Religion in the ED universe? How has it evolved?

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So, we are now 1000+ years in the future, and humanity has learned a lot more about the state of the universe. Irrefutable facts that cannot be denied by the religious, expect perhaps for some holdouts, like modern day flat-earthers. Mankind has found various forms of life on many worlds, and at least one advanced civilization in the form of the Thargoids.

This naturally would cause some rumblings in the religions up to the time of the ED setting.

AFAIK, there is nothing in canon lore about this (someone correct me if i'm wrong) except for some vague references from Frontier regarding religious colonies.

What do you think might have happened?

My personal view:

Some religions would have adapted/merged, similar to how the church had survived in Peter F. Hamilton's books, with the main Christian religions coming together to form a Universal Church. Long gone would be the belief that god made the universe with just Earth in mind. I could see two major splinter groups here. One side that believes that they must go out to meet other races and bring to them the word of god, thus creating new waves of missionary/explorers, who go out to preach the word of the christian god to alien races (could be tricky trying to do that with the Thargoids of course), the other side looking for proofs in the religions of other races or alien artifacts that god has appeared to other races to spread the word.

Some religions would have continued more or less as they are, the most likely candidate for this would be the Jews, and this is portrayed is a number of Sci-Fi stories. The Hyperion books show this a bit, and also shows how the Catholic church might have survived and evolved in such a universe. Keeping to their core beliefs with no significant changes except saying that their god is bigger/better than they even originally understood.

Islam could have a hard time. They are highly bound to their tradition of the Haj and praying towards Mecca several times a day. Travel for everyone could be a problem for those who were to emigrate to distant planets (remember, we Commanders are the Elite, a rare breed who actually own private spaceships). Knowing the right direction to pray could be a nightmare without some sort of galactic compass indicating the exact direction of Sol/Earth for the believers. Also their beliefs tend to be anti-technology and a seemingly strong desire (at least the more fundamental ones) to live a simple life. This is not very compatible with high technology. My suspicion here would be that many groups of Muslims would look to make Earth their stronghold, and keep expanding their influence there.

Bhuddism could have an interesting split. Those who beleive reincarnation can occur between different species from different planets (eg: Babylon 5 - Humans and Mimbari sharing the same pool of souls) and those who believe that to leave their connection from Earth might risk losing their soul to another soul pool, never to be able to be reincarnated as a human again.

Some religions, such as the Mormons and Scientology might find more fertile ground with the new understanding of the cosmos. Both have at their core science fiction elements, the former stating that god and his children come from a far away planet, and the latter, well, Xenu, evil overlord from another planet. They might well send missionaries out into space looking for the planets that are meant to be the source of their religions.

However, as we see today, the old religions seem to be in decline, but many people still need to fill a void within themselves answering the old questions "Why am i here?" "What is my purpose?", and this can lead to increased spiritualism. Imagine the long distance Explorer, out there, thousands of LY from Earth, no other human contact for a long time. They will start asking some very deep questions of themselves. Hell, the whole of UC might be full of philosophers, spiritualists, and madmen! :D

From this one could imagine a wide range new of religions and philosophies arising. People coming back from the core and saying they have heard the voice of god! Or that they have had some awesome insight into the nature of life, the universe, and everything. Such people could gain countless followers by preaching their newfound knowledge/insights.

I would expect there to be remote colonies set up, each catering to a specific religion, only welcoming those who share their beliefs, trying to create paradise in their new home, free to the "sins" and "influences" of the old world. A new Eden if you will.

I can understand why FD might have shied away from having too much content like this in game. Too great a chance of some person or group taking offence at such content. You only have to look at things like how D&D was demonized (pun intended) by certain christian groups back in the 70s and 80s, or other more recent violent incidents based on cartoon drawings have made the news. Last thing FD want's is an extremist person or group getting over-excited about their game.

However, it doesn't stop us having some lore based theories about what might be a thousand years or so from now.
 
Wow, you really know how to start a ball rolling, it isn't just rolling, you booted it, didn't you?

I like the idea of the religious colonies, anything that adds a little bit more "life" to the game gets a thumbs up from me.

We have already got people demanding the removal/rename of the Isis system, what would happen if religion was introduced/part of Elite?

I bet the fire from the flames would burn brighter than the hottest star?

I'm looking forward to reading the reactions to this.
 
How do Mormon's have Science Fiction Elements in their religion? Can I have something from their Scriptures please not a random website please?
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How is believing in a supreme being generally NOT Sci Fi???
 
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We have monotheism in Empire space: All Hail His Greatness
Polytheism in Independance and Alliance space, and in federation space they worship Capitalism.
All the major religions would have survived, as they have all learned to adapt.
Probably some new religions system based.
Interesting discussion.
 
there are some religious factions in game, cant remember the name of the one I saw the other day, I was doing missions for the Van Maanens star permit
 
We have unscrupulous corporations, pirate factions, drug mafia, I don't see any reason not to have religious factions that own a system or a station. For me though, I'd prefer them to steer away from the stereotype Sol ones we have today. A colony 500ly from Sol would evolve its own versions or even have a faith completely different because it developed in isolation. Nice idea OP, may prove too contentious but it has merit if done correctly. We have missions asking to deliver leaflets to neighbouring systems already....spread the faith the same way is one option for this.
 
Hot topic indeed. My personal view is based on simple reason. As more and more of the questions about the universe are answered by science then the 'God of the gaps' will become less and less of a reasonable explanation and will eventually just fade away. Something new, I agree, will spring up because there will always be some people who need to have something 'bigger than me' to trust, blame, seek comfort from. What forms these will take are difficult to hypothesise because our thinking as to what constitutes a 'religion' is still muddied by all those we have been brought up with. But, for the future, the old religions that relied on ignorance and fear to work... nope, gone for good and good riddance.
 
From Frontier: First Encounters I remember van Maanens Extraction Colony, run by religious fundamentalists who believe in the power of hard labour without the use of extensive equipment, basically mining the old fashioned way with a pickaxe in a poorly lit tunnel. They always had small quantities of precious metals and gems for sale, but boy, did they have a blackmarket demand for luxuries, narcotics, you name it! :D
 
I would add one to the list.

After the Thargoids made their existence known, some sort of religious grouping towards that would happen.
And after some time they could converge into a more formalized and structured religion.

How that new "church" would stack up against other religions would be interesting - so far the argument "my book is older than your book" seems to work, so the Thargoidians would be challenged.

And yeah, keeping religion out of the game is 110% a design decision, with good reason.

Still, I'd hope to see Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster at least hold an outpost :)
 
Several times when I was doing (rep gain) missions for the Empire, some holy do-gooder popped up and offered me an alternative mission ending.

He promised salvation and rewards in the afterlife....etc....etc.

Its the only evidence of in-game religion that I've encountered so far.

For the record - I hate that guy, and always kill him.
 
With any luck they'd have abolished religion as nothing more than a primitive superstition; a set of beliefs created to explain an existence we didn't understand.
I'd think it would be easy to reconcile with a deity whilst stuck on Earth; but the moment you have access to space and it's vastness, you'll begin to understand how utterly small and insignificant of a species we are; how unimportant and fleeting our civilisation is when placed alongside the longevity of a star, how we are not the centre of the galaxy, we are not the ultimate creation of an ultimate creator, there is nothing special about us and that we are nothing more than a by-product of the life-cycle of a galaxy.
 
I am not going to predict what might happen to religions in the far future, but in general I believe superstitions will never go away.

As far as the game is concerned I believe strong religious powers and their machinations would add a cool and interesting layer to the game.
I would like to see systems in control of tyrannical religious powers, but also more benign forms of religion.

If I remember correctly Dan Simmons depicted a Buddhist planet in the Hyperion Cantos, on which the population lived exclusively on high mountains because the lower regions were filled with a yellow poisonous gas. I would love to land on such a planet and bring them goods.
And the conniving religious sects in the Dune Saga were superb. Everybody who read those books remembers the powerful Bene Gesserit.
Also Jack Vance created a lot of great stories with numerous idiotic dogmatic religious sects in them.
I love that stuff. It would be cool to have that in this universe.
 
In my view, it's fantasy, not scifi.

Personally I would like to believe that humanity has overcome religion in the future.
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I wasn't attempting to belittle religion at all just that the idea of a supreme being creating humanity is by it's definition Humanity meeting extraterrestrial(s). For example in Hebrew the word EL which is their word for god it literally means Great one. This would apply to many of the all powerful aliens in most Sci Fi franchises.
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I always personally had a positive experience from religion, and always ignore the Daily mail type Negative stereotypes shared in most news outlets and on Sci Fi shows
 
I'd love to see agricultural colonies ruled by environmentalists who live a strictly vegan lifestyle, with animal meat being illegal (but still smuggled in on black market routes of course), as well as leather, synthetic meat and everything that contradicts a lifestyle dedicated to the care about the environment.

They could be run by the "Church of Gaia" and you could get allied to them by giving donations, attacking smugglers, providing land enrichment systems and the like....
 
a set of beliefs created to explain an existence we didn't understand.

...which has become (by certain groups) a refusal to accept scientific certainties. Evolution being the prime example.

The "god of the gaps" is the phrase used to describe the bits that science doesn't yet understand being attributed to god. However, even when science DOES understand a process, some people will still refuse to accept those provable, demonstrable facts as reality.

You know....crazy people.
 
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AFAIK, there is nothing in canon lore about this (someone correct me if i'm wrong) except for some vague references from Frontier regarding religious colonies.
Honestly, who gives a hoot? It's clear there still is religion in the Elite universe, and that should suffice. In my opinion, it's better to keep anything related to that as vague as possible, so that no one can feel superior or insulted due to the way his or her favourite religion is depicted in the game.
 
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