Remove mouse steering

[Red Anders]

And why is it the most used control method on PC? Because it's deadly accurate and invalidates any other control method.

Stop making things up.

The reason it is the most used control method on the PC is because every PC has a bloody mouse!

That remains a fact regardless of whether it also provides accuracy advantages for pvp-focused players.

This is a blatant troll thread because nobody could actually be daft (or entitled) enough to seriously advocate removing the most popular control method for a game on the basis that a sub-section of players who use it may be more effective at one aspect of the game than some other players who could use the same method but choose not to.

Let's be honest - you post 'discussion points' like this pretty frequently. Some of them are genuinely worthy of debate. Some are not. Some seem to have been posted entirely for your own amusement. This falls into the last category.

 

[amadeus1171]

LOL it's the most used because it's simple, portable and useful for more than just games.

Controllers are portable yes but the sticks get smashed just as easily as HOTAS when travelling as much as I do... I know form experience.

As for skill v control method. I'm not a bad pilot. Yet I get my butt handed to me by HOTAS pilots who ARE good on a regular basis.

Pilot skill, ship setup and game mechanic knowledge beats control method every day of the week.

You really are getting grumpy cos someone who flies KB+M has beaten you isn't it? Are you a 'hardcore' competitive gamer? If not then you are probably getting trumped by people who are. If not then TBH it's probably an issue of skill and knowledge lacking in some area.

Watch the personal attack.

It's not about me personally. In PvP sometimes I get the bear and sometimes the bear gets me.

This post is about even footing for all CMDR's.

Stop making things up.

The reason it is the most used control method on the PC is because every PC has a bloody mouse!

That remains a fact regardless of whether it also provides accuracy advantages for pvp-focused players.

This is a blatant troll thread because nobody could actually be daft (or entitled) enough to seriously advocate removing the most popular control method for a game on the basis that a sub-section of players who use it may be more effective at one aspect of the game than some other players who could use the same method but choose not to.

Let's be honest - you post 'discussion points' like this pretty frequently. Some of them are genuinely worthy of debate. Some are not. Some seem to have been posted entirely for your own amusement. This falls into the last category.

Those weren't my words. I summarized.

 

[amadeus1171]

Stop making things up.

The reason it is the most used control method on the PC is because every PC has a bloody mouse!

That remains a fact regardless of whether it also provides accuracy advantages for pvp-focused players.

This is a blatant troll thread because nobody could actually be daft (or entitled) enough to seriously advocate removing the most popular control method for a game on the basis that a sub-section of players who use it may be more effective at one aspect of the game than some other players who could use the same method but choose not to.

Let's be honest - you post 'discussion points' like this pretty frequently. Some of them are genuinely worthy of debate. Some are not. Some seem to have been posted entirely for your own amusement. This falls into the last category.

And just because you don't agree with the premise of the thread doesn't make it a troll thread.

 

[Lestat]

And just because you don't agree with the premise of the thread doesn't make it a troll thread.

Question do you have proof a mouse is better than a joystick?

 

[Morbad]

I do not think the mouse should be removed as a control option. If anything I would like better keyboard/digital controls, so that currently binary inputs could be ramped up relative to time held, with adjustable speed of return.

Yeah, I can FA off aim a bit easier with relative mouse, but with mouse and keyboard I loose a lot of control in other areas, especially with regards to thrusters vs. my HOTAS setup (which has ten analog axes spread between both hands and feet).

This post is about even footing for all CMDR's.

No such thing.

The best that can be done is to have a game that minimizes the downsides of whatever physical controls a player chooses to use. Removing control options doesn't facilitate that at all, it simply makes good controls more niche than they have to be.

 

[Stealthie]

Keys and pointing device will be much easier to handle in a high g environment v HOTAS any day.

Of course.

It's utterly baffling no military contractor on the planet has realised the glaring advantages that such a system might offer for use in fighter planes in the last 50 years.
Or, just for laughs, try using a laptop while sitting in the passenger seat of a car that somebody's driving along a twisty, bumpy, road.

TBH, I don't really care if people gain some advantage by using KB&M.
We can all do it if we want to.
Personally, I prefer the richer experience that a decent joystick offers me.

 

[Red Anders]

Those weren't my words. I summarized.

I quoted your post, which said that the reason the mouse is the most popular control choice on PC is that it's deadly accurate and invalidates other control options. Look, here it is:

So yes, they were your words unless someone posted on your account whilst you were on the toilet or something. If you meant something else, perhaps you should have typed that instead rather than expecting me to use my waning psychic abilities to deduce that when you said the reason the mouse is the most popular choice was due to accuracy, you actually meant the reason the mouse is the most popular choice isn't due to accuracy.

And just because you don't agree with the premise of the thread doesn't make it a troll thread.

This is true. The fact it's a troll thread makes it a troll thread.

 

[Madrax573]

Watch the personal attack.

It's not about me personally. In PvP sometimes I get the bear and sometimes the bear gets me.

This post is about even footing for all CMDR's.

Not a personal attack at all. Just an observation around an old phrase "A bad workman always blames his tools" kinda thing.

Of course.

It's utterly baffling no military contractor on the planet has realised the glaring advantages that such a system might offer for use in fighter planes in the last 50 years.
Or, just for laughs, try using a laptop while sitting in the passenger seat of a car that somebody's driving along a twisty, bumpy, road.

TBH, I don't really care if people gain some advantage by using KB&M.
We can all do it if we want to.
Personally, I prefer the richer experience that a decent joystick offers me.

I so would use a HOTAS setup if it was viable for me.....

 

[krylite]

Disagree. I've used mouse + keyboard only for years and the entirety of my time on ED, and on a laptop. For rolling I use the tilting wheel function on my Logitech G502 mouse. I'm also not a murder-hobo griefer. I also only discovered the relative mouse feature last month and don't feel it's any real advantage. If it needs to be fixed, I'd prefer FD just nix it from the options, or make relative mouse more aligned with regular thruster behavior or adjusted however needed to nerf any perceived advantage.
Mouse + kb has also been part of the ED franchise since FE2. There are also plenty of pc or laptop users using only mouse+kb not wanting to wear out direction or control customized set keys on their laptops or optional keyboard covers used. (i've gone through three already on my particular laptop over the past years)

 

[mossfoot]

Eh, to each their own, but I will say I can sympathize with the sentiment because PvP exists. For those who enjoy using a HOTAS for the immersion, it does feel like they're put at a disadvantage. I mean, imagine playing a boxing simulator in VR where one person is physically moving and punching vs a player who is using a mouse to aim and right/left clicking to punch. It doesn't feel like a level playing field.

However, I do know PvP players who say that the advantage given isn't all that great, depending on your joystick sensitivity and how much you practice. Sure you might have more accuracy, but a HOTAS player has more fine tune control of their six degrees of motion. So maybe it just is a matter of "git gud"

For PvE, though, it's not even an issue.

 

[amadeus1171]

Question do you have proof a mouse is better than a joystick?

Who here thinks a mouse is a better control method than a joystick?

 

[nanite2000]

No, it’s OK. I don’t want have to buy a HOTAS *in addition* to the game I bought.

I’ll just keep using my keyboard and mouse, thanks.

 

[amadeus1171]

I quoted your post, which said that the reason the mouse is the most popular control choice on PC is that it's deadly accurate and invalidates other control options. Look, here it is:



So yes, they were your words unless someone posted on your account whilst you were on the toilet or something. If you meant something else, perhaps you should have typed that instead rather than expecting me to use my waning psychic abilities to deduce that when you said the reason the mouse is the most popular choice was due to accuracy, you actually meant the reason the mouse is the most popular choice isn't due to accuracy.



This is true. The fact it's a troll thread makes it a troll thread.

Well, you are entirely entitled to your opinion.

 

[Cmdr Esteban]

Anyway, you can call me "Betty."

Okay Betty!

And Betty, when you call me, you can call me "AL".



Ahem. Sorry about that. Carry on chaps.

 

[Morbad]

For those who enjoy using a HOTAS for the immersion

I mostly use it to give myself an advantage. It's not always an advantage in all situations, but most of the time it is.

Who here thinks a mouse is a better control method than a joystick?

I think a good mouse has a better combination of speed and precision than most joysticks.

 

[CMDR Karrde Sun]

While my heart says yes, taking away options or features is never the high ground so can't agree. Look at apple products for how this fails.

I remember as a teen sitting next to my friend while he was playing wing commander and scoffing at it feeling superior. Tie fighter didnt even let you load into the game without a joystick connected. There i instantly dismissed mouse controls for spaceships as lame. And it is dammit. Ps. tie fighter gameplay still holds up as excellent today.

 

[theogilli]

I’m not buying a stick just so you can satisfy your immurshun wet dream.

You have to realize that so many people use kbam, its probably the most popular controller method. Just because you cant handle some silly greefurs doesnt mean you can blame it on the controller method. Git Gud.

 

[Kerrash]

OP: KB/M is convenient as I can't use my HOTAS right now. Not only that, but it is the lowest barrier of entry device.
You might as well be making a PC/Console argument for Mouse/Joypad; it is a pointless debate.

 

[TheMegaTurnip]

I agree as much as no flying vehicle is flown with a M+K.

But is it that much of an advantage? No.

Or at least it should'nt be if you have any idea of thruster firing patterns.

In fact I'd say it's a disadvantage, where the advantage lies is in the voice control and macro'd pip setups, aside from that, a good pilot with a HOTAS should win imo.


Look up Isinona and Archon Fury. Both use a joystick, good luck killing either of them with you M+K.

 

[Sunleader]

Let's face it. Only gankers and murder hobos use this because they can keep their recticle on the target with little difficulty.

And whoever heard of piloting a spaceship with a mouse?! Come on! That's just silly.

Use a joystick, controller, HOTAS, or keyboard. The mouse should only be for pointing.

Agree/Disagree?

Discuss

You could just Rename the Topic to "Remove 80% of the Playerbase Please"
Because Tons of Players dont use and many dont even have a JS or Pad. And they would Instantly Quit this Game if Mouse Control would be Removed.

I never Ganked or Murdered another Player. But I am Mouse User. And I HATE using Joysticks or Gamepads. I am PC Player so I use a Mouse.
As for Piloting. I am Flying a Anaconda. Honestly Said I should not even be Piloting at all but be giving Commands given that its a Damn Corvette.

In Reality. Spaceships are not that unlikely to be Controlled by a Mouse by the way.
Because the Future moves towards more and more Computer Assistance in Controls of Vehicles. And ever less Personal Control.
This is even more True for Spaceships that have to work very Accurately and constantly Readjust due to different Gravity Influences.

So a Mouse is actually not very unlikely to happen here.
It might not be a Loose Mouse like we use on a Desk but more of an Fixed Mouse on a Pad.
But a Stick was a Lever to Pull Ailerons etc. In terms of Accuracy and other things its just not very Accurate.
And as Future Spaceships due to the Range Involved will be working more with Computer Screens than with a Window to Look out of.
A Stick might not be that Likely for Future Spaceships.