Remove RNG from Mining

[e3ge08]

I’ve done about 3 hours of new mining over the last day or so and have come away with 30mil in credits after going for only deep core extraction so I don’t really have anything to really complain about.
It’s a bit of a hunt as the pulse wave scanner is a bit iffy to find the right rocks but that just makes it a challenge to me. I don’t want everything to be easy as my goal in the game is not to gain a massive amount of credits. It’s getting proficient at flying a ship and having fun.

 

[Ozram]

My friends and I last night just kept using the pulse wave and prospecting the orange rocks until "Core" was shown and fissures came up.
We got 10 million in no time at all, I was in an Anaconda with 1 friend using standard mining turrets to gather the normal stuff and my other friends was in the SLF on guard.

What slowed us down in the end was when we just decided to mine everything in front of us.
As much fun as it was, all the junk we mined was worthless.

So it's pulse & prospect, pulse & prospect, pulse & prospect until you find one with "Core" (in my case was "Core: Opal").
Blow it up and get the limpets working. 10 Mil / Hr is easy doing that.

Thanks. I look forward to giving it a shot. First I want to fit my Cobra4 for the job.

 

[Deleted member 115407]

Thanks. I look forward to giving it a shot. First I want to fit my Cobra4 for the job.

Have fun, man. Not only does it pay well, but it's a good time IMO.

 

[Deleted member 115407]

i played the mining game
-outfitting the python : checked
-getting a pristine unhabited system : checked
-mapping rings and giant gas : checked
-going down in a "cold temp diamond hotspot" (cold hotspot. ah. ah. ah.) : checked
-spending 50 prospectors to find ONE asteroid with cracks : checked
-blowing it up, getting enough to make 4 diamonds units : checked
-trying to get the last surface diamonds for 10 minutes before giving up : checked
-trying to get the diamond container floating in front of me but impossible to grab : checked
-giving up on diamonds : checked
-going to another ressource hotpost : checked
-getting attacked with all that juicy cargo (4 units of diamonds aka 400k) by NPC : checked
-trying to fire back "you cannot shoot in this cockpit" : checked
-boosting and running away like a coward from a cobra mkIII : checked
-heading back to base, throwing the diamonds in the face of the market, putting the mining equipment to the trashcan : checked
-prepping a ship for a 6 months in the dark exploration trip : todo

thanks a lot, and see you in next update.

edit : and yes, i did aim at the most yellowish ones.

While everyone else and their mother is successfully gem mining away... you should definitely just give up and shut down the game for a whole season without actually trying to learn how to mine effectively.

 

[Deleted member 115407]

well enlighten me, what did i do wrong ?
lack of patience, yes. definitely. 1 good asteroid in over an hour and a half is not giving any kind of satisfaction on the time spent. sure, if i kept going, i bet i d have found lots of good ones in the next hour, but i had to get my kids at school and cook lunch.

see the problem is i cannot spend hours on a single task. exploring though allows quick 30min game in game out time, and most of the time, brings a nice sight seeing over a weird planet i wouldnt expect to be there at that time.

SO

what did i do wrong ? spammed the pulse, checked the most yellow rocks, found nothing in 96% of them.

i obviously missed something, care to tell me what ?

Rocks that look like this...

 

[777Driver]

^All there is to it, only 1 shape of asteroid for each ring type. Has to glow bright with dark red and black spots.

 

[Ozram]

Finding this thread very informative. Reps given. Keep it coming. By the time I get my Cobra4 together I want to hit the ground running. Appropriate build styles and tips welcomed!

 

[Jankules]

Minning should be consider as sport not as proffesion...let say as sport fishing...Im enjoing the fishing itself not the reward from it.I never sell for profit afterwards,im jettsoning the cargo...that saves me time to a station and back...

 

[Underhook]

There are so many "elite dangerous" players on this forum. The OP is obviously frustrated because he had extremely bad luck. Give him a break instead of attacking him. The problem with RNG. Some people will go out on their 1st try and make a quadrillion bucks, say mining is awesome and then proceed to say the OP has no skill. Another player like the OP can do the exact same thing (same skill) and find nothing. SO, maybe whilst not removing the RNG totally, they could tweek it a bit.
I had my 1st fissure mining try yesterday. 2 hours and I found one fissure rock. I thought, Oh, they must have nerfed mining already LOL. I went out just now and found 2 within 10 mins. Unfortunately as the countdown started for my 2nd one I got the "cant connect to server" Noooo
Anyway, I have decided to stop playing for a week or so, hopefully they can fix some of the disconnect bugs by then

 

[Underhook]

^All there is to it, only 1 shape of asteroid for each ring type. Has to glow bright with dark red and black spots.

The only reason he has not learnt the shape is because he cant find any due to RNG. Its hard to remember the shape of something you have never seen He just had bad luck, which I believe was the point of his post.

 

[Mohrgan]

Remove RNG from life!

 

[Tarman]

There are so many "elite dangerous" players on this forum. The OP is obviously frustrated because he had extremely bad luck. Give him a break instead of attacking him. The problem with RNG. Some people will go out on their 1st try and make a quadrillion bucks, say mining is awesome and then proceed to say the OP has no skill. Another player like the OP can do the exact same thing (same skill) and find nothing. SO, maybe whilst not removing the RNG totally, they could tweek it a bit.
I had my 1st fissure mining try yesterday. 2 hours and I found one fissure rock. I thought, Oh, they must have nerfed mining already LOL. I went out just now and found 2 within 10 mins. Unfortunately as the countdown started for my 2nd one I got the "cant connect to server" Noooo
Anyway, I have decided to stop playing for a week or so, hopefully they can fix some of the disconnect bugs by then

OP has complained about practically everything in the entire game for literally years, so they're not always an even-keeled source of criticism; I honestly don't know why they waste their time with Elite if they've had this much personal frustration and disappointment for this long. Their comment about the mechanics being fun in of themselves threw me for a loop.

 

[777Driver]

The only reason he has not learnt the shape is because he cant find any due to RNG. Its hard to remember the shape of something you have never seen He just had bad luck, which I believe was the point of his post.

No, the reason is because he flew past them without knowing what to look for. Or yeah, the successful miners are just constantly lucky, yeah that's what it is, I just constantly make my own luck..

 

[DustyArne]

Just saying.. nothing wrong with mining.

Don't blame the game.. Here's proof..

This was 4 hours work.. (including traveling. )

 

[DustyArne]

nice price with a galactic average at 91.000

Know where to look..

Bubble prices are ok(ish) but out in the black..... eh....

Don't be shy to travel, a lot..

 

[Deadlock-3000]

DSS: Eliminate the menu based mini game. Let us fire probes direct from the cockpit and let the probes handle mapping. Maybe we dont get the efficiency bonus this way, but its much quicker and less fiddly and does not take us away from flying our ship.

Rock scanning: Let the scanner tell us what is in each rock. Remove prospector limpets entirely. If I can scan the rocks, the prospector is just redundant. Let the scanner show composition of rocks within a certain a distance...say, roughly the range of the prospector limpet.

Hotspots should guarantee valuable takes. Right now, they are meaningless and finding and scanning them down is a waste of time, since they do not guarantee anything of value.

Fractures and blowing up rocks needs to be a LOT more common. In fact, I would say this is just how medium and large rocks should work. Period. Its far more rewarding game play than watching lasers and limpets while sitting idle. This would mean that medium and large rocks, should be more valuable since they would all take more time to break apart and mine.

Agreed. The new mining is an utter shambles. It plays like it's two different games glued together, because that's exactly what it is. The proliferation of modules and fire groups and modes and keybinds is just tedious. In it's current state, I'm done it with less than a week after release. All of the suggestions here make total sense to me.

 

[Underhook]

No, the reason is because he flew past them without knowing what to look for. Or yeah, the successful miners are just constantly lucky, yeah that's what it is, I just constantly make my own luck..

I didnt explain myself well in this post. Some people get bad RNG on their 1st try, whilst others get fantastic RNG on their 1st try. So, they both get on the forum and cant understand what the other person is talking about because they both had completely different experiences that had nothing to do with skill. So, the RNG could use a tweak.

 

[Rob_the_Sparky]

For fans of the old system: I thought I'd try a combined approach at a panite hotspot. Returned with 189 Panite out of 256 total having dumped nothing. Got one deep core asteroid but spent a lot of time finding Panite in every other asteroid I scanned so the bulk of that came from surface mining in about 1.5 hours. I took normal surface mining kit plus DSS, PWS, Seismic charges and an abrasion blaster on my T10. Not bad at all having not mapped anything (I never bothered as I prefer it that way). My conclusion being that you can combine the old and the new and get reasonable returns.

 

[PuffyEichhorst]

Yesterday i turned into the belts of the discovered systems and compared to the rings there were only a handfull of asteroids and one was always deepcore with [i forget the name, but jt was 200.000 cr/t] inside. So while i am on exploring i prefer farming the belt and not the rings anymore.
With the rings i had a similar experience like the OP, many times there was only crap in the highlighted asteroids, then i tried asteroids beside the hightlighted and some had loads of valueable materials.

 

[777Driver]

Do you mean you had better outcome with the blue asteroids ??

Also to reply to previous posts, point taken on the "black areas" on the asteroids. But i m pretty sure i didnt see any, that looks so "weird" that out of curiosity i would have tried to blast them.

Q : how far can you get from the "hotspot POI" without losing "content quality" ? 5km ? 10 ? 20 ?

Well my last trip netted me 80 million over a few hours, was in an Ice ring 17,000km from the HOTSPOT marker. Most of these hotspot areas are gigantic, covering light seconds.