Repeat the same Guardian unlock 18 times? Really?

Or, alternative, you could stop pretending you are somehow appointed to be the Ultimate Judge of what other people should do in a computer game, and instead discuss the criticism brought forward. :rolleyes:

I am not. And I don't want to be either. Its calles giving advise. And I have discussed it at great length already in this very thread, and given example of how I would like it enhanced. Oh but people just conveniently ignore that.
 
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Pro-Tip: Don't feed the Trolls, especially trolls wearing white painted armor. Even-morso for trolls who don't actually play the game, just post about playing the game.

So now you think I don't play the game. The pathetic posts get to a knew high. I am laughing in your face.

Truely sad. And I am no the one being a troll or a white knight as I agree with the complaints about the God awful mechanic and I am not happy about other aspects of the game.

Maybe look in the mirror when you start calling someone a troll if you have to lie about them.
 
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He's laughing in your face, Sleutelbos. Wotcha gonna do 'bout it? Huh? HUH?!

I am not laughing at sleutelboss. Why would you think that?

All you have done is prove me right that people do not read posts properly before replying.

Thanks for the confirmation. :)
 
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While we are at it, get rid of the whole 'scanning USS" mechanic, as it is just slowing down and waiting. Heck, FD should spend a day making a list of every mechanic in the game, and underline each and every one of them that is just 'waiting' or 'hoping RNG blesses you'. Then either change them or, if that is not possible for some reason, flat-out remove them. If I am going to fly 10k LS, USS may actually be a sane part of my game if I would just get notified of the presence and type of USS. While we are at it, reduce the quanity of garbage USS and increase the range. So I sometimes get a message saying "awesome USS found, but you need to plot a detour and it could be dangerous. Your call cmdr."

You know, like every sensible sci-fi on earth does it. It sure beats our current system, which is basically:

Ship: "Cmdr, USS detected!"
Cmdr:"Ugh, you keep saying that every twenty seconds, and its boring crap 99% of time. Just shut up already."

The latter, while innovative, is not very much fun.

like this. Give the ship a good voice actress and I might even find it interesting.
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And someone fix this stupid forum already with the line breaking every friggen time.
 
Thanks for the entertainment. ;)

You Have your moments too. What really gets on my wick though is the lies people have to say to try to win an argument.

Not that I was particularly disagreeing with the general feeling of the mechanic. I just don't like the way some go about it.
 
You Have your moments too. What really gets on my wick though is the lies people have to say to try to win an argument.

Not that I was particularly disagreeing with the general feeling of the mechanic. I just don't like the way some go about it.

You're a funny one Max, truly. this habit of claiming non-existent high-ground, when employing a contradiction of ethics is pure entertainment and it has to be mentioned...very similar to the way FD go about implementing nonsense. Might explain why you two get on so well. For example:

Then people should stop doing it and then complain about it afterwards.

The irony in that post of yours, truly deserves some kind of irony medal. Which would be ironic.

And also funny, if it weren't so indicative of the modern age, and how people believe if you say something often enough, it becomes truth.

It's the Tony Blair school of debating, and the Ivory Tower method of controlling the customer experience. While it is still true people will fall for this stuff when they feel it suits them to do so, the majority now know that it is better in the long term to call this stuff out whatever the implication to their own personal agenda. Lest they become caught up in a progression which fails to ultimately deliver. I'd wager quite a few of the regulars on these boards wish they had subscribed to this ethos four years ago, instead of going along with what has been proven to be crocodile tears and paper thin promises.

Do your self a favour.

Switch tack.
 
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You're a funny one Max, truly. this habit of claiming non-existent high-ground, when employing a contradiction of ethics is pure entertainment and it has to be mentioned...very similar to the way FD go about implementing nonsense. Might explain why you two get on so well. For example:



The irony in that post of yours, truly deserves some kind of irony medal. Which would be ironic.

I fail to see the irony. I haven't lied about anything. And what has that got to do with whether I like the mechanic or Not?
 
A lot of us did raise the issues during the beta, loudly, over and over and over again. We begged and pleaded with Sandro to not put the new grade grind into place because it only served to undo the positives which the rest of the (very good) engineering changes did. He didn’t agree, and now we have a new engineering system which is both better yet more time consuming at the same time.

With the Guardian stuff though we didn’t get to test it as thoroughly during the beta, we had no idea just how grindy it was going to be. The final product does fit in with Sandro’s design philosophy though, which is time consuming grind walls.

Believe me though, we tried very hard. We even did time studies and created spreadsheets and flow charts, we were just met with resistance or silence at every turn.

I’d love to see this design philosophy of grindwalls change at Frontier, but I fear that after all this time it just isn’t going to happen. Frontier has their preferred way of implementing content, and contrary to what they say in public it is very often NOT to respect how valuable the player’s time is. Just look at the new wing missions, they could have easily been balanced to be attractive for both solo and wing players, but Frontier didn’t want that, they only created them for one subset of players, not everyone. Much of Frontier’s content is created with a narrow vision like this instead of taking the whole game into consideration, and it’s why Elite feels like so many separate features bolted beside each other. There isn’t a grand vision, just a lot of individual unconnected things fastened to the same core.

The only unified vision in Elite is that it needs to feel grindy and waste a lot of the players time. Scanning objects could be faster, transferring ships could take less time, Power Play could be less of a second job, Engineering could be less of a grind, Tech Broker unlocks could be SOOOOO much more reasonable, synthesis could not have been changed to make you sit and watch a progress bar for half a minute first. There are just so many time wasting aspects to the game that literally half or more of everyone’s total playtime is spent waiting for something to happen, NOT actually playing the game.

I just wish it wasn’t so. I’d rather the game be engaging and fun than passive and frustrating. I’d love to be so included while playing the game that I didn’t need NetFlix to make it bearable. That’s my greatest wish for the Q4 Exploration changes: that it makes exploration so engaging and fun and engrossing that I’ll no longer need NetFlix to tolerate it. Note that this does NOT mean grindy and time consuming!!!!!!

I couldn't have said it better.
 

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Then people should stop doing it and then complain about it afterwards.

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that's all i have left to give, apologies everyone.
 
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Rafe Zetter

Banned
Then people should stop doing it and then complain about it afterwards.

Or, alternative, you could stop pretending you are somehow appointed to be the Ultimate Judge of what other people should do in a computer game, and instead discuss the criticism brought forward. :rolleyes:

I'm handing the Baton over to Sleutelbos, coz I've given all I can and Max is still blaming the players for what's going on.
 
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Rafe Zetter

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Because, you should stop doing it and complaining about it afterwards.




Anyone....?




....Anyone?





......Bueller?

I've got a spare *headdesk* if you want it Genus - I make 'em specially for such occasions (I make furniture).

I'll even give you a discount for the bueller reference :)
 
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