Refuel 10%

Long time ago.... Fuel cost for some big ships, was up to 150k per full tank.... It was about same cost as stock Viper. It maked Fuel Scoop module, a must have for anything bigger than Asp.
 
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Your 777 has just a *little* more endurance than my bird- our average mission length was 1.6 hours. You forget that you can never have too much fuel, according to the old maxim. We would tank, after takeoff, to a gross greater than max takeoff weight.

And your bird has two engines. I had only one, and once my generator failed. I was about 200 NM short of Stornoway, so, it was one of those experiences that the PvP type guys so treasure. Hottest approach I've ever flown.

Someday, you whippersnappers, with all your flight data and comms on the same physical net, and with only two engines, is going to follow the computer into the drink.

Oh. Wait. The Air France bird that went down off Brazil, because y'all forgot how to fly manually. Or the 777's with battery fires, Or, (insert maniacal told you so laughter)...


What are you on about mate?... AF330 FO was an ex glider pilot, am sure his manual skills where very good. Poor dude got confused when in pitch black and a machine in alternate law tells him conflicting information, not going to go deep into it here, but it's a pretty low blow to joke about something like that. Am pretty sure if he was around to speak today he would tell you he screwed up big time, very easy for someone to judge when they have more than 1m 30s and the comfort of there home to figure out the issue.

Let me be clear about something, 777 driver is a nickname for my father, a retired QR 777 Skipper, with experience on the F4/Jaguar and multiple commercial aircraft.

I am a 37 year old guy and a piper warrior/piper Archer pilot, no fancy computers on my machine ;) My expertise is the A320-214, mainly in Performance Data & CRM.

I haven't forget anything, sure you can tank up to MTOW, still 99% of the time it is not needed, you end up carrying and burning unnecessary amounts of fuel as weight, no skipper in his right mind would do that. That has nothing to do with the region you fly in, JAR & FAA OPS all agree, something you should know too.

All respect to you sir, but once again, please don't joke about AF447.. also battery fires was on the 787

Regards
 
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Rafe Zetter

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Your 777 has just a *little* more endurance than my bird- our average mission length was 1.6 hours. You forget that you can never have too much fuel, according to the old maxim. We would tank, after takeoff, to a gross greater than max takeoff weight.

And your bird has two engines. I had only one, and once my generator failed. I was about 200 NM short of Stornoway, so, it was one of those experiences that the PvP type guys so treasure. Hottest approach I've ever flown.

Someday, you whippersnappers, with all your flight data and comms on the same physical net, and with only two engines, is going to follow the computer into the drink.

Oh. Wait. The Air France bird that went down off Brazil, because y'all forgot how to fly manually. Or the 777's with battery fires, Or, (insert maniacal told you so laughter)...

mods plz delete, misclick
 
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It also allows you to carry less fuel in order to increase jump range.

What a great idea! Stupid me, I've been topping off because of that incident where I nearly ran out of fuel. I swore I'd never be in that position again. For my familiar trade routes, maybe I can knock off 1 or 2 hops. Thanks! +1 to you.

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Paying for fuel is so cheap now, it's better to ditch the scoop and carry the extra cargo :) At least on the big freighters

With my T6 and T7 and their big fuel tank, I never needed a scoop. With the tiny tank on my Vulture, I don't go anywhere without a scoop.

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If I'm in my vulture, I go even smaller with a class 1 tank. It's all you need for a combat ship unless you're regularly travelling between systems. The tiny tank sure cuts down on mass though so that bird turns even faster.
100% refill FTW.

Really? You noticed an actual turn rate improvement in the Vulture by switching to a smaller tank?
 
What are you on about mate?... AF330 FO was an ex glider pilot, am sure his manual skills where very good. Poor dude got confused when in pitch black and a machine in alternate law tells him conflicting information, not going to go deep into it here, but it's a pretty low blow to joke about something like that. Am pretty sure if he was around to speak today he would tell you he screwed up big time, very easy for someone to judge when they have more than 1m 30s and the comfort of there home to figure out the issue.

Let me be clear about something, 777 driver is a nickname for my father, a retired QR 777 Skipper, with experience on the F4/Jaguar and multiple commercial aircraft.

I am a 37 year old guy and a piper warrior/piper Archer pilot, no fancy computers on my machine ;) My expertise is the A320-214, mainly in Performance Data & CRM.

I haven't forget anything, sure you can tank up to MTOW, still 99% of the time it is not needed, you end up carrying and burning unnecessary amounts of fuel as weight, no skipper in his right mind would do that. That has nothing to do with the region you fly in, JAR & FAA OPS all agree, something you should know too.

All respect to you sir, but once again, please don't joke about AF447.. also battery fires was on the 787

Regards

My apologies. Just a cranky old man here.
 
The fuel tanks don't weigh anything anyway, so the 10% option is valid. I've deliberately scooped only about 1/2 a tank before to get me to another KBGFOAM star without two jumps, but literally once in hundreds of scoops and jumps.

One thing I didn't realise until I'd done it was just how fast scooping is. I mean an 3A scoop can gather 4T of fuel in about 20 seconds.
 
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