer.
Brilliant!
assume everyone is friendly.

If you play the game with as little as possible input from the worst source possible, you are far more likely to learn things others will not ever learn.
And by removing the 'heres how to win' from your world, you remove the ache cmdrs get when they see so many billionaires all around them, causing cmdrs to push to compete. to grind the grind that is NOT a grind but we make it a grind by focusing on it instead of actual game
grind for that carrier
soo many do this and have no idea what to do with a carrier. thinking it is an end game toy or a big money maker
it is not,
and a person that has no idea how to make tons of money with ease has no good reason to grind to get one, but competition makes it happen anyway.
I make billions every month without even trying
so I build ships as a hobby and a way to spend my billions. pretty sure I have the largest collection of ships in the game.
with 3 accounts - 3 carriers and over 300 ships in each account
my npc co-pilots have enough credits to have their own carriers, more than 1 if we could buy more than 1 per account.


You can't compete, you are 9 years behind me. you should not try to compete, there is no reason to. compete with yourself, challenge yourself

you can easily get more credits than I have, more everything than I have.
you will never have the info I have if you only follow, and follow the worst at that.

If the BGS ever interests you, you are going to see this same problem.
the only BGS info is in the forums, or on discords of other BGS players - many many secrets that many many cmdrs do NOT want to share.
Also a large amount of wrong and old info..sometimes on purpose.
Utube will cost you big for BGS, it is imo BGS for dummies that cannot do math or logic.

the game is about exploring.
exploring everything.
you can save some time, but it can also cost you.

years of cmdrs complaining about it being impossible to get bounties for anarchy factions so they can easily support one....
I told cmdrs how to do the impossible, and got flak from the few that did know how, but never shared. They seriously wanted it kept secret.

 

[Thatchinho]

Not sure I said it was - I was asking about how the redeployment logic worked


Doing research through a variety of methods as the in-game information and guidance is terrible isn't being a lemming, it's called trying stuff out and asking helpful people why it didn't work


This is kinda the point I am making - where is the information on how to use these stars to make the trips 10 mins? I found a video on YouTube, but tbh - they're all fairly old and now not even sure (based on reployment logic change experience highighted in this post) how they work won't have changed since that video... is researching the mechanics of this game really supposed to be so difficult?

And as much as people disparage YouTube, for a video game, using video tutorials is far more helpful than text guidance.

Thanks to all for the helpful replies though.

I thought I’d just explain what’s going on with the attitude to YT vids.

Long story short, more often than not they are not helping people get the most out of the game. Rather they direct people to grind and cheese their way and miss fundamental parts of the ED experience, and what the game is supposed to be.

Now that would be fine if the people were being told all the downsides up front and could make an informed decision.

What actually happens though, metaphorically, is that people order the full cheese board and then come along and complain that they’re lactose intolerant.

I could be wrong about this of course, so let me ask, did the YT vid you followed come with an explicit ‘contains cheese’ warning?

That doesn’t mean that you’re wrong that some stuff could be better explained in game of course!

 

[Alaska Sædelære]

There is an official series of video tutorials, link in here: https://community.elitedangerous.com/en/tutorial-videos

It may not be built into the game directly, because it makes no sense forcing everybody to download and store content they don't need permanently. But if some are saying nothing of that sort exists, that's just untrue. If it appears dated and important informations missing, then of course by all means draw attention to that. If the dev team is pressed for resources, how about a CG? Give a range of topics (possibly after a poll to find what is most important) and reward the best tutorial videos coming out of the competition, and add those to the official channel.

(Edit: I realize it's not a direct answer to OP's question, but in context of the discussion which ensued. If this should be a separate thread, please advise.)

 

[redstamp]

I thought I’d just explain what’s going on with the attitude to YT vids.

Long story short, more often than not they are not helping people get the most out of the game. Rather they direct people to grind and cheese their way and miss fundamental parts of the ED experience, and what the game is supposed to be.

Now that would be fine if the people were being told all the downsides up front and could make an informed decision.

What actually happens though, metaphorically, is that people order the full cheese board and then come along and complain that they’re lactose intolerant.

I could be wrong about this of course, so let me ask, did the YT vid you followed come with an explicit ‘contains cheese’ warning?

That doesn’t mean that you’re wrong that some stuff could be better explained in game of course!

Fair comment and agree - YT vids could / should say 'spoilers' and 'cheese', but I suppose that bit is buyer / watcher beware - which I am. Agree following instructions and committing hari-kari might have untold consequences (which I accept). I was really only asking if the redeploy logic had changed... no complaints at the result - but understand now why the lash of comments against this method of learning about the game... next time I'll avoid the line "I watched this YouTube vid" and just ask the pertinent question

 

[Q GT70]

sorry

never meant to be any kind of harsh
I despise the utube method of teaching, more because it is nothing more than a competition to see who thinks hes the smartest at playing a game
and nothing good comes from any of it except more dislike of the creators.

many were once NOT so Jaded and made useful videos
now there are so few. and they aren't trying to teach how to grind


but the actual results of using has changed somehow in Odyssey in that you can easily end up in a carrier or other station that you were never in at all or even recently.
IMO, it is just more incomplete code

you should always be teleported to last station you docked at, or past a certain distance(thanks to Colonia Hoppers) teleported to the Nearest landing pad.
pretty sure the equation is either incomplete, or just screwed. because it is not equal in every case that you see in the forums.

likely the fix got inserted in a rush because it was becoming a very popular way to travel 25k LY in seconds.....

shiny side up cmdr
04

 

[redstamp]

No probs - all sorted - understand the reactions - it's all just click-bait looking for ad revenue - and understand the logic now

 

[unrestsoul]

I've spent a lot of time in the game getting the material, my total gaming time is over 2500 hours, and I don't think a convenient way to save time is a moral mistake, you save your real time, not the invalid time in the game that you don't want to spend.
The old method of self-destruct and then teleporting is no longer viable, but you can still fly back in an acceptable amount of time.
Horizon data is actually the most accessible material, compared to the rest. But Odyssey data is much more difficult, especially for some of them, and fortunately there are now carrier deals that can provide some additional avenues.

 

[redstamp]

I've spent a lot of time in the game getting the material, my total gaming time is over 2500 hours, and I don't think a convenient way to save time is a moral mistake, you save your real time, not the invalid time in the game that you don't want to spend.
The old method of self-destruct and then teleporting is no longer viable, but you can still fly back in an acceptable amount of time.
Horizon data is actually the most accessible material, compared to the rest. But Odyssey data is much more difficult, especially for some of them, and fortunately there are now carrier deals that can provide some additional avenues.

Interesting point about Horizons - do you mean that data materials are easier to come by in Horizons? I play Odessey but I don't really know why - just 'cos it the newer one - but I won't do ground combat (if I wanted to play Call of Duty I would...) - so should I / can I be playing Horizons then?

 

[Ian Doncaster]

Interesting point about Horizons - do you mean that data materials are easier to come by in Horizons? I play Odessey but I don't really know why - just 'cos it the newer one - but I won't do ground combat (if I wanted to play Call of Duty I would...) - so should I / can I be playing Horizons then?

Materials used for the Horizons (i.e. ship) engineers are equally accessible in Odyssey and in Horizons.

Materials used for the Odyssey (foot) engineers are of course only available in Odyssey.